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I am ashamed I didn't vote for Buchanan when I had the chance. I did in the primary. I never voted for a Bush in the primaries. Voted for Alan Keyes before it was cool to do that kind of thing. Always wondered why all the apologists and wokes didn’t get behind Alan. Not.
“When Tyranny becomes Law, Rebellion becomes Duty”
Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version) "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
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We never ended our half of the Cold War. We’re the evil empire now. We have gone around the world destroying countries to bring peace and democracy we say. Reality is we bring death , destruction , and oligarchic crony capitalism/fascism. Our overthrow of the pro Russian Ukrainian government started this war in 2014. Now we’re going to dump a bunch of weapons into the Ukraine in an attempt to create another failed insurgent state to drain the Russians. We care absolutely nothing about millions of every day Ukrainians who will suffer and die. To most Ukrainians it makes no difference if it’s a Western corrupt crony capitalist/fascist government or a Russian one.
‘TO LEARN WHO RULES OVER YOU, SIMPLY FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE’
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You are the carbon they want to eliminate !
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Buchanan is a very intelligent person for sure. But on this, he is wrong.
Even if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, that does not portend a massive NATO/EU offensive against Russia. Nope, Europe has no interest in conquering russian territory. Europe wants stable borders & no military activity. It is in Europe's economic/political/energy interest for russia to be a trading partner (in anything other than energy, where Putin would use that as a cudgel).
Ukraine being allowed to enter NATO would be the biggest strategic defeat for Russia in its entire history. They'd lose access to their warm water ports. You people are swallowing the propaganda from the same folks who lied to you about the 2020 election, COVID-19, the mRNA "vaccines," the inflation rate and its causes, and on and on and on. You will never learn. You are constantly being lied to. Figure out what our government and the MSM want you to believe, and you can assume pretty near the opposite is correct.
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We never ended our half of the Cold War. We’re the evil empire now. We have gone around the world destroying countries to bring peace and democracy we say. Reality is we bring death , destruction , and oligarchic crony capitalism/fascism. Our overthrow of the pro Russian Ukrainian government started this war in 2014. Now we’re going to dump a bunch of weapons into the Ukraine in an attempt to create another failed insurgent state to drain the Russians. We care absolutely nothing about millions of every day Ukrainians who will suffer and die. To most Ukrainians it makes no difference if it’s a Western corrupt crony capitalist/fascist government or a Russian one. This.
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Buchanan is a very intelligent person for sure. But on this, he is wrong.
Even if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, that does not portend a massive NATO/EU offensive against Russia. Nope, Europe has no interest in conquering russian territory. Europe wants stable borders & no military activity. It is in Europe's economic/political/energy interest for russia to be a trading partner (in anything other than energy, where Putin would use that as a cudgel).
Ukraine being allowed to enter NATO would be the biggest strategic defeat for Russia in its entire history. They'd lose access to their warm water ports. You people are swallowing the propaganda from the same folks who lied to you about the 2020 election, COVID-19, the mRNA "vaccines," the inflation rate and its causes, and on and on and on. You will never learn. You are constantly being lied to. Figure out what our government and the MSM want you to believe, and you can assume pretty near the opposite is correct. The official narrative is always a lie. Whatever the truth is it’s never the one being pitched in the New York Times or on CNN/FOX
‘TO LEARN WHO RULES OVER YOU, SIMPLY FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE’
Conspiracy theorists are the ones who see it all coming…
You are the carbon they want to eliminate !
I’m Uber Deplorable Ultra MAGA !
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We never ended our half of the Cold War. We’re the evil empire now. We have gone around the world destroying countries to bring peace and democracy we say. Reality is we bring death , destruction , and oligarchic crony capitalism/fascism. Our overthrow of the pro Russian Ukrainian government started this war in 2014. Now we’re going to dump a bunch of weapons into the Ukraine in an attempt to create another failed insurgent state to drain the Russians. We care absolutely nothing about millions of every day Ukrainians who will suffer and die. To most Ukrainians it makes no difference if it’s a Western corrupt crony capitalist/fascist government or a Russian one. ^^^^This is about as clear a synopsis as you will ever find^^^^
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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Buchanan is a very intelligent person for sure. But on this, he is wrong.
Even if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, that does not portend a massive NATO/EU offensive against Russia. Nope, Europe has no interest in conquering russian territory. Europe wants stable borders & no military activity. It is in Europe's economic/political/energy interest for russia to be a trading partner (in anything other than energy, where Putin would use that as a cudgel).
You people are swallowing the propaganda from the same folks who lied to you about the 2020 election, COVID-19, the mRNA "vaccines," the inflation rate and its causes, and on and on and on. You will never learn. You are constantly being lied to. Figure out what our government and the MSM want you to believe, and you can assume pretty near the opposite is correct. It's like déjà vu all over again.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
"Play Cinnamon Girl you Sonuvabitch!"
Biden didn't win the election.
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What a pathetic joke Pat has become. In his “think piece” he questions why the former Warsaw Pact countries and former Soviet republics would want to join NATO and the EU. Then implies that Russia offers no ill will or bad intentions towards them. This is imbecilic at best and an outright lie in truth. The Russians have been very aggressive @ using their intelligence assets in these areas to stir up the ethnic Russian populations to create incidents and provocations. The FSB and others Russian groups activities in Poland aren’t very hard to see. Nor are the interference in Romania and its relationship with Moldavia very hard to see. This doesn’t even get into the perceived economic benefits most of these countries see from closer ties to the west.
Hey I can understand America First, and wanting to get out of international affairs. But you don’t need to outright lie to make a very strong case for doing so. The ineptitude of the CIA , and it’s congenital twin the DoS, over the last 30 years has been horrible for our country and its reputation.
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Voted for Alan Keyes before it was cool to do that kind of thing. Always wondered why all the apologists and wokes didn’t get behind Alan.. Proof that it is never really about race. Keyes ran against Obama for Illinois Senator seat. The half white Obama was pitched as the "African-American".
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Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
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Pat Buchanan has been right about allot of things many times but has it made us any better off? All the talk has not helped and will not help. We've done what we were warned not to do by Dwight Eisenhower in that the military complex is control of this nation in ways it shouldn't be. I firmly believe that's one reason so many of the high ranking brass hated him so much. He cut their lucrative pensions short and didn't let them tell him what to do. How many dollars do you all think the Bush family has received because of their willingness to send our military everywhere in the world? The only two in my lifetime that go down that road were Reagan and Trump. There were some covert things done by them but we weren't the police force of the world.
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We never ended our half of the Cold War. We’re the evil empire now. We have gone around the world destroying countries to bring peace and democracy we say. Reality is we bring death , destruction , and oligarchic crony capitalism/fascism. Our overthrow of the pro Russian Ukrainian government started this war in 2014. Now we’re going to dump a bunch of weapons into the Ukraine in an attempt to create another failed insurgent state to drain the Russians. We care absolutely nothing about millions of every day Ukrainians who will suffer and die. To most Ukrainians it makes no difference if it’s a Western corrupt crony capitalist/fascist government or a Russian one. This. Can't argue against that.
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The idea that Nazism will resurrect and become a threat to Russia through Ukraine is bullshit. It is Putin' scaring his populace. Same as his use of the "The Great Patriotic" war to gin up emotions. I'm not saying Putin does not have security concerns. He does, but it ain't from Nazism. LOL
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if, by "we," buchanan means a demented, liberal president and his naive, socialist handlers weakened the US in the eyes of corrupt dictators, then he is correct. otherwise ...
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“ Well I told the Ukrainian President if you don’t Fire that Prosecutor We’ll be canceling your Foreign Aid Package.. “ “ I’m leaving in 6 Hours .. By God you know what he Did .. He Fired Him” Press Core: Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
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Buchanan is a very intelligent person for sure. But on this, he is wrong.
Even if Ukraine was admitted into NATO, that does not portend a massive NATO/EU offensive against Russia. Nope, Europe has no interest in conquering russian territory. Europe wants stable borders & no military activity. It is in Europe's economic/political/energy interest for russia to be a trading partner (in anything other than energy, where Putin would use that as a cudgel).
Ukraine's NATO membership was a ruse. Putin attacked Crimea in 2014 to regain a critical sea port to the free world (also why the commies took Poland and the Baltic States), and suffered no negative consequences. Lesson learned. Keep doing more until the political and economic repercussions become unbearable.
China is watching. Closely. The US has been hellbent on isolating Russia and leveling all of the sanctions it can against Russia while encouraging Europe and China to do the same no matter what Russia does.
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We never ended our half of the Cold War. We’re the evil empire now. We have gone around the world destroying countries to bring peace and democracy we say. Reality is we bring death , destruction , and oligarchic crony capitalism/fascism. Our overthrow of the pro Russian Ukrainian government started this war in 2014. Now we’re going to dump a bunch of weapons into the Ukraine in an attempt to create another failed insurgent state to drain the Russians. We care absolutely nothing about millions of every day Ukrainians who will suffer and die. To most Ukrainians it makes no difference if it’s a Western corrupt crony capitalist/fascist government or a Russian one. Very well said.
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