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Would that be twenty rounds? Fifty? A one hundred round afternoon of plinking fun?
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Would that be twenty rounds? Fifty? A one hundred round afternoon of plinking fun? 50-100 rounds..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I wish I had Bore Tech cleaners back when I shot 100 rounds using H335.
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I wish I had Bore Tech cleaners back when I shot 100 rounds using H335. I agree with you. Its a lot dirtier than newer powders like AR Comp. BLC2 powder is also a dirty one, as I didn't notice much difference between it and H335.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I won't use H 335 whatsoever, but I am definitely "Good to Go" with BLC2.... never an issue with it, and it turns in great accurate results.. That and W748 are my Ball powder "Go To" powders...
so much so, even tho I've tried TAC and CFE 223 and a host of other ball powders... I just keep on circling back to BLC2 and W 748....
never let me down... Just curious as to why you don't like H335. I have found it to be a great powder for the 223. The Flash it gives for starters... I've used a standard load of 25 grains of H 335, and a 55 grain SP bullet.... that blew up TWICE in a Ruger 223.... not my handloads, but factory loads... one by Remington, and then later by Black Hills.. 8 weeks a part. both times enough to destroy the wooden stock on it...second time, screwing up the bolt that needed repair. with ALL the other powders that work well in a 223, why bother with it?
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Used several jugs of H335 to make MG food for self and others. But never tried to duplicate M193. The charge was 24 gr behind 55 gr fmjs. Always. So not to worry about lot variation.
Zero issues. Ran everything, including 249s.
But that's the only use I have for the stuff. Many better choices, if slightly less economical or not as reliably metering.
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I won't use H 335 whatsoever, but I am definitely "Good to Go" with BLC2.... never an issue with it, and it turns in great accurate results.. That and W748 are my Ball powder "Go To" powders...
so much so, even tho I've tried TAC and CFE 223 and a host of other ball powders... I just keep on circling back to BLC2 and W 748....
never let me down... Just curious as to why you don't like H335. I have found it to be a great powder for the 223. 335 is a great powder in 223, except it’s prone to extreme pressure spikes in hot weather. Sometimes it goes boom instead of bang. I use it once in awhile but never over 80 degrees. I've never had it go boom, but on a 105 degree day, in a 22-250 I had it weld a case to the bolt.
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I won't use H 335 whatsoever, but I am definitely "Good to Go" with BLC2.... never an issue with it, and it turns in great accurate results.. That and W748 are my Ball powder "Go To" powders...
so much so, even tho I've tried TAC and CFE 223 and a host of other ball powders... I just keep on circling back to BLC2 and W 748....
never let me down... Just curious as to why you don't like H335. I have found it to be a great powder for the 223. 335 is a great powder in 223, except it’s prone to extreme pressure spikes in hot weather. Sometimes it goes boom instead of bang. I use it once in awhile but never over 80 degrees. I I've never had it go boom, but on a 105 degree day, in a 22-250 I had it weld a case to the bolt. Interesting back quite a number of years I was messing with 335 in a 22.250 No.1 it was around 90-95 degrees one shot spiked 200 fps and I couldn’t extract the case. Had to take it home and wrap it in cold packs for a couple hours. It finally let me extract the case. If you can’t operate a No.1 action then that is really stuck. Weren’t No boom but close enough.
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I'm down to my last 8 lb jug of WC846 (out of 4) and have used it for several different cases. Most of it has been with 223s. Have used 26 grs with both 55 and 50 gr bullets for years. Nice accuracy and adequate velocity with no pressure issues, and both loads shot to the same POI. Recently, a friend gifted me with an 8lb jug of Data Powder 2200. I loaded a few 50s and 55s with the max charges shown on the original data sheets that Accurate put out for the powder back in the 90s. They surprisingly shot to the same point of impact as the WC846 loads in my L46 Sako. Just for slaps and giggles, I shot one of each of the 4 loads as a group before leaving my range. There were no diamonds left without holes, so I used a corner of the big diamond as the aiming point. The result is shown below. This group was actually smaller than the individual groups...go figure:
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Were you guys weighing charges, or just dropping them from your powder measures? Its because of this that I dont trust h335 in hot weather. Thanks
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I'm down to my last 8 lb jug of WC846 (out of 4) and have used it for several different cases. Most of it has been with 223s. Have used 26 grs with both 55 and 50 gr bullets for years. Nice accuracy and adequate velocity with no pressure issues, and both loads shot to the same POI. Recently, a friend gifted me with an 8lb jug of Data Powder 2200. I loaded a few 50s and 55s with the max charges shown on the original data sheets that Accurate put out for the powder back in the 90s. They surprisingly shot to the same point of impact as the WC846 loads in my L46 Sako. Just for slaps and giggles, I shot one of each of the 4 loads as a group before leaving my range. There were no diamonds left without holes, so I used a corner of the big diamond as the aiming point. The result is shown below. This group was actually smaller than the individual groups...go figure: Hard to beat that. Unless you use 3 different rifles and same load and it does that. You have a good rifle there, that isn't finicky. One of my cheapest rifles (Steven's 200) is like that.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Were you guys weighing charges, or just dropping them from your powder measures? Its because of this that I dont trust h335 in hot weather. Thanks Guess its how you look at weighing. My procedure Set measure .01 grains under max if and when I got to that point as all measures and most scales are +- .01 Drop and weigh 5 , drop 4 weigh #10, drop 9 weigh 10 and so on for the number I am loading. Baffles are used. Ohh, believe it or not on a 95+ degree day at a match I had a max load of benchmark start giving stiff bolt, hard extraction in 223. Therefore I don’t use max loads of any powder(except Vargay cuz it slooooow) on hot days. Kinda like playing Russian Roulette. Win some but.
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I've shot a lot of BL-C2 in my 223's. I like the way it meters and its accurate enough to suit me. 5 shots will consistently group into 9/16's to 5/8's. But a safe load here in Arkansas will flatten primers in the Texas Panhandle in the Spring and Summer.
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Were you guys weighing charges, or just dropping them from your powder measures? Its because of this that I dont trust h335 in hot weather. Thanks Guess its how you look at weighing. My procedure Set measure .01 grains under max if and when I got to that point as all measures and most scales are +- .01 Drop and weigh 5 , drop 4 weigh #10, drop 9 weigh 10 and so on for the number I am loading. Baffles are used. Ohh, believe it or not on a 95+ degree day at a match I had a max load of benchmark start giving stiff bolt, hard extraction in 223. Therefore I don’t use max loads of any powder(except Vargay cuz it slooooow) on hot days. Kinda like playing Russian Roulette. Win some but. Thanks swifty. That is good advice. I was wondering because I just drop from my uniflow. That sob drops such accurate charges that I just go with it. Fast and easy that way. The one I use is old and I don't use baffles. I know others always suggest using them, so they sure can't hurt. As long as it works right? I know mathman doesn't concern himself with even .02-.03 gr differences in weight. Maybe that was just for his 308w loads, 223 may be a different story?
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I've shot a lot of BL-C2 in my 223's. I like the way it meters and its accurate enough to suit me. 5 shots will consistently group into 9/16's to 5/8's. But a safe load here in Arkansas will flatten primers in the Texas Panhandle in the Spring and Summer. That's where real temp stable powders come into play and are highly appreciated. The op is getting some great info.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Under the right conditions even so called temp stable powders can give pressure spikes. Benchmark is one of those as I stated earlier. MD has said many times that they are stable only when used in their designed application, different cartridge or bullet can change that. I really don’t chose a powder just because it’s supposed temp stable. Now as far as baffles, my reasoning is if you have ever watched the effects of a small outlet hole on things such as grain bins, coal hoppers or lots of other granulated products in a bin or hopper, they usually have knockers, vibrators, baffles or a combination to stop ratholing, clumping or bridging. By using the baffle it allows for a stable level and weight on the powder feed. This helps in getting consistent drop charges. Now it’s not really super beneficial with ball powders, but still if you have consistent level and weight it will make drop variations minimal. They really do shine with flake and coarser powders especially in the Uniflow for the same reasons. A quick test is fill your hopper then drop 25-30 charges back into the jug, weigh #1 then #30 if ratholing or bridging is going on the charge weights will start getting lighter. Then finger snap the hopper a couple of times the first charge will be heavier, while the second should be back to nuts on, or at least it’s always has for me. Baffles when properly set cures 99% of that. For those who like to tinker or a baffle isn’t available for your hopper go here, I made my own for an 80’s vintage Hornady measure. https://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=26566&d=1288932878
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Who makes the best powder measure?
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Who makes the best powder measure? Lee Dippers do....IMHO. fancier the gizmo, the more room for something to go wrong.
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I use 26gr BLC-2 on most bullet and rifle combinations. I like using the uni-flow.
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Who makes the best powder measure? Lee Dippers do....IMHO. I very seldom blow a snot bubble but you got me with that one..........you cant be serious I will stay with my Harrell's and on occasion use a uniflow
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