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For some reason, the devil seems to win.
More bad kids from good homes than the opposite.

How often do you ever see a bad kid running with a good one,
And the bad kid turns good?
Just don't happen that way.

Twice you quoted me with apparently not a clue what was said.

So who’s the unnamed female, and were they snorting coke off her ass? I might have fallen for that kind of peer pressure.

I knew a fair number of kids who were raised in a very, very strict household...often a very religious household (Mormons, mainly). Once they were on their own, and finally could be a bit wild as a kid is often meant to be, they went a bit too wild. Several got alcohol poisoning and a few died. They were just kids being kids. I always stayed out of the hard-core drugs but was friends with many, many from "perfect" households who did not.

I had a wild streak myself and had parents that allowed it---to an extent---which got it out of my system early. I was the kid sneaking beer into JR High and drinking it between classes. By the time I was 21 I was often a DD, by choice. I truly believe having a somewhat undisciplined childhood is a good thing, for a lot of personality types at least.

Everyone on here knows what a brave anti government warrior you are.
Returning shopping carts at Walmart parking lot is rife with risks. lol

Every been out of the county you were born in rural Idaho? Guessing not

OK - do I want our West Point grads and Army officers to be as you state: "Sticking that needle into the veins on their arms. By Christmas of 1970, Phil was dead of a heroin overdose. Greg survived for some years, but he was still ruined from his years as a warrior in the Marines."

When it comes to leadership, high standards and self-discipline matter a lot. Fools and weak-willed druggies destroy their own careers - even with fentanyl on spring break - and since taxpayes are footing the bill for their "leadership" training, end the charade now.

On the counterpoint side, one of my cousins and his best friend both signed up for the Marines right out of high school, mid 1960’s, wanting to go to Vietnam. This was the NY suburbs but you’d call these guys Rednecks - hunting, guns, drinking. Their idea of a prank in high school was putting on white hoods and driving through a Black neighborhood.

As infantry both saw combat in Vietnam, came home, married and went on to lead productive lives. The best friend married my cousin’s sister so we’re still in touch. My cousin years later became more troubled by the memories, still is, nary a hint of drug use around either one though.

Both had a son who later enlisted the Military; in the Air Force, they did everything they could to keep their sons from opting for a direct combat MOS.

As for those Cadets, if they had gotten drunk and unintentionally killed someone with a vehicle, their Military careers would be over. As it was they mostly hurt themselves but still the same kind of deal; a stupid mistake with life-changing consequences.

You can bet there will be hell to pay when the cadets get back to West Point after the break. The Point is not going to let this learning experience pass without something being said. I'm betting all of the academies will be using this as a training point.

kwg

Must be an Army thing. When we started getting serious about getting rid of drugs in the Navy (after the 1981 NIMITZ flight deck accident) we were pretty aggressive with drug testing across the board. As a LT, I was in charge of that program in my first squadron and we put A LOT of dopers out. This was circa 1982-85. By the late 80s, positives had all but disappeared. We did have a small resurgence with newer drugs in in the early 2000s, but by the time I retired in 08, again drug use was negligible . These cadets should be dismissed with at least an OTH discharge.

I think your timing is about right. I remember late '81 as the first checks for drugs, with absolutely nothing before then. We were transitting from Portsmouth NSY to Charleston and had to divert into New London so we could stand on the pier while they ran dogs through the boat. Piss tests began shortly thereafter. I may be wrong but that's how I remember it.

Agree with your timeline. When the program first got underway thanks to President Reagan, you used to get one chance. Fortunately this went away quickly and one strike and you're rightfully OUT with an OTH. fugg em'

Strangely, still not identified. If they were white, they'd have already been vilified.

Times have changed. You should hear the stories of my buddy in NCIS. The Navy, like the army, is a huge clown show now. No discipline. Standards have been lowered so severely that all our armed forces have been compromised. Thank Godd the standards went so low that beta clowns like 700H still get can't accepted lol

I see it every day. In order for females to survive, the first thing that went was discipline, followed by lower standards all across the board and the nail in the coffin was legalizing f aggotry and of course, the Flag/General Officers in place today are all obama era promotes...

When they ended don't ask dont tell ,agreed was the last nail in the coffin I tell anyone interested in the military now, just join the air force guard or reserves and get the education bennies.

It's comical when someone who spends his day with a computer mouse in one hand and a glass of whiskey in the other hand offers "expert" opinions concerning parents not having any control over what their kids do in life. It sounds like a built in excuse planted before the same incorrect behavior happens under his own roof.

"Hey, it ain't my fault. I raised 'em right. It's the blah, blah...(pick your favorite choice to blame others)."

Recruitment commercials,created to appeal to homos and trannies,are designed to recruit sick individuals who will destroy the military's ability to actually defend this nation.

One could reasonably argue this is the ultimate objective of Commie infiltrators such as Mark Milley and Lloyd Austin.

The cadet, who was caught displaying his hat which proclaimed that "Communism will win",is perhaps one of thousands who have been trained by Commie professors,who've embedded themselves into our educational system.


Perhaps this explains these weak minded individuals who engaged in this drug abuse incident.These cadets may not be the best and brightest but instead the people chosen for their willingness to embrace un-American/Commie ideals.

Just the shaggy haircut that soy boy is wearing would have gotten me some seroius disciplinary action in college ROTC back in the 1960's. Spouting communist propaganda would have resulted in a full fledged blanket party!

That SOB was given the boot, BTW

Was he forced to pay back for his tax payer funded education? I am guessing no