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Originally Posted by 338Rules
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I’m seriously contemplating upgrading my 338’06 to something with more frontal area to crush these Rogues more effectively.


338, I was with my little brother at the end of the rifle season. He loved the 375 and just wanted me to shoot something with it. I typically won’t shoot the little guys but we donated the little fella to an old hunter who wanted it. It was a win win. My brother got to see the 375 in action and a fella got to fill hill chest freezer.

I shot him with the 250 TTSX at 2950. I know there are a billion bullets for the 375 but in my mind there isn’t many that are going to do everything as well as that one does. Shoots real well at distance and it opened up fine on the buck and I’d think it might be okay if I were to hunt bigger things as well.


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Originally Posted by Lou_270
Maybe one interesting thing some manufacturer could do is get a saami approved 270 AI with fast twist to take advantage of heavier bullets coming out for the 270. Since apparently it is too confusing for them to just fast twist a regular old 270 or 270 wsm. Kind of ride on the 280 AI, high bc, plus new military round trend


This has the 6.8 Western's throat and rifling twist, coupled to a std. .270 Win case.

Allowing to seat either longer/heavier bullets, or 150 gr. bullets further out w/ an ~ 4.6% powder capacity increase.

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That’s pretty cool Garandimal.

What are you building it upon?


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Originally Posted by Garandimal
Originally Posted by Lou_270
Maybe one interesting thing some manufacturer could do is get a saami approved 270 AI with fast twist to take advantage of heavier bullets coming out for the 270. Since apparently it is too confusing for them to just fast twist a regular old 270 or 270 wsm. Kind of ride on the 280 AI, high bc, plus new military round trend


This has the 6.8 Western's throat and rifling twist, coupled to a std. .270 Win case.

Allowing to seat either longer/heavier bullets, or 150 gr. bullets further out w/ an ~ 4.6% powder capacity increase.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]





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Very interesting hybrid design.

I think I’d be inclined to “improving” to a 30 degree, .460” shoulder , just to differentiate from standard 270/130 loads
But, 3.6” Overall might be a giveaway

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Fooled around with a .375 Weatherby some years ago, built by Dave Gentry--which is very similar to the .375 H&H AI.

Most of the "extra" velocity (once again) comes from higher pressure, not the relatively small amount of extra powder room. And it also comes at the "price" of extra recoil--when hundreds of thousands of hunters over more than 100 years have found the .375 H&H quite adequate.

I am not against new cartridges, and in fact have become quite fond of many, including the 6.5 PRC. But if I want to step up from .375 H&H performance would go to a larger caliber, say a .416 with 400-grain bullets.


I agree with MD on this, it’s hard (if possible) to be better than the standard H&H. My pre-64 looks like somewhere between 95 to 98%. I bought it for $1,319 shipped If someone wouldn’t have ‘perfected’ the chamber the rifle would have easily sold for twice the money.
My pre-64’s at the time all had levers, so this was an easy decision for me. I wanted a 375 H&H and I wanted a pre-64. I had to be satisfied with the AI due to the thickness of my billfold issues. I’m loading some 375 H&H cases now seeing what accuracy I can get. It’s finally warming up,

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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Fooled around with a .375 Weatherby some years ago, built by Dave Gentry--which is very similar to the .375 H&H AI.

Most of the "extra" velocity (once again) comes from higher pressure, not the relatively small amount of extra powder room. And it also comes at the "price" of extra recoil--when hundreds of thousands of hunters over more than 100 years have found the .375 H&H quite adequate.

I am not against new cartridges, and in fact have become quite fond of many, including the 6.5 PRC. But if I want to step up from .375 H&H performance would go to a larger caliber, say a .416 with 400-grain bullets.


I agree with MD on this, it’s hard (if possible) to be better than the standard H&H. My pre-64 looks like somewhere between 95 to 98%. I bought it for $1,319 shipped If someone wouldn’t have ‘perfected’ the chamber the rifle would have easily sold for twice the money.
My pre-64’s at the time all had levers, so this was an easy decision for me. I wanted a 375 H&H and I wanted a pre-64. I had to be satisfied with the AI due to the thickness of my billfold issues. I’m loading some 375 H&H cases now seeing what accuracy I can get. It’s finally warming up,


Try 75 grains of IMR4350 with 300 Sierras.

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They chrono 2450. I could hunt happily with that combo, at least for goofing around.


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Originally Posted by beretzs
That’s pretty cool Garandimal.

What are you building it upon?

Have a M700 BDL .270 I'm toyin' w/ re-Bbl'n.

Somethin' like this:

[Linked Image from modernfirearms.net]


Sent the design to PacNor, but then got busy and put it on a back burner.

Figure it as an honest 600 yd.(1500 ft-lb) rifle w/ 150-165 gr. ABLR.




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Originally Posted by 338Rules
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Originally Posted by Lou_270
Maybe one interesting thing some manufacturer could do is get a saami approved 270 AI with fast twist to take advantage of heavier bullets coming out for the 270. Since apparently it is too confusing for them to just fast twist a regular old 270 or 270 wsm. Kind of ride on the 280 AI, high bc, plus new military round trend


This has the 6.8 Western's throat and rifling twist, coupled to a std. .270 Win case.

Allowing to seat either longer/heavier bullets, or 150 gr. bullets further out w/ an ~ 4.6% powder capacity increase.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]





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Very interesting hybrid design.

I think I’d be inclined to “improving” to a 30 degree, .460” shoulder , just to differentiate from standard 270/130 loads

But, 3.6” Overall might be a giveaway


GR - plenty of magazine space in the 700 for those .270 LAWGR 3.6” rounds.
Trouble with the Short Actions is it’s always about squeezing OAL into the magazine and shortening the case / neck to fit .


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beretz,

The primary load I used for years in my first .375 H&H, a semi-customized Mark X Whitworth with a 22" barrel, were the 300-grain Partition and 80-81 grains of IM4350. In today's manuals this is a BIG overload, but back when I started using the rifle it wasn't. (Dunno whether this was due to varying throat lengths in .375's--which I found could definitely happen after fooling with several over the next three decades. But there it is.)

Anyway, it got right around 2550 fps from the "short" barrel, and not just with Partitions but other brands of 300s, including Sierra GameKings, and Swift A-Frames and their more recent Break-Away Solids. On the other hand, a Ruger No. 1 Tropical I also hunted with for several years, got about the same velocity with 75.0 H4350 and a similar variety of bullets.

None of those loads showed the slightest "pressure signs," even at 90+ degrees in Africa.


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Originally Posted by 338Rules
Originally Posted by 338Rules
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Originally Posted by Lou_270
Maybe one interesting thing some manufacturer could do is get a saami approved 270 AI with fast twist to take advantage of heavier bullets coming out for the 270. Since apparently it is too confusing for them to just fast twist a regular old 270 or 270 wsm. Kind of ride on the 280 AI, high bc, plus new military round trend


This has the 6.8 Western's throat and rifling twist, coupled to a std. .270 Win case.

Allowing to seat either longer/heavier bullets, or 150 gr. bullets further out w/ an ~ 4.6% powder capacity increase.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]





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Very interesting hybrid design.

I think I’d be inclined to “improving” to a 30 degree, .460” shoulder , just to differentiate from standard 270/130 loads

But, 3.6” Overall might be a giveaway


GR - plenty of magazine space in the 700 for those .270 LAWGR 3.6” rounds.
Trouble with the Short Actions is it’s always about squeezing OAL into the magazine and shortening the case / neck to fit .

Yep.

Would really make the ole .270 Win a shiny new cartridge.

'Bout the only reason I'd fool w/ it at all.




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Originally Posted by 338Rules
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Originally Posted by Lou_270
Maybe one interesting thing some manufacturer could do is get a saami approved 270 AI with fast twist to take advantage of heavier bullets coming out for the 270. Since apparently it is too confusing for them to just fast twist a regular old 270 or 270 wsm. Kind of ride on the 280 AI, high bc, plus new military round trend


This has the 6.8 Western's throat and rifling twist, coupled to a std. .270 Win case.

Allowing to seat either longer/heavier bullets, or 150 gr. bullets further out w/ an ~ 4.6% powder capacity increase.

[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]





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Very interesting hybrid design.

I think I’d be inclined to “improving” to a 30 degree, .460” shoulder , just to differentiate from standard 270/130 loads
But, 3.6” Overall might be a giveaway

See it as a heavy-for-caliber/long range hunting rig.

The COAL/ M700 magazine/6.8 Western throat allow 150 gr bullets to be seated at 130 gr. depths, at the bottom of the neck.

Think about 140 gr. TSX at ~ 3100 fps, and 150-165 ABLR at ~ 3000 and 2900 fps respectively.


24" 40-X Rem Varmint contour Bbl.

Maybe a 9-1/2 lb. rifle.



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Originally Posted by Rolly
Since the 280 AI has become so popular I couldn't help but wonder why a 270 AI wouldn't also become popular if promoted by the gun press and manufacturers ? I understand that we don't really need a 270AI but then again one could argue that we didn't really need the 280 AI either and yet it has become wldely used and available.


we have 270ai ,browning and winchester call it the 6,8 western

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Originally Posted by Rolly
Since the 280 AI has become so popular I couldn't help but wonder why a 270 AI wouldn't also become popular if promoted by the gun press and manufacturers ? I understand that we don't really need a 270AI but then again one could argue that we didn't really need the 280 AI either and yet it has become wldely used and available.


we have 270ai ,browning and winchester call it the 6,8 western

A decidedly well thought out heavy-for-caliber, long range .277 cartridge.

Starting from scratch, it would be very tempting.

... especially w/ a quality dialing scope.




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