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Another thing about the .25 Souper was that it first appeared in the early 1950's when 7.62 Ordnance brass first became available. At around the same time Warren Page was also necking down 7.62 brass to .243 bore size and he was heavily promoting that bore size over the .257 bore size. He actually wrote an article on the .25 Souper but soon after started to denigrate the .257 Roberts and .25 Souper so as to promote his creation, the predecessor to the .243 Winchester. He was unable to realistically claim that his 7.62 necked to .243 was better than the 7.62 necked to .25, so he also created a 6mm from the 7 x 57 case to beat the .25 Souper. He called this the Souper Pooper, implying that this new round sh*ted on the .25 Souper. Add to all this the fact that the .257 Roberts main supporter was editor of another magazine, but he died in 1948. His name was Ned Roberts. So then there was no one actively promoting the .257 bore but Warren Page was actively promoting the .243 bore. So the .25 Souper got off to a bad start because of unfair publicity. Interesting. There is always a reason for some cartridges to succeed and others to fail. 257 and 277 never caught on with the NATO case and I always thought it strange. The magnum craze might have had something to do with it as well. Why bother with another runt when you could have a brand new belted beauty?!
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I've built some 270-08 rifles. The owners liked them. 130's at 3000 or close to it. A lot like a 7mm-08! GD
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I've built some 270-08 rifles. The owners liked them. 130's at 3000 or close to it. A lot like a 7mm-08! GD Careful, you'll give JOC the "vapors".
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If you want one, go for it.
Being a huge JOC and 270 fan, I seriously looked at building a 270-08 quite awhile ago.
I decided against it as I do not think I have a full active case of looneyism. But then I have passed on the 270 WSM, 270 Weatherby, 6.8 SPC, Wolverine, and 277 Fury so far also.
I have found it very easy to develop 270 WCF loads that duplicate 270-08 loads. May use a little more powder, but I can buy a lot of powder for the cost of a new semi custom gun in 270-08. In the end, I played with some 7-08's, but they went down the road too. If I was to go full on looney, I think I would go 277 Creedmoor right now. Pretty sure I would come around to my senses and just stick with the plain jane original before pulling the trigger on the wildcat.
As Mule Deer stated above, I am one of the guys that had a great load for my 270WCF that worked fantastic on deer, elk and antelope . When I finally got a chronograph I was severely disappointed as the 140gr Barnes X was only clocking right under 2800 fps. That particular rifle shot everything slow, but it did not stop me from burning the barrel out and getting a new one.
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A man half my age told me that the 270 is obsolete.
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Heck, If someone wanted a 270/08 or a 25/08, I don't see why you just wouldn't have one made...
Certainly easy to get a 27 or 25 caliber barrel, and just chamber the darn thing....if one hand loads, I don't see the reason that someone has to first has to justify the practicality of one...
My two " almost wild cat" calibers I had to have were a 6.5 x 57, and a 338/06.
I bought a new 270 Winchester on Close out post season in Montana at a Walmart for $250., never shot it and had it bored out to a 338/06.
Got a good buy on a 30/06 with a boss on it, and never shot that barrel. I had a 6.5 barrel made over at Pac Nor and had Kevin Wyatt over in Medford, chamber it in the 6.5 x 57.. just necking up 257 Roberts brass...
if you want a 25/ 08 or a 270 /08... why not just get one made...put it on an action you already own... and scratch your itch...
That is what I did on that 6.5 x 57.... put a 28 inch heavy magnum contoured Pac Nor Barrel, with a one in 7 twist.... on a Model 70 Long Action... so I can seat the bullet out there to magazine length....it would have been shot a lot more if we haven't had democRats in office so much over the last 20 years, and everyone start hoarding components like its dooms day next week....
What ever is practical if one wants something, if nothing else to try it out...if it doesn't work out, one can always spin it off the action, put the original barrel back on it, or another barrel in something else...
my only complaint is I don't have enough time in life, with all the things that pull you away from what I'd just like to do....hunting costs an arm and a leg, from everyone always trying to get rich off of anything... people always want something with a status symbol to better than everybody else... just like everybody else as my son puts it..
ya want a 270/08 or a 25 Super, get a barrel made and put it on one of your rifles.. and go have fun before life passes you by.....
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Where did you get reamer? Is it simply a 7/08 necked down w/no further changes?
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It isn't exactly off the shelf, but the 270 Redding may actually be easier to get set up.
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Where did you get reamer? Is it simply a 7/08 necked down w/no further changes? I got the reamer from Hugh Henriksen, around 1981, I think. It is the 308 necked down; 7mm-08 brass is about .020" longer. GD
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The 270 Redding as it is known is a good cartridge. I shoot a 270/300 Savage in a Savage 99. Similar. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/Qrrq91T.jpg) Beautiful Rifle! Rates a two-cool 
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A man half my age told me that the 270 is obsolete. Take it from a man twice your age, it isn't. 
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Would necking 7-08 brass to 27(08) with no other changes create a viable cartridge?
And yes I know one is .284 and the other is .277; just looking for a project. Could, if it suited you. For me, the .277 does its best work w/ heavier/longer bullets. ... which run contrary to std. short action cartridges. GR
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...If I was to go full on looney, I think I would go 277 Creedmoor right now... A Creed... more. Interesting. GR
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.270 is gay.
There, I said it.
P In the 60's as I grew to a man gay meant = happy. So, it is renamed the .270 " happy" Winchester. Fixed this me thinks
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I’d be lying if I said I hadn’t sat at my reloading bench and looked at a .277” 130 hornady and a 7-08 case and thought they’d be perfect together.
I think you should build it!
I like odd ball $hit too. Plus I’d bet a bottle of good bourbon you’d rarely sit at the fire at deer camp and have anyone say they have a .270/08 too.
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.270 is gay.
There, I said it.
P In the 60's as I grew to a man gay meant = happy. So, it is renamed the .270 " happy" Winchester. Fixed this me thinks Times have changed, brother. No one says “23 skidoo” anymore either. P
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Is there a better reason than "I want one?" Nope. And this reason works for me.
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260=264=80gr-160
270=277=90gr-160
7mm=284=120gr-175
264 and 284 offer better BCs.
277 offers absolutely nothing the others don't do better.
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