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Originally Posted by beretzs
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Scotty,
I was a lover of big 7’s and owned one of the first 7-300Win’s ever built…then I started shooting more game and reading fewer magazine articles and ballistic charts. I found the 270, even then, to be plenty good enough PLUS the rifle was handier lighter and shorter. Don’t own a big 7 currently.
The need for velocities over 3000 went away with the development of LRF’s. I still like 2900-3000 but more isn’t needed. Bullet technology, meaning monos, has changed many things as well.
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You’re just being sensible. Give me 20 years, maybe I’ll come around. Still love the 270 but I like a few others as well. I figure if a fella shoots enough it’s all just crazy speak really. We have too many choices these days.

Nothing wrong with having too many choices. Hell, I grew up using the 30-06, while my closest friend always had a 270. I'm a 30-06 guy at heart, but I have seen what a good 270 is capable of. The 7mm's are awesome too, even the little 7mm08 gets it done. Like Ricks says, the mono's have changed things a bit. With that being said, when I had my own 270 winchesters, I decided the old 150gr Nosler partition was the one bullet I'd load in them and call it good. That just makes it easy. Just the right amount of RL26, bullet seated .020" off the lands, a good primer (I see Scotty is cheating with BR2's, ha ha I do too) and case and you are in business.


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Originally Posted by beretzs
Originally Posted by RinB


Scotty,
On the subject of multiple choices…consider the harem.


I hear you Rick. You’ve already kicked the can down the road with the 7’s, 416’s, 375’s, etc…. I’m just catching my stride grin

I do have a pact with myself, if I had to get rid of everything my 270 Fewtherweight, 7 Mashburn and 338 would stay. Alllll the rest could take a hike. I’d be bitter but no less well off.

Somehow, I knew you would say those 3...


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
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Originally Posted by Garandimal
Guess my point is...

Why?

150 gr. NP at 400 yds. w/ a 200 zero:

2800 fps MV: (55 gr. IMR 4831)
18 ft-lbs of recoil (8.5 lb. rifle)
~ 22.5" drop.
~ 2070 fps.
~ 1425 ft-lbs.

3000 fps MV: (60 gr. RL 26)
21 ft-lbs of recoil (8.5 lb. rifle)
~ 19.2" drop.
~ 2235 fps.
~ 1665 ft-lbs.

Shoot the 2800 load quite a bit better, and all day long w/o a problem.

Easier on the rifle Bbl. as well.

Out to 400 yards?

Just askin'.




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The difference is right there in your figures. It easier to ride a fast horse slow than a slow horse fast. So there in lies your dilemma get the fast horse load or the std one but you have the option. You might as well get you a 7-08 so you have all those short stroke advantages too. I for one think the fast option with 150's and rl-26 is a neat deal....mb


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Originally Posted by beretzs
Here was my quick work with RL23 in a Tikka Superlight

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150 Berger’s

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150 Partitions

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150 ABLR with 26

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I also had great accuracy with 150 Ballistic Tips

The only bullet that rifle wouldn’t shoot for beans was the 150 Interbonds.

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Wished I loved it as much as my P64 270, as it is a great shooting rifle.

WTF? It would not shoot the interlocks very well??? Good data though Scotty.. I tried 61gr RL26 in my pre 64 fwt and had to back it off for better accuracy. Ended up running 60gr's and the rifle was happy.


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Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Guess my point is...

Why?

150 gr. NP at 400 yds. w/ a 200 zero:

2800 fps MV: (55 gr. IMR 4831)
18 ft-lbs of recoil (8.5 lb. rifle)
~ 22.5" drop.
~ 2070 fps.
~ 1425 ft-lbs.

3000 fps MV: (60 gr. RL 26)
21 ft-lbs of recoil (8.5 lb. rifle)
~ 19.2" drop.
~ 2235 fps.
~ 1665 ft-lbs.

Shoot the 2800 load quite a bit better, and all day long w/o a problem.

Easier on the rifle Bbl. as well.

Out to 400 yards?

Just askin'.




GR


The difference is right there in your figures. It easier to ride a fast horse slow than a slow horse fast. So there in lies your dilemma get the fast horse load or the std one but you have the option. You might as well get you a 7-08 so you have all those short stroke advantages too. I for one think the fast option with 150's and rl-26 is a neat deal....mb


While have nothing against the 7-08 in particular, consider short action cartridges in general an automatic rifle solution, and an impediment to bolt rifles.


For me, 18 ft-lbs is easier to shoot well than 21 ft-lbs, and a known 3" greater drop at 400 is negligible for hunting.

Maybe a little extra windage is all.

But, given that - would 2235 fps/1665 ft-lbs make a practical difference w/ this bullet in the field, over the pokey factory load that shoots essentially like an expanding .30 M2 ball round?

Enough to put up w/ the additional recoil, blast, and wear/tear?

When accuracy/shot placement trumps most?

The way I see it, it just adds a hundred yards past where I'd ever shoot.


Does it kill quicker?

Does it destroy less meat?

Does the meat taste better?

8>)


Just askin'.




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Originally Posted by RinB


John,
On the 270 in Namibia, before taking one I asked multiple outfitters(5 or 6) about the 7 millimeter bore diameter rule. Remember Namibia has had a close relationship with Germany. The Germans are very familiar with the metric system. In responding to my inquiry they all looked at me as if I knew nothing and said of course the bore diameter is at least 7mm. They mumbled “Dunkoff” e.g blockhead.

There is a lengthy discussion on AR about a wildcat made by necking the 375 H&H so as to shoot .423” bullets which the developer has named the .404/375 H&H. According to Krieger the barrel’s bore and groove measurements are .413”/.424”. I understand it is to duplicate original .404 Jeffery ballistics using the namesakes’ .423” bullets. Senseless. It should be called the .413/375 or the .423/375.
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Rick,

Thanks for that info. The father of the father-son hunting company we used was a dummkopf (the actual German word for blockhead) in several ways. In fact Eileen made some good money writing articles about her experiences with him, in particular one story in Gray's Sporting Journal.

John


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John,
Thanks for educating me about the correct spelling of dumbkopf. Loud prolonged laughter here. You have validated the German fellow’s original point. More laughter.
Rick

PS Will have to tell you the saga of my most recent attempt to acquire the last most perfect ultimate 270.

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Originally Posted by Garandimal
Originally Posted by Magnum_Bob
Originally Posted by Garandimal
Guess my point is...

Why?

150 gr. NP at 400 yds. w/ a 200 zero:

2800 fps MV: (55 gr. IMR 4831)
18 ft-lbs of recoil (8.5 lb. rifle)
~ 22.5" drop.
~ 2070 fps.
~ 1425 ft-lbs.

3000 fps MV: (60 gr. RL 26)
21 ft-lbs of recoil (8.5 lb. rifle)
~ 19.2" drop.
~ 2235 fps.
~ 1665 ft-lbs.

Shoot the 2800 load quite a bit better, and all day long w/o a problem.

Easier on the rifle Bbl. as well.

Out to 400 yards?

Just askin'.




GR


The difference is right there in your figures. It easier to ride a fast horse slow than a slow horse fast. So there in lies your dilemma get the fast horse load or the std one but you have the option. You might as well get you a 7-08 so you have all those short stroke advantages too. I for one think the fast option with 150's and rl-26 is a neat deal....mb


While have nothing against the 7-08 in particular, consider short action cartridges in general an automatic rifle solution, and an impediment to bolt rifles.


For me, 18 ft-lbs is easier to shoot well than 21 ft-lbs, and a known 3" greater drop at 400 is negligible for hunting.

Maybe a little extra windage is all.

But, given that - would 2235 fps/1665 ft-lbs make a practical difference w/ this bullet in the field, over the pokey factory load that shoots essentially like an expanding .30 M2 ball round?

Enough to put up w/ the additional recoil, blast, and wear/tear?

When accuracy/shot placement trumps most?

The way I see it, it just adds a hundred yards past where I'd ever shoot.


Does it kill quicker?

Does it destroy less meat?

Does the meat taste better?

8>)


Just askin'.




GR


If it means anything, if it shot well and it sounds like yours does I wouldn’t care too much myself. I do think if you’re stretching it out to 400-500 yard mark the extra FPS doesn’t hurt bullet expansion and such but probably no big deal.


Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by beretzs
Here was my quick work with RL23 in a Tikka Superlight

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150 Berger’s

[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]

150 Partitions

[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]

[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]

150 ABLR with 26

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I also had great accuracy with 150 Ballistic Tips

The only bullet that rifle wouldn’t shoot for beans was the 150 Interbonds.

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Wished I loved it as much as my P64 270, as it is a great shooting rifle.

WTF? It would not shoot the interlocks very well??? Good data though Scotty.. I tried 61gr RL26 in my pre 64 fwt and had to back it off for better accuracy. Ended up running 60gr's and the rifle was happy.


Interbonds, hated them. I’ve never tried the Interlock in it. I’m sure it would’ve been fine judging from the others though.


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Rick,

Yeah, I would be interested in the latest, most-perfect .270!


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I have three 270 rifles, one a Ruger Tanger pushes 140 gr. partitions right at 3000fps. So sad I don't have any R26 or 150 gr. partitions. I'm really missing out right?


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Originally Posted by rickt300
I have three 270 rifles, one a Ruger Tanger pushes 140 gr. partitions right at 3000fps. So sad I don't have any R26 or 150 gr. partitions. I'm really missing out right?


Which is one of my points. Have seen the .270 with 150 Partitions (not even monolithics!) drop big game up to 500-1000 pounds both in North America and Africa within 50 yards or, often, much less when the muzzle velocity was "only" around 2900 fps. Dunno what another 100 or even 200 fps would accomplish, partly because of seeing (and killing) quite a lot of big game with various bullets around 150 grains at similar velocities. Have yet to see vastly different AVERAGE results.


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Craig Boddington wrote an article maybe 15 years or more ago called "The 270 Bull" in which he killed a bull elk at 400 yards with a .270 Winchester loaded with a 150 grain Nosler Partition at 2800 feet per second. He said it dropped as fast as any elk he'd ever shot with any caliber. Seemed to work for him.

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Actually Craig wrote that the bull dropped FASTER than any elk he'd shot with a larger cartridge....


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Thanks John, my memory stinks any more.

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Mine does too, but I definitely remember that one--partly due to standing in the spot where Craig shot from a few years later, with the guy who guided him, Mike Ballew. Mike pointed out where the bull was standing!

But I also reread a lot of hunting stuff, partly to make sure I get quotes right--the reason some of my books have sticky notes on many pages....


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Just to stir the pot a bit. Shoot a 140 grain partition out of the hated 6.5 Creedmoor at 2700 fps and at 400 yards it will be within 160 foot pounds of energy from the 270 150 at 2800. Shoot a 142 grain Accubond Long Range at 2700 and it will actually beat the .270 150 at 2800 in velocity and energy at 400 yards. Just food for thought.

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I loaded a crap ton of 270 Win ammo with 150 npt's over RL-22 for 2900 fps in a pre-64 standard rifle with 24" barrel, same load runs 2840 ish in pre-64 featherweight rifle, 26 wasn't invented then, dont think i'm missing out on a thing.


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Originally Posted by gunner500
I loaded a crap ton of 270 Win ammo with 150 npt's over RL-22 for 2900 fps in a pre-64 standard rifle with 24" barrel, same load runs 2840 ish in pre-64 featherweight rifle, 26 wasn't invented then, dont think i'm missing out on a thing.


Nah, I wouldn’t think you are at all. But if 26 were I’d bet you’d not have given back the 100-150 FPS either, knowing how you roll a smidge.

Originally Posted by Ohio7x57
Just to stir the pot a bit. Shoot a 140 grain partition out of the hated 6.5 Creedmoor at 2700 fps and at 400 yards it will be within 160 foot pounds of energy from the 270 150 at 2800. Shoot a 142 grain Accubond Long Range at 2700 and it will actually beat the .270 150 at 2800 in velocity and energy at 400 yards. Just food for thought.

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That’s the stuff right there that’ll get people yammering Ron. I kinda did a similar trick to myself using the plain old 06. I used the 212 ELDs at an easy 2700’ish.

When I ran the numbers with it then against the old standard of a 300 Win with a 180 Partition it didn’t take long for the olllllll 06 to look pretty good at distance.


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LOL, yep, i'd have definitely given it a fair shake, if accuracy was there, extra speed is a bonus.


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Originally Posted by Ohio7x57
Just to stir the pot a bit. Shoot a 140 grain partition out of the hated 6.5 Creedmoor at 2700 fps and at 400 yards it will be within 160 foot pounds of energy from the 270 150 at 2800. Shoot a 142 grain Accubond Long Range at 2700 and it will actually beat the .270 150 at 2800 in velocity and energy at 400 yards. Just food for thought.

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Some gun writer who has considerable field experience with both the .270 Winchester and various 6.5 cartridges that get "Creedmoor ballistics" (including the Creedmoor) has mentioned that here and there.


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