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Great question in 1860. Totally irrelevant virtue signalling horsecrap in 2022.

Odd question. Must be a backstory to it.

Yep, completely irrelevant and meant to drive divisions and emotions. Especially when it was happening around the world but only focusing on one nation

IMO out founders were political revolutionaries and geniuses that fundamentally changed the world from a monarchy based globe to an individual rights with a freedom to vote world. To focus on anything else given the context of the times is being dishonest. Our founders did more to advance individual rights than any single group in history.

You're talking about my post in another thread. First my very best friend absolutely hates churches. I respect him for that and know some of the reasons he feels that way. You may very well be like him. What my point is that if you are of the mindset that christians in general need to be kept away from places of influence, like our government, I think you're wrong. Not you personally but in the general term.

So here's something. Prayer in school. You may not like that, fine. I feel it's okay. If your child does not want to pray then so be it but if mine does lets treat it the same. It's not that way though, in many places. My child can be kicked out of school for doing so. That is wrong. I would not want your child forced into prayer either. So here's the solution of the leftist. Outlaw it. It fits their agenda perfectly. Are you okay with that? If so then you are aligning yourself with them.

Many christians, including myself are more in tune with your desire to not worship God than you may know. I would not want any law passed to force you to do so. So here is my plight. How can I fight the leftist/communist takeover and not insult you? I don't want to alienate you but at the same time what they're doing is destroying our nation. You must see that as a conservative.

Here's another thing. On conservatism. We want less government, on that I am sure we agree. They have been over reaching for years. Why is the government so intrusive in our schools? We know why. So they can control what these kids are taught or not taught. The dumbing down of America as Rush so often called it.

An iron clad statement for me is that you cannot be a true christian and be a liberal and support what they do. So I know of many that claim to be christians and sanction almost everything these people do. I want nothing to do with them. To me they are deceived. Rush Limbaugh was one of the finest conservatives I think we've seen but he rarely spoke of God. What he did do was to defend many, at times even more than most clergy, foundational aspects of Christianity. Like opposing abortion. He also believed our country was founded on biblical principals. I feel the same. I hope you do too.

I'm not saying you have to attend church or read the Bible to be a good person. My friend I mentioned does neither but he and I relate on things that are founded on what the Bible teaches. Trust, integrity, honesty, respect, love of country and fellow man. Is that was motivates you in how you behave? If you're truly a conservative there is only one answer. Our Founders were conservatives. If you share that with me we will have more in common than you may believe. Their way is the only way to go forward. If we do we will be doing something that pleases God, in my opinion. If you're living a life of a true conservative that alone will mean you are doing things aligning with Godliness. To take God out of any conservative effort is not the way to go.

Freedom of religion DOES indeed include all your aforementioned groups but it most certainly does not mean freedom FROM religion. You are free to choose (or not), to worship (or not) as you see fit but that does NOT infer that you should have any expectation or “freedom” from not witnessing someone else practicing theirs. You can’t be obligated to participate but you aren’t immune from inquiry.

Freedom OF religion is enshrined in our Constitution, articulated by honest God-fearing men that understood the potential for abuse when government mandated a state religion. It guarantees that you can practice your religion without repercussions.

Freedom FROM religion is a false notion that, unlike our “real” rights, requires something from others ie, suppressing the expression of one’s faith. It is a false notion that is pursued by un-enlightened, selfish and godless men that use deception as a premise.

You can choose religion or not. I can choose religion or not but neither of us has a guarantee that we’ll not witness the other one practicing theirs.

Again you sound like an emotionally driven lib. Human nature, context, and historical facts and times are lost on you.

It might help you if you would repent of your lying. Why don't you confess all the lies you have told on this forum.
How about start with that story you told about that fantastic 10 group you shot into 1 hole when you were less than 10 years old.

Nothing you say here has any credibility.

All cool in theory. What about reality. You are born to a meth head mother and watch her get beaten every day by her man du jour. You are treated like dirt. You only know survival, You do bad things to survive because that is all you know. Are you hosed by God for that?

A Conservative believes in freedom of religion but also believes that basic Christian values played a crucial role in the founding principles of the country.

Is THAT the best you've got?
You "men" spent day after day with a fine toothed comb scouring 8,800 posts of a very long book trying to find one sin?
For a Federal law enforcement officer, I thought you could do better than that.
The best you have is a personal correspondence with someone who was sharing the inherent accuracy of some of the finest sporterized military rifles in history. I was told by another of his Mauser that had a one hole group too. Don't believe it? Who cares what you believe? First, that correspondence was None of your damned business or the other jackass who made criminal terroristic threats against me. You want to affiliate yourself with others making terroristic threats, go right ahead.

From many decades ago, I spoke from memory what happened when I was a boy shooting that knot on the tree from prone. Why should anyone care whether or not you believe that? What the hell does it matter to YOU?

Furthermore, I DO sin and make no excuses for them.
However, you are NOT God and I will never go to you or anyone else here to confess them as some Catholic going to a priest to be forgiven. I go directly to the Almighty. You don't qualify Hastings. YOU are the one with NO credibility.

What REALLY matters is that fact that the gospel I proclaim is absolutely TRUE. You have no power against it, so you attack the messenger as if that can nullify my, and Paul's AND Jesus' gospel. Don't believe it? That's your choice. You don't even believe that Jesus is God. You are Unitarian, far left of the rainbow flag lesbian priest at the Episcopalian church.
You have another Jesus, another gospel and christians have a mandate about those bringing another gospel or another "Jesus."

The Jesus I know is God and I can prove that not only from the New Testament, but also the old. Why? Because He is eternally God. Always was Alpha and always will be, Omega.

"For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour.
Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel."
Isaiah 43

"Let God be true and every man a liar!"

Nope. Not my religion. Not ever. That is what the left is trying to do with the totality of their twisted ideology.

But there appear to be two participants in this thread who feel otherwise.

Apparently they feel the wisdom to mandate the religion each of us shall practice.

But there appear to be two participants in this thread who feel otherwise.

Apparently they feel the wisdom to mandate the religion each of us shall practice.

Not much of one. The OP is a closet liberal with no life experience outside of a 20 mile radius from mammy's farmhouse.

He has read a couple of pages from Flavius Josephus and a chapter of Ayn Rand. Of course that qualifies him to be the most obnoxious kind of closet liberal.... one who masquerades a libertarian atheist.

Do you claim to be a Christian?

Yet you lie like Obama or Biden! Is that not a deliberate sin?

Who is mandating anything to you? Lets see some posting that shows this.

I don’t know if he’s lied or not. The fundamentals of Christianity and its building blocks is the concept that none of us are perfect which is why an all encompassing government is a bad idea. All of us have constant flaws. To be a Christian isn’t to be perfect it’s about a belief in God and culturally speaking a set of norms and ideals to try to uphold. Those norms and ideals to strive for are what have advanced the Western world and up until recently provided unity.

The OP is a closet liberal with no life experience outside of a 20 mile radius from mammy's farmhouse.

He has read a couple of pages from Flavius Josephus and a chapter of Ayn Rand. Of course that qualifies him to be the most obnoxious kind of closet liberal....

Do you claim to be a Christian?

Yet you lie like Obama or Biden! Is that not a deliberate sin?