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Biden lying again?

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Stephen Moore May 17, 2022

President Joe Biden keeps claiming that wind and solar energy are going to save money for consumers. But more government subsidies to “renewable energy” is a key feature of the White House anti-inflation strategy recently announced by Biden.

He probably got that idea from John Kerry, the administration’s climate czar, who recently claimed that “solar and wind are less expensive than coal or oil or gas.” Pete Buttigieg, the Biden Transportation secretary, makes the same claims about the thousands of dollars that motorists can save if they buy electric cars.

This couldn’t be more wrong.

Proponents of “green” energy boondoggles are often masters at playing with the numbers, because that is the only way that wind and solar electricity generation make any sense. Advocates such as Kerry love to focus on the low operating costs of solar and wind since they don’t require constant purchases of fuel. Ignoring the relatively short lifespan of solar and wind components, as well as the high initial investment, can make it appear as though solar and wind operate at lower costs than fossil fuels or nuclear power.

Let’s get the facts straight. The cost isn’t just what you pay at the retail level for gas or power. It also includes the taxes you pay to subsidize the power. A 2017 study by the Department of Energy found that for every dollar of government subsidy per BTU unit of energy produced from fossil fuels, wind and solar get at least $10.

That’s anything but a money saver.

The reason the subsidies are so high is that solar and wind have additional costs compared to their more reliable competition. “Green” energy sources are non-dispatchable, meaning their output can’t be changed to match demand. The wind doesn’t blow harder, and the sun doesn’t shine brighter, just because electricity use is peaking.

Conversely, fossil fuel entities—such as a coal plant—can ramp up generation when we need it most and ramp down when demand falls.

Widespread adoption of solar and wind generation would necessitate expensive batteries on a large scale to ensure that people still have power when the wind stops blowing or when the sun stops shining—like it does every single night.

So, unlike reliable and flexible natural gas, solar and wind require large-scale storage solutions: massive banks of batteries that are hardly environmentally friendly but are also extremely expensive. And since batteries don’t last forever, they add to both the initial expense and maintenance costs during the life of a solar or wind energy generating station.

The same problem exists with electric cars. The sticker price on EVs is considerably higher than for conventional gas-operated cars, and the so-called savings over time assume that the electric power for recharging is free. But it isn’t and power costs are rising almost as fast as gas prices.

Factors such as these are consistently ignored by Kerry and other “green” energy activists.

To genuinely evaluate dissimilar energy sources and provide an apples-to-apples comparison, the U.S. Energy Information Administration uses the Levelized Cost of Energy (LCOE) and the Levelized Cost of Storage (LCOS). These measures consider the initial costs, the lifespan of generation and storage systems, maintenance and fuel costs, decommissioning expenses, subsidies, etc., and compare that to how much electricity is produced over a power plant’s lifetime.

The numbers don’t lie: “green” energy is a complete waste of resources.

The LCOE and LCOS for solar and on-shore wind farms are four times as expensive as natural gas. But offshore wind takes the cake—it’s six times as expensive as natural gas.

Imagine paying four to six times as much every month for the same electricity! That’s the green paradise world that the Biden administration wants for America.

Yet, it’s even worse than that because electric power costs greatly affect the cost of producing nearly everything else. In the case of producing aluminum, for example, a third of the total production cost is electricity alone.

Imagine what quadrupling electricity prices would do to the prices of all the goods and services that people buy. If you think inflation is bad now, just wait until the nation is dependent on wind and solar—then you’ll see REAL price increases.

And despite official government data contradicting their own claims, the Biden administration—including Kerry—continues spouting simple untruths on wind and solar. They hope that no one will check their fantastic facts.

To the left, wanting it to be true, makes it true.

All the while, the middle class is being crushed by $4-a-gallon gasoline and businesses everywhere are buckling under $5-per-gallon diesel. The Wall Street Journal warns that electric power blackouts could be coming because of overreliance on wind and solar power.

At some point, if this push for green energy continues, the whole nation will start to look like California, where gas is $6 a gallon, the lights go out, and electric cars are stranded because of rolling blackouts. If that’s our “green” future, then Americans should want nothing to do with it.


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This is true, saw a good presentation on how wind and solar are so much less "energy-dense" than oil and natural gas, and those turbine blades do wear out eventually and have to be disposed of.......we have enough natural gas in this country to supply our energy needs for 100 years, it's cleaner than oil and coal, and much more efficient than wind and solar.

Why the government doesn't seem to get that is beyond me....

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I know it’s been said a thousand times before, but follow the money.

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Green is a percentage solution to a very large problem...

It is NOT... nor will it ever solve the whole need.

EVs make sense for some urbanites...

EV or "Green" makes no sense whatsoever for hauling freight, flying cargo/people, farming, commercial fishing, military tanks, jets and subs.

EV and "Green" is about MONEY for certain people... NOTHING MORE. (i.e. ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY).

.GOV propping up "Green" with tax breaks/incentives is a transition of your money... to .GOVs favorite people.

It will NEVER be the "next Dot Com boom"... NEVER. Far to weak as a precept.


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Elon Musk even said we need nuclear power. He builds solar panels. They only work well in the Southwest where there is more sunshine than anywhere else, or in space where they are 10 times more efficient than on earth.

Wind only works well where there is a continuous wind strong enough to keep the blades turning.

The expensive part of solar and wind are battery storage when there is not enough power being used. Excess wind or solar is wasted without expensive storage.

Musk also said we need to drill for oil and gas, and he makes electric cars. He knows we still need oil and gas even if and when every car is electric. Cars last 20 years or more before being scrapped. Trucks probably longer with rebuilds. Railroad locomotives last over 50 years. Transitioning to wind and solar will take 20-50 years if done properly. You can't force new technologies. They happen naturally.

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Because it is really about control and nothing more. Break us then control us.


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Forget the hidden subsidy cost of electric vehicles, the day to day cost per mile of EV's is much higher than internal combustion vehicles. The US Postal Service, who does not use GSA vehicles, has studied the cost per mile and came to the conclusion that electric vehicles are so expensive that USPS cannot afford to replace their aging fleet if they go EV. Biden Admin is screaming bloody murder and has threatened to fire USPS director Louis DeJoy.


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I wonder if the new Disinformation Board will cover this?


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But, but, but...it's still less expensive than having to build a sea wall around every land mass on the planet. C'mon, man.


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If there is any future for green energy of any sort, it will be found by private sector researchers and entrepreneurs. Government involvement only stifles the incentive for private individuals to research and develop new technology. The alternate argument is that government subsidies help to facilitate private development. Bull crap! Subsidies are like welfare. We have companies that exist with the sole purpose of operating on subsidies alone. There is simply no incentive for welfare recipient companies to kill the goose laying this golden egg. Are there exceptions? Of course. However, that appears to be the status quo. The profit motive is the private sector catalyst for any real development of any technology.


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Originally Posted by flintlocke
Forget the hidden subsidy cost of electric vehicles, the day to day cost per mile of EV's is much higher than internal combustion vehicles. The US Postal Service, who does not use GSA vehicles, has studied the cost per mile and came to the conclusion that electric vehicles are so expensive that USPS cannot afford to replace their aging fleet if they go EV. Biden Admin is screaming bloody murder and has threatened to fire USPS director Louis DeJoy.

That is prima facie REALITY...

"Reality is the sum or aggregate of all that is real or existent within a system, as opposed to that which is only imaginary." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/03/politics/epa-postal-service-gas-electric-trucks/index.html

WARNING... the CNN link above contains MUCH word salad.


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Because more government spending ALWAYS reduces inflation.

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It’s all about control and our government managing our lives from cradle to grave.

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Originally Posted by bluefish
Because it is really about control and nothing more. Break us then control us.

This is the bottom line. Those currently in control know what is best for "Mother Earth" and people have to use less natural resources. Make those resources less available and more expensive. Mission accomplished. Third world populations have much less effect on "Mother Earth" than second and third world populations. Protecting "Mother Earth" is a religion with them and control the solution.

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Don't worry, Dipshit Biden will just print more money, problem solved!

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Everything "green" or "organic" costs more. We are not supposed to consider that.


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We're already having problems with the electric grid in Texas because of our typical hot summer weather because wind hasn't been blowing enough. The Texas Public Utility Commission and ERCOT both claim everything is under control.

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Originally Posted by TimZ
This is true, saw a good presentation on how wind and solar are so much less "energy-dense" than oil and natural gas, and those turbine blades do wear out eventually and have to be disposed of.......we have enough natural gas in this country to supply our energy needs for 100 years, it's cleaner than oil and coal, and much more efficient than wind and solar.

Why the government doesn't seem to get that is beyond me....


They get it but it doesn't help them attain their goal of the destroying the petroleum industry and our economy.

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I tell ya those Democrat ring leaders on this green energy are living in a fantasyland no way are we ready for this. And what the hell does Pete Buttigieg know about all this hope he ain't planning on having anymore babies.

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