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It will take 1or 2 to 6 yrs to get it out to Special Ops communities and Combat arms units.
Combat service support maybe 10 to 12 years if at all.
Overseas units will get and should get priority 1st.
And Conus units on RDF status.
The logistics and training to field a new wpn systems is alot.
ALOT.....
Fugg just building the ammo requirement tables for qual and adddresing range issues is huge.
Building up a x2 war stock in storage let alone units 2 year training forecast is huge...

Lotta reserve and Gaurd units have A2,s

We got M4,s back in 97 in 3/ 187th
Also at same time got m240b,s
Pl, PSG, 4 SL,s had M4,s in a platoon.
Took to around 01 to get all others a M4.
Went to OIF1 we all had em.
Combat service support units still had A2,s
Around 2008 2009 the A2,s were gone.
AD support troops organic to the 101st had m4,s
18th Abn corp support assets still had A2 s
Even the 8inch corp arty guys had A2,s still.

Went to desert storm with a A2 in the 101st.
Everyone in division had A2,s

Left carson in 86 and A1,s
Went to Germany Had A2,s and SAWS.
Carson had M60 tanks
Germany had M1,s in 86 when I got their and was feilding Bradleys in 87 and 88.


5.56mm ammo will be in the system DOD for a long time in AD support units and reserve and gaurd units for their M4,s and A2,s.





Think of it like the M1 Garand and the M1 Carbine in WW2 and The Korean war.

Then along came the M14 7.62 x 51
Then Eugene came along.

Having a new wpn system aint a bad thing.
But it takes a loooooong time to phase in.

Geez, wish I had some info. I absolutely adore my 6.8's.
Would LOVE to see the military go to a 6.8mm.

All I have is what I've heard.

As I understand it, when the military backed away from the 6.8mm, some forward operating groups held onto theirs, preferring the 6.8 over the 5.56.

That's all I got! LOL!

I will say this:
I don't know if they quit loading ammo for the 6.8, but if it ever hits the shelf, it doesn't stay long.

Swing and a miss.

Back in 01
None of us complained 1 bit either when we 86,d the Dragon for the Javelin.
Javelin was a Godsend!!!!

Dealt with the Dragon from 1984 to 2001.
AMF.....
Shooting missles from 1972 with pink red humidity indicators.

Some of em hit tgt fail to explode.
You could fly the fuuucka,s but whether it would go boom was the question.
Had the Dragon in Germany in 86 to 88.
Not a confidence builder with launch sig and have to fly it
10 to 12 seconds with a good last flight command you could stretch out to 1100 yds (extra 100) after your wire broke.

They was just start to phase out the M203 and replace it with another system in 08 when I retired.
Was seeing it when I worked small arm ranges on post from early 2009 to mid 2011.


New wpn systems are not a bad thing.

No fair! I stepped out of the batter's box! 😉

Wrong or not, I still think the 6.8 is superior to the 5.56.
YMMV!

You ain't talking about the 6.8 that's being discussed here though.

In the eighty deuce we had the "Drago Missle Jump Pack" which was dubbed the "Womack Jump Pack" (Womack being the post hospital)

And a .308 won't penetrate body armor at 600 yards?

11 pounds is 2 pounds more than an M1 Garand. Wonder how much ammo weighs 2 pounds.

For my money, they should have standardized on a 6.8 100 years ago. Then the .308 or 30-06 would have been their improvement.

By the way, for those of us who are ignorant, what does MOUT mean?

Military
Operations (in)
Urban
Terrain

600+ yard engagements were common in Afghanistan and that’s a big driver of the new weapon.

OGB did you ever run into a guy named Whalen when you were in the 82nd? Buddy of mine was a 12B there, he did an Afghanistan rotation with the 82nd and then went SF and ended up as a 18E eventually.

In germany we had some rube goldberg erector set mount for the dragons on our 113,s
Gawd I hated mech those 1st 4yrs...😔😔😔😔
Was sooooo glad to escape 11m transistion and stay 11B light infantry.
All it cost me was 12 months at Hood filling in as a 11C which paid huge experience dividends down the line for me.
Anyways...

Dragon had regular bipod dismount mode as a given.
But the idea of launching from a 113 and the huge launch sig and tgt profile of a stationary 113 was not a warm and fuzzy at all...
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I was pissed when I left the A1 in 86.
Was pissed when I left the A2 in 97.
Grew into the M4 like any new wpn.

Joe dont mind humping firepower.
He might bytch, but bytching is the sign of a well adjusted joe and a given right since valley forge 😄😄😄
But joe also knows more firepower is better.

600 yards was common with light infantry rifles? (I'm not saying they weren't, just having a hard time imagining it, partly because past 300 yards my eyes quickly morph into Mr. Magoo mode.)

My first duty station I was on an ITV that was in 86. You could dismount the TOW, but we also had Dragons as a secondary Anti Armor system. Ended up transitioning to the Bradley in 89 IIRC.

Not sure, left the 82nd in 2000' and there's 5 active SFGs he could have gone to.

That would of been before his time.

Haha, 2 things I never wished for in a gun fight, a smaller gun or less ammo.

I have no military experience but if true that it will weigh 11 pounds loaded up that sounds like an absolute pig. Especially if that’s the weight minus an optic. Again no military experience but as a layman it seems like a well thought out optics system would be critical to justify that much weight while giving the ability to make consistent hits at the extended ranges that the chambering is designed for.

I can see where 600 yard shots would be useful back in the days of tight formations or even trench warfare but against an enemy spread out on a mountain side shooting from concealment how useful is being able to deliver deadly rounds at that range with irons or red dots Vs. The weight of the rifle? Suppressive fire I suppose but if they’re spread out and actual hits are few is it enough to justify that heavy of a rifle that would seem to give up a lot at closer engagements?

The 6.8 is a dumb idea and will fail just like the SCAR.

Heavy recoil, heavy ammo, and heavy rifle.

The Russians have proven they do not field effective amour with this Ukraine disaster and the ChiComs are no better.

What a waste of tax dollars.

They can get phugged. Nobody better talk crap about Travis Haley's son..