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Same.

Generally better deals both buying and selling privately.

Federal law requires any shuttered FFL to turn in all 4473's.

Sure would be a shame if a shed where the FFL kept those records were to burn down right before turning them in.

Ever listen to the dealer when he calls the NICS when checking if you are legal to buy a firearm? Every essential piece of information on the 4473 goes to the person at the other end of the line- phone or computer contact- and ends up in the NICS computer.

The only firearm information given is firearm type. No Make, model or SN.

And your name ,address,physical description,what type of gun,age.That`s all!

That depends on what state we are discussing.

You don't have to do a NICS check here if you have concealed carry permit.

No I haven’t. But doubt I’ve had a dealer run a NICS check on me since 96 or 97. They definitely haven’t since 2006.
Private sales here are legal. Long guns just checking DL is all that’s needed. Handgun a purchase permit or CHP plus DL required. Seller is required to keep a record (CYA)but is not required to report it. Plus there isn’t any way for a private seller to access NSP or NICS.

Met a retired gun store owner.
I asked him about what happened to 4473's.
He said he called BATFE for instructions. BATFE said boxed 4473's go into huge warehouse where they are kept. He never heard back from BATFE where to send them

They can destroy 4473's after 20 years.

martininstrument: What makes you think a law enforcement officer checking a serial number of a "suspicious" firearm is doing something "ILLEGAL"?
I've done it hundreds of times - granted its been 24+ years since I last did so.
Where "dereliction" of duty COULD possibly come in to play is if the "suspicious" firearm came up reported stolen and said law enforcement type did NOT follow up on that stolen firearm.
But it sounds to me that you are off on a different tangent than that scenario?
Do you also think it is illegal for a law enforcement type person to run a suspicious vehicles license plate or V.I.N. (vehicle identification number) for stolen?
If there has been some "law" passed and instituted in the last 24 years that makes checking on a firearms legal status "illegal" then I have not heard of it - and if your scenario should be true then I am thankful the statute of limitations has LONG since passed.
By the way I have also been buying firearms for more than 57 years now both via private sales and business sales and NONE of those hundreds of transactions have caused me any legal grief.
Perhaps thou worries to much?
Long live the Second Amendment.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

160: Where do you think all those 4473's go after the FFL holder dies or closes up shop? Hint: It is in West Virginia

My friend who closed her gun store after 30-something years in business sent her 4473's to ATF. Too bad a few old car batteries happened to get spilled in her storeroom. Sulfuric acid and paper doesn't play well together!

78CJ: What is Section A box 3 labeled? Hint: Serial Number. How do you think firearms are traced?

Bottom line to me is this.
The people who run our federal government have been waging an undeclared war on the American People for some time.
Do you honestly think that they’re NOT interested in what you may have should push come to shove?
I swear, sometimes I think some folks actually refuse to see, and verbally attack those of us who do.
7mm

Oregon is another with (not so) instant back ground checks performed by State Police.

Make, modej, and serial number are given to OSP via phone with every purchase.

My last two Oregon transactions have been delayed. One for three days, an earlier transaction (Ruger 10-22) for 182 days.

I've had many private firearm transactions and that's exactly what they are - PRIVATE!

That's the way it should be. Here in NY if you get arrested even for the smallest thing the next day or 2 someone will be showing up to take your permit and all hand guns. So if you still have it you're not in any trouble.