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Prison rehabs evil people and produces solid citizens. Strict gun laws prevent violence. Restoration of rights for dangerous felons is important. carry on  mike r
Don't wish it were easier
Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that.
Craig Douglas ECQC
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There used to be a Federal program for restoration of firearm rights. The felon, having done his jail time, having completed his probation, having paid his fine, then, had to remain a solid citizen for 5 years. Like, not get busted again. Like, not get a DUI. Then he could apply for restoration of rights. ATF investigated the guy, took a month or more. He needed to have a good job and references from solid citizens. But, he could get his rights restored.
Under "co-President" Hillary in 1996, this program was done away with.
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When I was very young my Mother and Father started teaching me the difference between right and wrong. They also told me what the outcome or consequences of my actions could and will be.
If you can’t do the time… Many forget that George Washington was a wanted criminal. “Right and wrong” can’t be taught by your mommy and daddy. I beg to differ. I was told if you kill someone in anger that that is wrong and you will pay for it. I was also told that you should treat everyone as if they have some inner battle that they are fighting and you should give them the benefit of the doubt. Your parents are your first line of defense as you grow up. Reread the last sentence… That would mean a bunch of combat vets did something wrong when they killed people. You'd have to be a special level of retard to teach that to a child. Fighting a war and killing premeditated are two entirely different things. Of course if you were taught that you would know the difference. My parents tried to instill good in all of there children as best as they could. My father did 2 tours in Vietnam and lived to tell about it. He didn’t ever commit any crimes because he was taught right from wrong when he was a young child. He was also a New York City beat cop before he joined the service. My mother was a great woman with many many friends that taught there children to be good children as well. I have no friends that are in prison. So to say that they are retarded is very offensive to me and I would like to give you the opportunity to say it to me face. Just send me a PM and we can discuss a meeting place. Didn't know your dad, and I darn sure don't intend to disrespect him. But you are wrong. Very wrong. Your dad may have never murdered, raped or robbed. May not have driven drunk. But I guarantee you he broke laws. Everyone does, every day if they drive a car far enough. 2 miles over, rolling stop....aren't a big deal. But that's the point of numerous posts here. Drunk 18 year old getting in a fight with Dad shouldn't keep both from owning a gun for life.
Kid from a schiddy home knocks off a liquor store at 20,
does some time, get some education and pointed on a good path
shouldn't be banned from buying his 10 year old a 22.
20 years, a lifestyle and lifetime later. America and Christianity are intertwined. And a basic tenement in both is the ability to put the past behind you and move forward on a better path. It's a damn shame human kind so corrupt everything has to be codified. So often these things should be decided by what makes sense. That's BS, so you believe that someone who robbed a liquor store using a gun should be allowed to legally own and buy guns? Having a gun pulled and used against you is something that alters your life forever. Withholding rights and privileges from convicted criminals as part of their sentencing, I’m fine with.
I do think there should be a clear path/time frame laid out. Whether it’s one year or a lifetime ban. What Mooner said.
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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Rights for a non violent felony should be restored once sentence is complete. No rights restored for a violent felony for a minimum of 15 years and must be petitioned for after that time.
Jim
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Why should violent felons survive getting arrested? Go ahead and restore their gun rights- - - - -put a gun in the casket with them.
Ignorance can be fixed. Stupid is forever!
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Why should violent felons survive getting arrested? Go ahead and restore their gun rights- - - - -put a gun in the casket with them. At what age did you convince yourself that you are the baddest man on the planet? LOL You're a retired school teacher. STFU.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Laws preventing convicted felons of possessing firearms has been proven not to work and only keeps the jails full. If they want a gun then they are going to get it. Just another way to keep people in the criminal justice system even when they have paid their debt.
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Laws preventing convicted felons of possessing firearms has been proven not to work and only keeps the jails full. If they want a gun then they are going to get it. Just another way to keep people in the criminal justice system even when they have paid their debt. about making money.
God bless Texas-----------------------
Old 300
I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull
Its not how you pick the booger..
but where you put it !!
Roger V Hunter
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Laws preventing convicted felons of possessing firearms has been proven not to work and only keeps the jails full. If they want a gun then they are going to get it. Just another way to keep people in the criminal justice system even when they have paid their debt. Because the "laws" are not enforced, Read the Federal Laws for firearms violations, Not sexy but has teeth. LONG prison sentences, no parole. Al Capone was arrested for Tax Code Violations.. He died in prison.
And these zombies line up and eat from the media’s trough
Cowards CANNOT be free. Nor should they be.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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Laws preventing convicted felons of possessing firearms has been proven not to work and only keeps the jails full. If they want a gun then they are going to get it. Just another way to keep people in the criminal justice system even when they have paid their debt. Because the "laws" are not enforced, Read the Federal Laws for firearms violations, Not sexy but has teeth. LONG prison sentences, no parole. Al Capone was arrested for Tax Code Violations.. He died in prison. If you were trying to pack as much incorrect into one post you did a great job.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Why should violent felons survive getting arrested? Go ahead and restore their gun rights- - - - -put a gun in the casket with them.[/quot
[quote=Hotrod_Lincoln]Why should violent felons survive getting arrested? Go ahead and restore their gun rights- - - - -put a gun in the casket with them. Not to defend violent type criminals or really bad people at all, but you must not understand what can be a felon or is a felony some of it's pretty minor and kind of stupid to be classified as a felony. There are some types of stuff classified as misdemeanors that are much more serious than some of the felonies.
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There's probably a lot of felons on this forum that show their collections.
I know of guys who spent hours every week for years in the gt inner city projects of arguably the worst city in America, sharing the Good News. Never have I heard of one of those white and clean cut black guys ever having the kind of harassment or responses from bloods or Cripts as I've seen from some of the forum regulars.
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Is the current law doing its job of keeping guns out of the hands of prohibited persons? rhetorical question Paul?
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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In California, splicing into your neighbor's cable line is a felony. You are going down! Yikes! The horror. Those cable companies are losing a lot of money that way I guess. Hope all is well over your way.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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I see no reason why someone who has paid their debt to society should continue to be punished by losing rights.
On the flip side, we could get rid of the atf....it's a win/win. Except for the rate of recidivism. Within 3 years of their release, 2 out of 3 people are rearrested and more than 50% are incarcerated again And what proportion of those re-incarcerations are for lesser crimes that lead to a probation/parole violation? As many have mentioned, some crimes are felony level but make no sense in regards to "violent" crime, including Ranger Green's comment about tapping into a cable TV feed. Realize, a goodly number of "ex-cons" go back in because of things like petty theft, a glass bottle in a park with a no-glass containers rule, and the like.. Depends on the person's Parole/Probation Officer and the prosecuting attorney. I once helped put a guy back in, a recidivist if you will, for shoplifting a $3 package of burger.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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Isn't only those convicted of certain felonies that can lose their right to possess firearms, either. Certain misdemeanor convictions can result in loss of right to possess firearms, too. Some state's laws can increase the severity above that of federal laws, as well.
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