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I do not claim to be an authority. I can only opine on what I've read and there's a lot of different stories. The book "Citizen Sherman" was pretty good but you never what the author's perspective was. He was a pretty complicated man also ineffective after the war. I think his main claim to fame was his brutal march to the sea.
Was it true that the Sioux squaws cut Custer's ears off and cut out his tongue?
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I heard they stuck sewing awls into his ears.
So he might listen better.
The plains native Americans would often dismember/ disembowel their enemies.
Preferably while still alive.
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So if a fellow wanted to read up on the battle and Custer, what would be the best book or two, out of the hundreds, to read? What about the best documentary on the subject?
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As others have said, Donovan’s “Terrible Trumpets”. It’s the book that introduced me to the LBH, and since then, my fascination with the subject has expanded my reading by a bunch. Philbrick’s “Last Stand”, Evan’s “Son Of The Morning Star”, and Most recently “Custer’s Trials”, by CJ Stiles. Several others as well. The Southern Cheyenne held Custer to be a relative through his “marriage” to Mahnatosee, a Cheyenne Princess after the Battle of Washita. They prevented the Sioux from desecrating his remains. That’s one story anyway. Could also be his premature balding and short cropped hair made his scalp uninteresting. They tore his brother Tom to shreds. Rain In The Face claimed to have cut out his heart. 7mm
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I Love this thread! I’m obsessed with two battles in history, Gettysburg and Little Big Horn! I can’t read enough about both battles. I’ve been to Gettysburg and was in absolute awe and amazement. I will one day visit LBH and am sure I will have the same feelings!
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The wildest deal I read was the horse that was supposed to be on the trip to the LBH
Showed up in its previous stable much later
In St. Louis.
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I heard they stuck sewing awls into his ears.
So he might listen better.
The plains native Americans would often dismember/ disembowel their enemies.
Preferably while still alive. Noble Redmen
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I read that Sherman appointed Phil Sheridan because he hated the Indians as much as he and Grant did. They all wanted them eradicated. There was enough mayhem to go around. The Army would attack villages and murder innocent women and children. They broke every treaty they made with the Indians. The Indians in turn would rape, murder torture and pillage settlers. Custer made a treaty with the Sous a few years I think before Little Big Horn that gave them the Black Hills but the discovery of gold there rendered that treaty null. His mission was to destroy but it got turned upside down. It is a sad part of our history. The Indians won that battle but were destined to loose the war. Not entirely true. Custer never attacked any Indian village without orders from the United States Army. Custer had no dealings with the Black Hills Treaty, he was sent to the Black Hills in 1874 to explore for gold, as there were already whites in the Black Hills looking for gold. Once gold was officially discovered the United States tried to buy the Black Hills back from the Sioux, but the Sioux wouldn’t sell. The treaty was made with the Sioux, but if you really want to pick nits, the reason the Crow Indians scouted for the Army was due to their hatred of the Sioux for taking the Black Hills from the Crow, years before. Manifest destiny was not only a white proposition. White guilt plays into the philosophy of 21st century critics, claiming poor treatment to the Indians of all persuasions. You won’t find in any historical record of a conquering nation that tried to assimilate the conquered people into that society as America did. Many of the attempts at this assimilation was condemned as trying to destroy the Indian and their culture. Although not perfect, the attempt created much of the conflict between both cultures that didn’t make either side totally wrong, just vastly different. This battle continues today… Excellent post!
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I Love this thread! I’m obsessed with two battles in history, Gettysburg and Little Big Horn! I can’t read enough about both battles. I’ve been to Gettysburg and was in absolute awe and amazement. I will one day visit LBH and am sure I will have the same feelings! Interesting you mention Gettysburg and another little known Custer engagement. Custer turned Jeb Stuart around, who was supposed to come in the backside and crush the Union between himself and Lee. All you hear about is Pickett’s charge and Chamberlain at Little Roundtop, not realizing the action of Custer and his 600 Michigan Wolverines, chasing Stuart off and probably saving the day for the Union. “The Custer Myth” by W A Graham, is one of the best books to find out more factual information than regurgitated stories told to people that get rewritten by different authors with no insight. Graham actually corresponded personally with Benteen and others that survived the battle. This book was written from Graham’s contacts and research in the early 20th century when much of the information wasn’t as polluted as it has become.
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Would not have made a difference. They were out numbered & out gunned. Sitting Bull had all the cards. And the Winchesters Winchesters we’re not the deciding factor… They sure didn't hurt anything Well, not outside of some of the troopers.
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I Love this thread! I’m obsessed with two battles in history, Gettysburg and Little Big Horn! I can’t read enough about both battles. I’ve been to Gettysburg and was in absolute awe and amazement. I will one day visit LBH and am sure I will have the same feelings! When you finally get there be sure to go to the museum at Garryowen and take time to visit the National Cemetery by the visitor's center. Also, try to be there June 25th for the anniversary. I was there for the 125th and hope to be there for the 150th in 4 years.
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I've read that a 7th Cavalry mount was found dead at the mouth of the Rosebud with all of the equipment intact including ammo in the saddlebags. There was dried blood on the saddle.
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So if a fellow wanted to read up on the battle and Custer, what would be the best book or two, out of the hundreds, to read? What about the best documentary on the subject? Custer's Last Campaign and Archaeological Perspectives of the Battle of the Little Bighorn are two that I recommend.
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I Love this thread! I’m obsessed with two battles in history, Gettysburg and Little Big Horn! I can’t read enough about both battles. I’ve been to Gettysburg and was in absolute awe and amazement. I will one day visit LBH and am sure I will have the same feelings! Interesting you mention Gettysburg and another little known Custer engagement. Custer turned Jeb Stuart around, who was supposed to come in the backside and crush the Union between himself and Lee. All you hear about is Pickett’s charge and Chamberlain at Little Roundtop, not realizing the action of Custer and his 600 Michigan Wolverines, chasing Stuart off and probably saving the day for the Union. “The Custer Myth” by W A Graham, is one of the best books to find out more factual information than regurgitated stories told to people that get rewritten by different authors with no insight. Graham actually corresponded personally with Benteen and others that survived the battle. This book was written from Graham’s contacts and research in the early 20th century when much of the information wasn’t as polluted as it has become. I've read a lot about Custer and the LBH. Last I read was "A Terrible Glory" by James Donovan. Very well done, I think.
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I Love this thread! I’m obsessed with two battles in history, Gettysburg and Little Big Horn! I can’t read enough about both battles. I’ve been to Gettysburg and was in absolute awe and amazement. I will one day visit LBH and am sure I will have the same feelings! When you finally get there be sure to go to the museum at Garryowen and take time to visit the National Cemetery by the visitor's center. Also, try to be there June 25th for the anniversary. I was there for the 125th and hope to be there for the 150th in 4 years. No museum at Garryowen. Chris Kortlander sold it about 1 1/2 years ago, during Covid and it hasn’t since reopened. I wish it was still open, it had lots of resource materials and Chris was a colorful person to talk to…
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So if a fellow wanted to read up on the battle and Custer, what would be the best book or two, out of the hundreds, to read? What about the best documentary on the subject? Here are a couple of pertinent magazine articles about the aftermath of the battle and what happened to the personal affects of the soldiers killed with Custer...
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Wonder why it garnered so much attention?
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Wonder why it garnered so much attention? Custer was one of the most celebrated Civil War personalities on either side. His accomplishments as well as his brashness and his association with the press, made him a well known war hero. Then to be killed by a bunch of savages, it was more than people would have thought possible. Questions arose as to how and why such an individual could have been killed and the subsequent depositions and the Reno Court of Inquiry brought attention to Custer and that battle…
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Thank you, and to the others with recommendations, that is some great stuff.
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