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Never mind multimil $$$ budget items. Doors can be wired with alarms. Door not shut for selected time, then audible/visual alarms. Legitimate movement of bodies thru the door, alarms disabled while coded key within range. That is, there must be an authorized key holder within say Bluetooth range. That puts the authority figure in close proximity to the door. What did I miss?
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Our small rural school has all doors closed and locked.
I don't get it either.
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We visited my wife's aunt in a nursing home, they run a tight ship.
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Schools, governments, and people can do everything right 99.9% of the time and it only takes that .01% for the bad guy to get lucky. Like a teacher going to her car to get her cell phone and propping a door open. That was about the dumbest move I have ever seen by trained "professional". Next to waiting 40 minutes in a hallway.
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Kids in the high school where I taught for 20-somwthing years learned to wedge textbooks, or even pebbles into the door jambs to keep the panic bars from locking the doors to outside entry. City fire codes prevented disabling fire exits, and the school had over 100 fire doors. Kids would disable the automatic locks to let their drug pushers roam the halls disguised as students. Try controlling 3000+ high school brats sometime!
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In a free society the only real defense is the individual being ready to fight back. Locks, doors and bars can all be defeated by a determined attacker.
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Any time a locked door is the shortest way between point A and point B, people are gonna prop it open.
Only way to stop it is have an alarm.
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IMO, 1) An armed SRO should open the school for business each morning. 2) An armed SRO should also shut the school down every afternoon. 3) There should be a armed SRO on school grounds AT ALL TIMES! If a SRO wants/needs to leave the school grounds, it is their responsibility to see that their vacancy is covered.
Not sure about other states or other cities. It is the responsibility of the school district to hire/pay their SRO. The SRO is "licensed" under the local PD. (the same way a RN can treat a patient under a doctors medical license)
Harrold ISD in north Texas has had armed teachers and bus drivers for about 10 to 15 years now. Harrold ISD is 45 minutes from the nearest law enforcement office. Nobody knows who or where armed staff is.
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Any time a locked door is the shortest way between point A and point B, people are gonna prop it open.
Only way to stop it is have an alarm. How about a school district policy? You block a locked door open, you're fired!
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Any time a locked door is the shortest way between point A and point B, people are gonna prop it open.
Only way to stop it is have an alarm. How about a school district policy? You block a locked door open, you're fired! ^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Schools must be run that way!!! Otherwise who ever blocks the door is involved in the crime, wittingly or unwittingly.
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I don't remember seeing it mentioned anywhere, but it was probably the "smoker's door "
Some years ago my mother worked at a nursing home, and that was what the employees did, prop a door open for the benefit of those that could sneak back for a couple of puffs. That stopped when a few of the elderly people decided to waltz on out to who knows where. Then they had a detector of some kind that sounded an alarm when one of the special bracelet wearing residents would try to pass. An elderly woman defeated that by stripping everything from her body, bracelet clothes underwear and all and running naked out the door and out through the neighborhood
More than a few places I've worked had " smoker's doors" propped open when they were supposed to be securely locked. Those sliding security grates too.
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Some schools have an open campus with multiple buildings. Kids travel between buildings each hour when the bell rings. Not as easy as it sounds to keep all doors locked and guarded. Warmer climates typically have schools like this. The Uvalde school may have also been this way. Schools I attended in California were like this back in the day.
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Kids in the high school where I taught for 20-somwthing years learned to wedge textbooks, or even pebbles into the door jambs to keep the panic bars from locking the doors to outside entry. City fire codes prevented disabling fire exits, and the school had over 100 fire doors. Kids would disable the automatic locks to let their drug pushers roam the halls disguised as students. Try controlling 3000+ high school brats sometime! It was only 1500 in my case and we only had about 20 doors to watch. kwg
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In a free society the only real defense is the individual being ready to fight back. Locks, doors and bars can all be defeated by a determined attacker. Agree 100%. Seems as though most teachers are liberal, and wouldn't be armed if they had the option. I have a half sister that's a teacher and I know she wouldn't tote a handgun. She sure complained about citizens having (weapons of war). I told her perp could have done same thing with a pump shotgun and his pockets full of shells.
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I've said the same thing for years. Grandpa's 100yr-old Model 12 shotgun with no plug is plenty deadly when you know you aren't going to run into anybody else with a gun. So is a 150yr old lever gun. It's not the availability of the equipment that's the problem, but instead the disturbed mind with evil intent. We all know that.
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-sc...closed-door-gunman-entered-propping-openBeyondWords A lawyer for a Uvalde teacher that the Texas Department of Public Safety says left a door ajar just before a gunman entered Robb Elementary School is contesting that timeline, saying that the teacher actually closed the door as she called 911 when she saw there was an active shooter.
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Looks like from that article, the teacher accused of leaving the door propped opened has “lawyered up”. He or she probably needs a armed bodyguard if they still reside in Uvalde.
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The problem is everybody is chirping about gun control. "Sensible Gun Control". There is no sensible gun control. Why not focus on hardening the schools? That won't help either because we've lost our culture. This didn't happen fifty years ago. There was the Whitman attack at UT in Austin from the bell tower. With all the maniac agenda items the democrats and atheists push like gender identity, LGBT, abortion, etc. life is becoming less important. Antifa and BLM kill with impunity and the media blames it on everybody but the perp. We need to be rid of the democrat party and most republicans holding office now.
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