24hourcampfire.com
24hourcampfire.com
-->
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,864
Likes: 6
2
2ndwind Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
2
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,864
Likes: 6
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-predictable-problems-will-surface-soon/

This article is poorly written. It sounds like this is a move to destroy older vehicles engines? Like on purpose....


Please don't feed the trolls!
GB1

Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,864
Likes: 6
2
2ndwind Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
2
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,864
Likes: 6
Biden Administration Quietly Raised Amount of Ethanol Required in Gasoline from Ten Percent to Fifteen, Three Predictable Problems Will Surface Soon

June 6, 2022 | Sundance | 410 Comments

Last Friday the Biden administration raised the mandatory amount of biofuel, specifically ethanol, that must be blended within the U.S. gasoline supply. The previous amount of 10% was raised to 15% by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). This is likely to lead to two sets of bigger issues, less food and higher gas prices.

♦ First issue. – The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) is a government mandate, passed in 2005 and expanded in 2007, that requires growing volumes of biofuels to be blended into U.S. transportation fuels like gasoline and diesel every year. Approximately 40 percent of corn grown in the U.S. is used for ethanol. Raising the amount of ethanol required in gasoline will result in the need for more biofuel (corn). With farming costs and outputs already under pressure this could be problematic.



♦ Second issue – The EPA enforces the biofuel standard by requiring refineries to submit purchase credits (known as Renewable Identification Numbers, or RINs) to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) proving the purchases. This enforcement requirement sets up a system where the RIN credits are bought and sold by small refineries who do not have the infrastructure to do the blending process. They purchase second-hand RIN credits from parties that blended or imported biofuels directly. This sets up a secondary income stream, a trading market for the larger oil companies, refineries and importers.

The RIN credit trading platform is similar to what we might expect to see if the ‘Carbon Trading’ scheme was ever put into place. However, now that the biofuel requirements for blended gasoline have gone from 10% to 15%, the price of the RIN credits will likely jump. This will cost refineries billions in additional expenses,…. which will mean the cost of the gasoline from the refineries will increase,….. which will mean the cost of the gasoline at the pump will go higher.


The EPA theory is that RIN credits should be expensive thereby forcing all oil refineries to invest in infrastructure that makes the blended fuel. All of the infrastructure from the refinery to the gas station would need to be modified to facilitate the new 15% RFS standard. Again, higher prices at the pumps as a result of oil companies and refineries needing to spend billions on upgrades. Which brings us to issue number three.

♦ Third Issue – “Ethanol is a valuable source of octane in finished gasoline, but it is chemically different than petroleum gasoline and cannot be used in concentrations above 10 percent in small engines — like outboard boat motors, motorcycles, lawnmowers, generators or chain saws — or in any cars made before 2001. Complicating matters further, most cars on the road today still aren’t warrantied to run on gasoline with more than 10 percent ethanol. Retail stations also must have compatible infrastructure in order to sell gasoline with higher ethanol blends.” This issue is known within the industry as “The Blend Wall.”

The net result of Joe Biden’s EPA raising the mandatory amount of biofuel that must be present in the U.S. gas supply is this:

(1) Less food as more corn is needed for ethanol.
(2) Higher prices for finished and blended gasoline.
(3) Vehicle engines breaking down at a much higher rate.
The predictable Biden outcome is the absolute worst scenario for the middle-class.


Please don't feed the trolls!
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 61,304
Likes: 31
W
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
W
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 61,304
Likes: 31
I buy it when I can.


These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
"May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,614
Likes: 2
D
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
D
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 4,614
Likes: 2
The total destruction of the middle class is the real plan. Destruction of older cars is just a little bonus for them. $10.00+ gas is the immediate goal.


‘TO LEARN WHO RULES OVER YOU, SIMPLY FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE’

Conspiracy theorists are the ones who see it all coming…

You are the carbon they want to eliminate !

I’m Uber Deplorable Ultra MAGA !
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 28,550
Likes: 9
A
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
A
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 28,550
Likes: 9
Ethanol been fugking up engines since the last 20 years plus


[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]
IC B2

Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 38,943
Likes: 12
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 38,943
Likes: 12
It is the second step in the planned destruction of what we consider to be civilization. 10% was the foot in the door. 85% is lurking to begin the final downfall. If we had been on our toes we would have eliminated the production of corn when this first started. Now all is lost.


Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.

Happily Trapped In the Past (Thanks, Joe)

Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,848
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,848
Why not allow MTBE again? Just outlaw it for marine use?



Quando omni flunkus moritati
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,864
Likes: 6
2
2ndwind Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
2
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,864
Likes: 6
Is the corn used in ethanol field corn or something not eaten by people? They are talking about famine due to grain embargo by Russia.... IIRC corn is a crop that needs a lot of fertilizer? Not sure even the MSM can keep this quite?

Seems like an attack on people that are driving our long paid for trucks. A plan to force us off our mountain ridge tops....

Pass this on if that seems like the goal to you.


Please don't feed the trolls!
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 61,304
Likes: 31
W
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
W
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 61,304
Likes: 31
Henry Ford designed the 'T", to run on menthol. His autos built the petroleum industry.


These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
"May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
Joined: Dec 2020
Posts: 831
Likes: 3
G
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
G
Joined: Dec 2020
Posts: 831
Likes: 3
Their next trick will be sawdust in the bread we buy.


They will vote our way into socialism, We will have to shoot our way out.

Every major horror in the world was perpetrated in the name of altruism.

Just how big is Aroostook County you ask?
IC B3

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 30,995
Likes: 26
T
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
T
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 30,995
Likes: 26
bought 5 gallon of real gas yesterday.....

storage

eth free 88 octane

$5.39 gallon

F

J

B


T R U M P W O N !

U L T R A M A G A !

Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,004
Likes: 3
I
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
I
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 2,004
Likes: 3
Funny thing ,, a lot of Midwest ethanol plants closed or were closing due to lack of profits. What I remember $2 corn lots of profit, $4 corn needed subsidies to make profit and anything Over $5 broke them, corn today closed at$7.43 July futures so how is new 15% standard even going to work


We might have to be neighbors, but I don’t have to be neighborly. John Chisum
Joined: Dec 2021
Posts: 3,596
Likes: 6
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2021
Posts: 3,596
Likes: 6
Originally Posted by 2ndwind
Is the corn used in ethanol field corn or something not eaten by people? They are talking about famine due to grain embargo by Russia.... IIRC corn is a crop that needs a lot of fertilizer? Not sure even the MSM can keep this quite?

Seems like an attack on people that are driving our long paid for trucks. A plan to force us off our mountain ridge tops....

Pass this on if that seems like the goal to you.

Corn for ethanol production is what's termed "field corn".
Larger ears and larger kernels than sweet corn or not popcorn.
It's normally grown as stock feed. When the gummint started offering incentives for corn for ethanol production, farmers went nuts! They put CRP lands into production and raised more and more corn.
Most of what they grow for ethanol production is some sort of hybrid GMO. The GMO supposedly stops diseases and insects.
....but GMO corn still "corn" and okay to eat.

I grew up as a kid eating "field corn" (Yellow Dent) both creamed and on the cob!
With an ear of field corn, you didn't have to chew half the cob to get a mouthful! 🚜🌽🌽🌽

Last edited by martinstrummer; 06/06/22.
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,825
Likes: 3
A
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
A
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 19,825
Likes: 3
Corn isn't the only grain going into ethanol production. Milo from central Kansas get trucked into Nebraska daily to feed the ethanol plant(s) up there.

Ed


"Not in an open forum, where truth has less value than opinions, where all opinions are equally welcome regardless of their origins, rationale, inanity, or truth, where opinions are neither of equal value nor decisive." Ken Howell



Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 19,644
Likes: 18
B
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
B
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 19,644
Likes: 18
Originally Posted by wabigoon
Henry Ford designed the 'T", to run on menthol. His autos built the petroleum industry.


Interesting.

Kools?


MAGA
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 61,304
Likes: 31
W
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
W
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 61,304
Likes: 31
The dried distillers grain, the byproduct, is a protein feed.


These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
"May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,864
Likes: 6
2
2ndwind Offline OP
Campfire Ranger
OP Offline
Campfire Ranger
2
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,864
Likes: 6
I had to go to 2 different auto parts stores to fine 2 5 gal gas cans.... 38.00 each. wrote the date on them after filling up with premium no ethanol gas. Thought about fuel stabilizer but the container said it was only good for 1 year of storage. Is 6 Months a reasonable time to keep untreated gas?


Please don't feed the trolls!
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 19,827
Likes: 2
T
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
T
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 19,827
Likes: 2
Generally six moths is fine and it used to be a year wasn't really a problem. Who knows these days.


"Be sure you're right. Then go ahead." Fess Parker as Davy Crockett
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,917
Likes: 65
J
Campfire Kahuna
Offline
Campfire Kahuna
J
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 60,917
Likes: 65
Originally Posted by Whiptail
Why not allow MTBE again? Just outlaw it for marine use?

Isn't it everyone's ground water now?


I am MAGA.
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 24,426
Likes: 5
7
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
7
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 24,426
Likes: 5
Haven't bought any ethanol in maybe 10 years except traveling out of state

Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
AX24

102 members (7mm_Loco, 264mag, 280Ackleyrized, 300_savage, 15 invisible), 1,746 guests, and 906 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums81
Topics1,194,538
Posts18,531,060
Members74,039
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023


 


Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2024 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.109s Queries: 54 (0.037s) Memory: 0.9049 MB (Peak: 1.0079 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2024-05-23 06:32:15 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS