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Kaywoodie, Wasn't Ft. Clark in Rio Grande City ?? Rio7
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Kaywoodie, Wasn't Ft. Clark in Rio Grande City ?? Rio7 Kaywoodie, Wasn't Ft. Clark in Rio Grande City ?? Rio7 It was Fort Ringgold in Rio Grande City, Blue
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There was a show on the History channel about the Comanche. This was years ago when they actually did shows about history, rather than 4 straight hours in a pawn shop.
This was a 2 hour show and it featured Fehrenbach, had him on for 15 or 20 minutes, he was an interesting interview. I remember he talked about the "last stand" up in a canyon in N. Texas or maybe Colorado, in the 1870s, hundreds of Comanche were hiding in there, the Army came in there and annihilated hundreds of horses in the Comanche herd, they figured "No horse, no Comanche." They were talking about Palo Duro Canyon, in the TX Panhandle Region. And Quanah Parker’s Band of Comanches. it’s just south of Amarillo. Everything for them revolved around the horse, they would even eat them when they had to. I wonder how they treated their horses generally, cruelly, kindly?
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I know where Ft. Ringgold is, it's big grade school now, where was Ft. Clark? Blue
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Woo Hooo! Got it, Josiah Gregg... Commerce of the Prairies A great read from someone who was there.
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Blue, Ft. Clark was at Brackettville
Birdy, you see the other book I posted above?? Another participant that also went down the Chihuahua trail.
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I wonder how they treated their horses generally, cruelly, kindly? Dunno, on the one hand you read about them being accomplished breeders and traders of fine horses and mules. OTOH there’s accounts of them cutting steaks out of live horses, might have made them taste better, like the Chinese boiling live dogs.
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Birdy, Gregg was also what I’d call one of us. A gun nut!!! You’ll find out when you read it. Also if you can find Lt. James W Abert’s journal of his topographical expedition of the Canadian river 1845, its a must!!! Comanches would not bother them whole they rode across the present Texas Panhandle. They asked a band of Kiowa why the Comanches were avoiding them and they said their (Abert’s party) medicine was too great!
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There was a show on the History channel about the Comanche. This was years ago when they actually did shows about history, rather than 4 straight hours in a pawn shop.
This was a 2 hour show and it featured Fehrenbach, had him on for 15 or 20 minutes, he was an interesting interview. I remember he talked about the "last stand" up in a canyon in N. Texas or maybe Colorado, in the 1870s, hundreds of Comanche were hiding in there, the Army came in there and annihilated hundreds of horses in the Comanche herd, they figured "No horse, no Comanche." They were talking about Palo Duro Canyon, in the TX Panhandle Region. And Quanah Parker’s Band of Comanches. it’s just south of Amarillo. Everything for them revolved around the horse, they would even eat them when they had to. Even? That's how "dogs" came to be. What other creature would follow another animal around for scraps, waiting to be eaton? Hell Pat I'm sure I've eaten dog and cat when I've bought street tamales, it's all good when you're hungry.
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Tks for the book reference Bob. Ranald MacKenzie was the real deal. A major factor in his breaking the Comanche’s will to fight was the capture of their women and children. It worked for John Moore when he hit the Comanches, 1840, on the Colorado. Worked for Custer 1868 (??) on the Washita, and Custer was probably intending to take captive at the Little Bighorn. It sure lessened the risk of counterattack on the way home.
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Didn't think of Brackettville? thought maybe Del Rio, live and learn. This is the best thread i can remember on the fire. Thank you all, keep it going. Rio7
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There was a show on the History channel about the Comanche. This was years ago when they actually did shows about history, rather than 4 straight hours in a pawn shop.
This was a 2 hour show and it featured Fehrenbach, had him on for 15 or 20 minutes, he was an interesting interview. I remember he talked about the "last stand" up in a canyon in N. Texas or maybe Colorado, in the 1870s, hundreds of Comanche were hiding in there, the Army came in there and annihilated hundreds of horses in the Comanche herd, they figured "No horse, no Comanche." They were talking about Palo Duro Canyon, in the TX Panhandle Region. And Quanah Parker’s Band of Comanches. it’s just south of Amarillo. Everything for them revolved around the horse, they would even eat them when they had to. Even? That's how "dogs" came to be. What other creature would follow another animal around for scraps, waiting to be eaton? Hell Pat I'm sure I've eaten dog and cat when I've bought street tamales, it's all good when you're hungry. They still eat donkeys in Mexico, “burrito” ain’t always a metaphor.
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Didn't think of Brackettville? thought maybe Del Rio, live and learn. This is the best thread i can remember on the fire. Thank you all, keep it going. Rio7 Fort Clark, Brackettville, also Fort Duncan at Eagle Pass, right on the river.
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Birdy, Gregg was also what I’d call one of us. A gun nut!!! You’ll find out when you read it. Also if you can find Lt. James W Abert’s journal of his topographical expedition of the Canadian river 1845, its a must!!! Comanches would not bother them whole they rode across the present Texas Panhandle. They asked a band of Kiowa why the Comanches were avoiding them and they said their (Abert’s party) medicine was too great! The Comanches were RIGHT, James Abert was a man of DESTINY 🙂 ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/YCDSZ3NR/415-BDAFC-C409-48-DF-8-F42-94509550-D273.jpg) ABERT’S TOWHEE
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Tks for the book reference Bob. Ranald MacKenzie was the real deal. A major factor in his breaking the Comanche’s will to fight was the capture of their women and children. It worked for John Moore when he hit the Comanches, 1840, on the Colorado. Worked for Custer 1868 (??) on the Washita, and Custer was probably intending to take captive at the Little Bighorn. It sure lessened the risk of counterattack on the way home. Yep. MacKenzie was a bad ass. I didn’t realize he was stationed at Fort Concho, with the Buffalo Soldiers, at the time of the Red River War & The Battle of Palo Duro Canyon. That would be a brutal horseback ride.
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Birdy, Gregg was also what I’d call one of us. A gun nut!!! You’ll find out when you read it. Also if you can find Lt. James W Abert’s journal of his topographical expedition of the Canadian river 1845, its a must!!! Comanches would not bother them whole they rode across the present Texas Panhandle. They asked a band of Kiowa why the Comanches were avoiding them and they said their (Abert’s party) medicine was too great! The Comanches were RIGHT, James Abert was a man of DESTINY 🙂 ABERT’S TOWHEEMike, any luck on locating Abert’s Journal, that Bob referenced ?
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There was a show on the History channel about the Comanche. This was years ago when they actually did shows about history, rather than 4 straight hours in a pawn shop.
This was a 2 hour show and it featured Fehrenbach, had him on for 15 or 20 minutes, he was an interesting interview. I remember he talked about the "last stand" up in a canyon in N. Texas or maybe Colorado, in the 1870s, hundreds of Comanche were hiding in there, the Army came in there and annihilated hundreds of horses in the Comanche herd, they figured "No horse, no Comanche." They were talking about Palo Duro Canyon, in the TX Panhandle Region. And Quanah Parker’s Band of Comanches. it’s just south of Amarillo. Everything for them revolved around the horse, they would even eat them when they had to. Even? That's how "dogs" came to be. What other creature would follow another animal around for scraps, waiting to be eaton? Hell Pat I'm sure I've eaten dog and cat when I've bought street tamales, it's all good when you're hungry. No doubt. It just gets tiring, listening to people try to change history.
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Didn't think of Brackettville? thought maybe Del Rio, live and learn. This is the best thread i can remember on the fire. Thank you all, keep it going. Rio7 I concur 110%. Texas history is such a broad subject, and the shame of it is that so many of us know little more about it than the Alamo, San Jacinto, and Sam Houston's opposition to secession. On that note, I'll just sit quietly and try to absorb some of this.
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Didn't think of Brackettville? thought maybe Del Rio, live and learn. This is the best thread i can remember on the fire. Thank you all, keep it going. Rio7 I concur 110%. Texas history is such a broad subject, and the shame of it is that so many of us know little more about it than the Alamo, San Jacinto, and Sam Houston's opposition to secession. On that note, I'll just sit quietly and try to absorb some of this. Yep. Some of the best threads on the Fire !
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I read about Texas history on the internet.
Mexico gave Texas to the United States in 1845.
That's about it.
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