Several months ago, Jon Allen, Co-Founder of Tract Optics, graciously agreed to provide me with one of their Toric UHD Hunting Rifle Scopes. When discussing the review, I explained I would be checking tracking, zero retention, and return to zero. Checking those items would include drop test mimicking actual drops I had experienced with my scopes over the years, which were knocking them over while on a bipod and knocking them over from a leaning position. The eval would be objective, and the results were going to be posted without modification.
Tract promptly sent me the FFP MRAD/MRAD version, which, out of the available variations, would be my choice for a hunting scope. Packaging was protective and kept the scope in good shape. Included was a 3” sunshade which I used throughout the entire evaluation, a lens cloth, and hex wrenches appropriate for setting the zero stop and zeroing turrets.
Toric UHD Hunting Scope In The Box
The elevation turret is a locking turret to prevent inadvertent adjustment. You raise the turret to adjust and then push it back down to lock it. It works as designed. The elevation turret is fairly tall, approaching the height of the turret found on the SWFA SS fixed power scopes. I'm not sure it that adds in elevation travel, or not, but the elevation travel is good, advertised at 30 mils. With the 20 MOA rail on my rifle, I had 20 mils of remaining elevation travel after zero. The windage turret is capped. I like to dial for range and hold for windage, so actually prefer a capped windage turret when I can get it. This windage turret is a little bigger/ taller than the one on the LRHS, but is not obtrusive in any way.
Elevation Turret Locked
Elevation Turret Unlocked
Windage Turret Uncapped.
The reticle is simple when compared to many of today's milliradian based reticles. In my mind, for a hunting rifle, this is a good thing. The center portion of the reticle is a little thicker than many, subtending .05 mils. Again, on a hunting rifle I view this as a good thing. I shot a pig using the scope at about 100 yards at sunset +30 minutes with magnification set on 6x and did not struggle to see the center portion of the reticle. The post are .5 mils thick. The horizontal posts end at 9.5 mils from center, allowing me to hold for a >100mph wind at 600 yards. Way more windage reference than will ever be necessary, but on the other hand, the post do not obstruct the field of view in any way, which makes it easier to spot your impacts. The bottom post is 10.5 mils from center, enough elevation to get the same 6.5 Creedmoor load to 1210 yards without dialing. If I were to improve the reticle, I would thicken the post to 1 mil, bring the horizontal post in to 5 mils from center, and bring the vertical post up to 1.3 mils below center. This would allow you to more effectively use the horizontal post for bracketing vitals at close range in low light engagements at low magnification or hold the pointed tip of the vertical post directly on your desired POI at 25 yards, and be dead on, as with the THLR reticle.
Toric Hunting Scope Mil Reticle.
Tract advertises using Schott glass, and it is superb. This scope has as good an image quality as I have ever seen, better than my LRTSi and DMR II Pro scopes, and right up there with any alphas I have looked through.
The scope was mounted on my primary hunting rifle, a Jon Beanland barreled Bighorn Origin riding in an MPA BA Ultralite chassis. The barreled action is torqued to 65 In/lbs. The action screws are treated with blue Loctite. The mounting system consisted of a Bighorn 20 MOA extended Picatinny rail and Seekins 30mm low rings. All fasteners were torqued to manufacturer's recommended specs and secured with blue Loctite.
Toric UHD Hunting Scope On Rifle
After zeroing, I removed the scope from the rifle and placed it on my Targets USA Scope Tool. This is a rock solid setup, weighing about 30 pounds, and when set on my concrete supported shooting bench, allowed no uncommanded movement during the static tracking test.
Toric UHD Hunting Scope Mounted on Targets USA Scope Tool.
The short version is the scope tracked perfectly during the static tracking test. While I had 20 mils of elevation adjustment left after zero, I tested the tracking up to ten mils of elevation and the scope tracked perfectly, hitting every dot, spaced 1 mil apart at the appropriate adjustment. There was no left or right deviation during vertical adjustment. I also adjusted two mils left and two mils right and repeated the test with perfect results. Turret clicks were positive with minimal movement between clicks. The clicks are distinct, a little more so than my beloved Bushnell LRTSi and a little less so than a friend's Athlon Cronus.
Tracking Target
With the static tracking test complete, I removed the scope from the scope tool and remounted it on my rifle to conduct the live fire tracking test on the same target at a later date. As expected, even after removing the scope and replacing on the rifle, it was within .2 mils of POA. I fired a five shot group, made the adjustment and went right to live fire tracking. On the live fire tracking test, I only went up to 8 mils of elevation due to my target berm not being tall enough to stop a bullet above that. The test was conducted by aiming at the bottom dot, making a 1 mil adjustment and shoot another group while still aiming at the bottom dot all the way up to 8 mils of elevation. You can see that all groups impacted about .1 mil high in relation to the orange dots which were 1 mil apart. In hindsight I should have fired another group to after the adjustment verify zero, but that rookie mistake was my fault, not the scope's. The scope tracked very consistently with every group impacting the same place in relation to the respective dots all the way through 8 mils of elevation. Once I completed the live fire tracking test, I climbed up on my shooting platform and engaged my 900 yard target, resulting in first round impact as expected. The scope tracks as it should.
Live Fire Tracking Results
To check zero retention, the rifle and scope rode uncased in my UTV over miles of washboard dirt roads and through rough pastures and drop test consisting of drops and knock overs that I had actually accidentally done in the past. I have had a name brand scope completely fail after riding in a padded case over that exact same road and through the exact same pastures. Before I did the drop test, my rifle was due a cleaning, so I cleaned it. I also had to load another batch of ammo to continue testing. I fired two five shot groups to foul the bore with the clean barrel and new batch of ammo. The rifle settled in during shots 6-10. It was not perfectly zeroed, but I didn't pursue it, as my goal was to determine whether the scope would maintain the same POI after being dropped. Shots 11-15 were after two drops from the leaning position. I leaned the scoped rifle against my bench and pushed it over so that it fell while pivoting on the butt pad. I did this once to the left and once to the right and then fired a group, shots 11-15. POI was the same in relation to POA, no zero shift. After shots 11-15, I put the scoped rifle on my shooting mat, resting on the bipod. I then knocked it over twice in each direction then fired shots 16-20. Again, no change in POI in relation to POA, no zero shift. The Tract Toric Hunting Scope withstood impacts I have previously experienced, withstood vibrations and jolts in the UTV that all my scopes are routinely subjected to, and retained zero. Not all scopes I have had in the past have survived that.
Upright Knock Overs
Bipod Knock Overs
In summary, the Tract Toric Hunting Scope is a very nice, high quality, rugged, functional long range hunting scope. It tracks as it should, retains zero through real world abuse, has a useful feature set and superb image quality. I like it.
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Very good job on the review. I've been singing their praises for a while now. The quality that Tract provides at the price point is excellent IMHO & experience
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Thanks for your efforts and detailed results. You're definitely a better shot than I am BTW! I switched two rimfires to the Tract 3-9 BDC and really love their performace.
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John, Did i miss it or did you forget to include what the power range was for this scope? 3-10, 4-14..fixed power..? Good write-up just curious which scope you used. Thanks, Bill
John, Did i miss it or did you forget to include what the power range was for this scope? 3-10, 4-14..fixed power..? Good write-up just curious which scope you used. Thanks, Bill
I neglected to mention it because this scope model is only available in 2.5-15.
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
John, Did i miss it or did you forget to include what the power range was for this scope? 3-10, 4-14..fixed power..? Good write-up just curious which scope you used. Thanks, Bill
I neglected to mention it because this scope model is only available in 2.5-15.
Not sure how many scopes I’ll be buying henceforth, but Tract is certainly on the short list. My Toric 3-15 sits on a heavy-barrel .22 and has been excellent.
.... ..... If I were to improve the reticle, I would thicken the post to 1 mil, bring the horizontal post in to 5 mils from center, and bring the vertical post up to 1.3 mils below center. This would allow you to more effectively use the horizontal post for bracketing vitals at close range in low light engagements at low magnification or hold the pointed tip of the vertical post directly on your desired POI at 25 yards, and be dead on, as with the THLR reticle.
Toric Hunting Scope Mil Reticle. .....
Had it come with the reticle you described, or even a basic 5 mil opening in all directions I would have already purchased one. For a hunting scope, or even a target scope, I don't need the extra windage holds. I often do need the bold outer posts close enough to bracket game in low light or broken background.
.... ..... If I were to improve the reticle, I would thicken the post to 1 mil, bring the horizontal post in to 5 mils from center, and bring the vertical post up to 1.3 mils below center. This would allow you to more effectively use the horizontal post for bracketing vitals at close range in low light engagements at low magnification or hold the pointed tip of the vertical post directly on your desired POI at 25 yards, and be dead on, as with the THLR reticle.
Toric Hunting Scope Mil Reticle. .....
Had it come with the reticle you described, or even a basic 5 mil opening in all directions I would have already purchased one. For a hunting scope, or even a target scope, I don't need the extra windage holds. I often do need the bold outer posts close enough to bracket game in low light or broken background.
Thanks for the review!
You don't have to use the extra windage marks, just ignore them
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Interesting. The scope shows promise and I'm glad to see it. Did I read that correctly that Tract provided this scope for testing? And they knew you were going to be doing some drops and durability testing? If yes, I find that even more interesting. And promising. Maybe they are coming around on the idea of testing for zero retention? That sure would be a good thing. I say that because on the other site that was doing controlled drop tests, the Tract person there avoided every durability conversation like it was the plague. This is good to see. Thanks for doing the test and posting results.
Interesting. The scope shows promise and I'm glad to see it. Did I read that correctly that Tract provided this scope for testing? And they knew you were going to be doing some drops and durability testing? If yes, I find that even more interesting. And promising. Maybe they are coming around on the idea of testing for zero retention? That sure would be a good thing. I say that because on the other site that was doing controlled drop tests, the Tract person there avoided every durability conversation like it was the plague. This is good to see. Thanks for doing the test and posting results.
Some of the folks on Rok Slide requested the Formidilosus style zero retention test. I called Jon Allen and he was absolutely on board, so I will be holding on to the scope for a while longer to conduct those test.
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Thank you for such a great write up. I’ve been wanting to get that same scope but haven’t yet. It sounds like you’re building up some credit with them. Fingers crossed they will consider your ideas on the reticle for this hunting series model. I still plan to get this one but what you’ve said about the extended posts makes a ton of sense to me. Thanks again.
You don't have to use the extra windage marks, just ignore them
The issue is the appearance off the FFP reticle on the lowest power when all that can be seen in lower light is the solid post.
I love FFP but wouldn't consider one without illumination.
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You don't have to use the extra windage marks, just ignore them
The issue is the appearance off the FFP reticle on the lowest power when all that can be seen in lower light is the solid post.
I love FFP but wouldn't consider one without illumination.
With a properly designed reticle, illum wouldn’t be needed.
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Thanks for the great write up. I truly enjoyed my conversations with Jon at the Great western Hunting Expo and the international sportsman’s expo. Jon is very knowledgeable but is an extremely humble guy. It’s unfortunate more people you talk to at those shows aren’t like him.
Interesting. The scope shows promise and I'm glad to see it. Did I read that correctly that Tract provided this scope for testing? And they knew you were going to be doing some drops and durability testing? If yes, I find that even more interesting. And promising. Maybe they are coming around on the idea of testing for zero retention? That sure would be a good thing. I say that because on the other site that was doing controlled drop tests, the Tract person there avoided every durability conversation like it was the plague. This is good to see. Thanks for doing the test and posting results.
Some of the folks on Rok Slide requested the Formidilosus style zero retention test. I called Jon Allen and he was absolutely on board, so I will be holding on to the scope for a while longer to conduct those test.
John
So then why didn’t he (or whoever the Tract rep was/is on Rokslide, JWTract) join the party over there and offer a scope to test? That guy did the opposite. He got incredibly evasive once the questions started. So evasive that many folks said they’d no longer consider a Tract scope due to the way questions were dodged. Whatever the case, thanks for taking the time to post your findings here.
John, Did i miss it or did you forget to include what the power range was for this scope? 3-10, 4-14..fixed power..? Good write-up just curious which scope you used. Thanks, Bill
I neglected to mention it because this scope model is only available in 2.5-15.
In this series of rifle scopes you have 4 different reticle choices, my personal preference was the SFP BDC reticle. the mrad/mrad used in the test would have been my last choice of the 4. Great write up
For anyone serious about scope performance, a reliable, solid bench mounted scope checker like the one pictured is a tool that will pay for itself many times over.
Interesting. The scope shows promise and I'm glad to see it. Did I read that correctly that Tract provided this scope for testing? And they knew you were going to be doing some drops and durability testing? If yes, I find that even more interesting. And promising. Maybe they are coming around on the idea of testing for zero retention? That sure would be a good thing. I say that because on the other site that was doing controlled drop tests, the Tract person there avoided every durability conversation like it was the plague. This is good to see. Thanks for doing the test and posting results.
Some of the folks on Rok Slide requested the Formidilosus style zero retention test. I called Jon Allen and he was absolutely on board, so I will be holding on to the scope for a while longer to conduct those test.
John
Awesome. Thanks for doing the 3' drop zero retention. Looking forward reading the results.
Visiting the reticle again... If someone likes the reticle and wants a 9 mils of windage hold or likes the 18+ mil spacing between the outer post, then great for you. The closer heavy bars are beneficial for the hunting I do, both long and short. On a target it's fine to ignore the extra hashes. While hunting in low light, broken backgrounds, or faster target acquisition, the extra spacing hurts...this can't be "ignored".
After using a lot of reticles, the following is really, really good for a FFP hunting reticle....I think the only improvement I'd recommend is limiting illumination to only the inner .5 mil plex...or even removing illumination to lighten the scope and simplify:
GOOD illumination,is NEVER a "compromise" and is rather soothing in The Jungle. Hint.
The TT above,is very 1-6x FFP Lit Bitch HD-esque,though shy of same. Hint.
1x here. Hint.
6x here. No big deal to stretch it to 1000yds++ or gun it like a RDS. It is an amazingly handy bitch. Hint.
The 2-12x Gen2 FFP Mil/Mil Lit Bitch's reticle is squarely sensational for killing. That again,no matter the distance. Hint.
Just sayin'.
Hint.................
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Great review John. Regarding your suggestions for the reticle, I concur with the following additional modification—I would add a relatively small 0.05mil floating center dot instead of the intersecting crosshairs at the center. This would allow for a fine aiming point on paper and small targets.
Originally Posted by 16penny
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I like the TT reticle, but it could be improved. I have the SS 1-6HD and it’s reticle is probably the closest to the do it all FFP reticle out there but I’d still change a couple of things for a long range capable hunting scope. I’d remove the CQB circle and probably the upper post to declutter the FOV for spotting your own impacts and in a higher magnification application like the Toric Hunter, I’d thin up the center portion to probably .05 or maybe .07 mils, and I really like what the THLR reticle does with its bottom post. It brings it up to 1.3 mils below center so you can use it for a dead on hold for close range, so I’d do that.
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Brokedick Crying Karens,will never not Whine. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Have found JES rebores (and those from other companies, such as Classic Barrel & Gunworks) often shoot better than the original barrel. As more than one reborer has suggested, this may due to the heat built up during boring out to a larger caliber, which "heat-treats" and therefore stabilizes the barrel. And then the barrel is cut-rifled, which doesn't introduce any stress to the barrel.
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Have found JES rebores (and those from other companies, such as Classic Barrel & Gunworks) often shoot better than the original barrel. As more than one reborer has suggested, this may due to the heat built up during boring out to a larger caliber, which "heat-treats" and therefore stabilizes the barrel. And then the barrel is cut-rifled, which doesn't introduce any stress to the barrel.
I purchased the Tract scope after you posted about yours 4 or 5 years ago and it has been stellar.
Thanks MD
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If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
I suppose it depends on what, where, and how one hunts. That reticle wouldn’t work for me, except on a rifle for shootings chucks, starlings, crows, etc. For me, this one is much better, with the T-Plex I like so well and a light. Kind of heavy for Grandpa, but he could manage it paired with the right rifle, under the right conditions.
Like most FFP all purpose reticles, this reticle could use some improvement, which I mentioned in my review. However, I also mentioned in my review that I was able to shoot a pig at sunset + 30 at 6x magnification, and the result was a very dead pig.
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Nice review Hondo, thanks for doing it. I have personal experience with three different Tract scopes now and have nothing but good things to say about them.
Thanks for the definitive answer. If the scope is still in your "shilling" possession, a few pics of the reticle on low power would be appreciated. I actually don't need them though, your review wreaks of payoff and bias as the scope was "sent to you for review" by the company. Nice try though.....scope sucks....reticle sucks....and what kind of dumbass company offers illumination in 2nd focal plane only.....dumb fuggs from Nikon just haven't actually gotten anything right since Tracts inception. Yep ...I've owned a few Torics....speaking from experience. You may find my non paid actual reviews on snipershide to be of benefit.
And the bullshit.....Tract Toric "Schott glass" comes from china........anyone serious about optics would know that "Schott glass" don't mean [bleep]. German Schott glass is not what you get with Tract.
Schott has German and Chinese glass ....Tract uses the china town version.
Tract still hasn't figured out how to make their scopes have a full image, they make Leupold Mark 5s look nice with their big black rings...... #toiletpaperroll field of view
Thanks for the definitive answer. If the scope is still in your "shilling" possession, a few pics of the reticle on low power would be appreciated. I actually don't need them though, your review wreaks of payoff and bias as the scope was "sent to you for review" by the company. Nice try though.....scope sucks....reticle sucks....and what kind of dumbass company offers illumination in 2nd focal plane only.....dumb fuggs from Nikon just haven't actually gotten anything right since Tracts inception. Yep ...I've owned a few Torics....speaking from experience. You may find my non paid actual reviews on snipershide to be of benefit.
Nice tantrum! 😂😂😂
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Thanks for the definitive answer. If the scope is still in your "shilling" possession, a few pics of the reticle on low power would be appreciated. I actually don't need them though, your review wreaks of payoff and bias as the scope was "sent to you for review" by the company. Nice try though.....scope sucks....reticle sucks....and what kind of dumbass company offers illumination in 2nd focal plane only.....dumb fuggs from Nikon just haven't actually gotten anything right since Tracts inception. Yep ...I've owned a few Torics....speaking from experience. You may find my non paid actual reviews on snipershide to be of benefit.
Originally Posted by screaminweasil
And the bullshit.....Tract Toric "Schott glass" comes from china........anyone serious about optics would know that "Schott glass" don't mean [bleep]. German Schott glass is not what you get with Tract.
Schott has German and Chinese glass ....Tract uses the china town version.
Tract still hasn't figured out how to make their scopes have a full image, they make Leupold Mark 5s look nice with their big black rings...... #toiletpaperroll field of view
Nothing like announcing to the world "I'm a clueless dumbass".
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Thanks for the definitive answer. If the scope is still in your "shilling" possession, a few pics of the reticle on low power would be appreciated. I actually don't need them though, your review wreaks of payoff and bias as the scope was "sent to you for review" by the company. Nice try though.....scope sucks....reticle sucks....and what kind of dumbass company offers illumination in 2nd focal plane only.....dumb fuggs from Nikon just haven't actually gotten anything right since Tracts inception. Yep ...I've owned a few Torics....speaking from experience. You may find my non paid actual reviews on snipershide to be of benefit.
Originally Posted by screaminweasil
And the bullshit.....Tract Toric "Schott glass" comes from china........anyone serious about optics would know that "Schott glass" don't mean [bleep]. German Schott glass is not what you get with Tract.
Schott has German and Chinese glass ....Tract uses the china town version.
Tract still hasn't figured out how to make their scopes have a full image, they make Leupold Mark 5s look nice with their big black rings...... #toiletpaperroll field of view
Nothing like announcing to the world "I'm a clueless dumbass".
More like a moron
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
Thanks for the definitive answer. If the scope is still in your "shilling" possession, a few pics of the reticle on low power would be appreciated. I actually don't need them though, your review wreaks of payoff and bias as the scope was "sent to you for review" by the company. Nice try though.....scope sucks....reticle sucks....and what kind of dumbass company offers illumination in 2nd focal plane only.....dumb fuggs from Nikon just haven't actually gotten anything right since Tracts inception. Yep ...I've owned a few Torics....speaking from experience. You may find my non paid actual reviews on snipershide to be of benefit.
Originally Posted by screaminweasil
And the bullshit.....Tract Toric "Schott glass" comes from china........anyone serious about optics would know that "Schott glass" don't mean [bleep]. German Schott glass is not what you get with Tract.
Schott has German and Chinese glass ....Tract uses the china town version.
Tract still hasn't figured out how to make their scopes have a full image, they make Leupold Mark 5s look nice with their big black rings...... #toiletpaperroll field of view
Nothing like announcing to the world "I'm a clueless dumbass".
More like a moron
I don’t know. I’ve never owned a Tract.
People will say a lot of things, especially on the internet. Hard to know who is the real deal, who is full of shet, and who is simply too dumb to know how dumb they are.
But, if there’s one unequivocal red flag, it’s when someone promoting something gets evasive under pointed questions.
Someone else mentioned a thread on Rokslide. I went and dug it up. Tract took the evasive route over impact testing. A scopes #1 job is an aiming device.
Unless someone sends a Tract to Stick or Formadillo, I’ll direct my money to proven brands.
Originally Posted by shrapnel
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
I have been following this thread because I do like Tract. They have great optics - clear, well priced. I have some binoculars - best I own. I now have a scope I have yet put through the paces but I expect the to be happy. I am also following it because of the "battles" that happen ... the popcorn is always ready for Tract threads
As I have watched the battles of Tract go on over the last few years it has been amusing ... and sometimes maddening. Clear experience has been shown with results and then the other side will attack. And the attacks as far as I can tell (not an expert in tracking this down but my observations) lack ANY or LITTLE direct experience with current Tract products. Just a little weird to be honest.
Personally there are too many folks whose opinions I trust (JB for example and others) who have had good experiences to worry about the shrill attacks coming from others. YMMV
Edit: By the way my name is NOT John or Jon ... and I have never accepted anything from Tract except for quality optics in the mail for a fair price
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I have been following this thread because I do like Tract. They have great optics - clear, well priced. I have some binoculars - best I own. I now have a scope I have yet put through the paces but I expect the to be happy. I am also following it because of the "battles" that happen ... the popcorn is always ready for Tract threads
As I have watched the battles of Tract go on over the last few years it has been amusing ... and sometimes maddening. Clear experience has been shown with results and then the other side will attack. And the attacks as far as I can tell (not an expert in tracking this down but my observations) lack ANY or LITTLE direct experience with current Tract products. Just a little weird to be honest.
Personally there are too many folks whose opinions I trust (JB for example and others) who have had good experiences to worry about the shrill attacks coming from others. YMMV
Edit: By the way my name is NOT John or Jon ... and I have never accepted anything from Tract except for quality optics in the mail for a fair price
It's always amusing, especially coming from people who have never even seen a Tract Toric (which is what this thread is about specifically) much less used one. The incident that the idiot bellydeep is referencing was several years ago, was NOT a Toric, and was in fact a used scope that had been passed around several times before this "drop test" was performed. It's amusing also because at about the same time a respected poster here performed the "drop test" with an SWFA 3-9x (could possibly have been the fixed 6x)and it failed as well. Screaminweasel is just flat out too stupid to even respond to.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Personally there are too many folks whose opinions I trust (JB for example and others) who have had good experiences to worry about the shrill attacks coming from others. YMMV
I purchased a 3X15X50 because of JB's review. I found tge scope excellent in every regard and now own 5 scopes and 15X50 binoculars and couldn't be happier
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
Gotta wonder how many of those who demand that Tract scopes be put through the meat grinder before they’ll consider one expect the same from other brands in their price range?
I did some tracking tests on my first, a Tekoa, which it passed just fine. Sold it when I won a VX-5 HD from Doug. The second one, a 1” Toric, is staying here. Really like the zero stop for futzing around with .22s. Left an inch of “room” on the stop for use with faster ammo.
Thanks for the definitive answer. If the scope is still in your "shilling" possession, a few pics of the reticle on low power would be appreciated. I actually don't need them though, your review wreaks of payoff and bias as the scope was "sent to you for review" by the company. Nice try though.....scope sucks....reticle sucks....and what kind of dumbass company offers illumination in 2nd focal plane only.....dumb fuggs from Nikon just haven't actually gotten anything right since Tracts inception. Yep ...I've owned a few Torics....speaking from experience. You may find my non paid actual reviews on snipershide to be of benefit.
Originally Posted by screaminweasil
And the bullshit.....Tract Toric "Schott glass" comes from china........anyone serious about optics would know that "Schott glass" don't mean [bleep]. German Schott glass is not what you get with Tract.
Schott has German and Chinese glass ....Tract uses the china town version.
Tract still hasn't figured out how to make their scopes have a full image, they make Leupold Mark 5s look nice with their big black rings...... #toiletpaperroll field of view
Nothing like announcing to the world "I'm a clueless dumbass".
Gotta wonder how many of those who demand that Tract scopes be put through the meat grinder before they’ll consider one expect the same from other brands in their price range?
I did some tracking tests on my first, a Tekoa, which it passed just fine. Sold it when I won a VX-5 HD from Doug. The second one, a 1” Toric, is staying here. Really like the zero stop for futzing around with .22s. Left an inch of “room” on the stop for use with faster ammo.
1) SWFA fixed power scopes were just on sale for $200, so let’s establish that as the “price range.”
2) I don’t care if a scope costs $200 or $2000, it needs to hold zero.
Originally Posted by shrapnel
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
I have been following this thread because I do like Tract. They have great optics - clear, well priced. I have some binoculars - best I own. I now have a scope I have yet put through the paces but I expect the to be happy. I am also following it because of the "battles" that happen ... the popcorn is always ready for Tract threads
As I have watched the battles of Tract go on over the last few years it has been amusing ... and sometimes maddening. Clear experience has been shown with results and then the other side will attack. And the attacks as far as I can tell (not an expert in tracking this down but my observations) lack ANY or LITTLE direct experience with current Tract products. Just a little weird to be honest.
Personally there are too many folks whose opinions I trust (JB for example and others) who have had good experiences to worry about the shrill attacks coming from others. YMMV
Edit: By the way my name is NOT John or Jon ... and I have never accepted anything from Tract except for quality optics in the mail for a fair price
It's always amusing, especially coming from people who have never even seen a Tract Toric (which is what this thread is about specifically) much less used one. The incident that the idiot bellydeep is referencing was several years ago, was NOT a Toric, and was in fact a used scope that had been passed around several times before this "drop test" was performed. It's amusing also because at about the same time a respected poster here performed the "drop test" with an SWFA 3-9x (could possibly have been the fixed 6x)and it failed as well. Screaminweasel is just flat out too stupid to even respond to.
I’ve never said a SWFA can’t fail. All of them can. What you’re playing is a percentage game.
I wouldn’t stay away from a scope brand just because I heard of one failing on the internet.
But like I said, salesmen getting evasive is a pretty big red flag. I’ve still bought a few products after such behavior, and have always regretted it after.
Originally Posted by shrapnel
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle.
Originally Posted by JohnBurns
I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
And the people here who own Japanese Tracts are in solid agreement that they do too, have excellent optics, and most are offered with good hunting reticles (T-Plex). Spare me that tired, discredited story about the much cheaper Response that failed. We all know the details, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the scopes we’re talking about.
Buy and use what you will, but stating that the Torics (and Tekoas) are no good because of what happened with that Response is just bullschitt.
I got excited about Tract when they first came out. Unlike all the Texas fanboys I actually have tested and seen every [bleep] scope on the market, so I call balls and strikes. The 1" Tubed line of Toric Scopes of which I owned both the 2-10 and 3-15 had a nasty "tunnel effect". If you have ever looked through a Steiner P4xi or Burris XTR3.............those scopes in particular have a full view to the edge of the scope. Almost like your not looking through a scope. If you have ever seen a Leupold Mark 5HD or a Nikon Monarch scope, you may or may not have noticed a large "black ring" effect between the image and the edge of the field of view. That's the major gripe. I guess those who haven't experienced anything else, may have never noticed.
I do have a pair of 15x56 Tract Toric Binoculars which I like quite well. Although the image quality isn't any better than a $450 pair of Athlon Cronus 15x56.............the Tract are much slimmer and much more prone to actually carrying while hunting. The Athlon are quite large in this regard.
I have nothing against Tract.............other than their false advertising. Their "Schott" glass comes from China......not Germany. Their scopes seem to function pretty well if you get the "toric" model which is made in Japan at the LOW Factory.
However, I find it funny that someone "reviewing" a FFP "hunting scope" (Mind You NOT ILLUMINTED)....................Only provides a reticle pic at highest power...........then acts like a little Bitch when he's called out on that as we all know........nobody but a dumbass Texan shoots a deer at 15x in low light.
I live in the far west.............timbered deer hunting here doesn't allow FFP at 15x at low light despite the best of optics.
Carry on.................
Tract still stucks ......................for the most part.
I should probably sell my 15x56 Toric Binos.........just for spite.
The only Tract I have so far is a 3-15x42 and while I can’t speak to durability yet it’s a fine scope and very nice to look through. I have no reason to think it won’t hold up at this point. I will get more as I need or want.
Mr Magoo can see the huge "black ring" also known as Vignette.
Take some pics through all your wonderful Torics and show me it doesn't exist. If you can hold your trembling hands still enough to semi focus the phone camera......good luck.
This is how the view through a rifle scope should look.
Here's to HIGH fences and your LOW "standards"...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...........
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Some folks wanted to see a pic of the reticle at 2.5x, so Ive included that.
After request from folks on Rokslide, I called Jon Allen and asked if he would allow me to hold on to the scope for a bit to conduct a Formidilosus style drop test. He agreed. First part of the test was to establish a 30 round zero/group size. This is shown in the picture. The test consist of three drops from 18” and 36” on the left side, three on the right side, and three on the top, followed by a ten shot group after each series of three drops. The idea is that with a 30 shot group size established, each successive ten shot group should fall within the 30 shot group. That is how it should work, but I kinda screwed that up all by myself.
After the thirty round group, I was out of ammo for the day but wasn't entirely satisfied with the zero, so I made the an adjustment and slipped the turrets to zero but did so without verifying the adjustment. So, a few days later on the first post- drop group (18” left side) you see a POI shift from the 30 round group. Was this from the drops, or from my unverified adjustment? I wasn't sure, so I continued the test. The next drops, 18” on the right side, revealed no change in POI or group size from the previous group, nor did the 18” drops on the elevation turret. So far, so good. The 3' drops were the same. Same POI and group size with no shift noted that couldn't be accounted for by the size of the original 30 round group.
To my eyes, the scope did what it was supposed to do for this series of test. It showed no POI change for six 10- round groups, after 9 drops at 18” and 9 drops at 36”.
The fact that the groups were not centered up on my POA bothered me though, and I had 10 rounds left. So, I swagged an adjustment, fired five to verify, made another adjustment and saved the last five rounds for 700 yards. My data showed 4.2 mils of elevation and .4 windage. Winds were gusty. I hit the first four and missed on the fifth, which I attribute to an unaccounted for gust. The scope did what it was supposed to do.
This Toric Hunting Scope seems to be a solid scope. It retains zero and tracks correctly. Image quality is very good. As discussed above, while the reticle works, it could be improved to make it more useful in low light at low magnification, as well as retain its long range capabilities. If looking for a reliable long range hunting scope, it should definitely be on your short list.
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Thank you for taking the time to do and share that. Looks like a great scope and while the reticle isn’t perfect it’s probably as good/better as some of the other reticles I’m using.
Thank you for taking the time to do and share that. Looks like a great scope and while the reticle isn’t perfect it’s probably as good/better as some of the other reticles I’m using.
I was thinking the same exact thing. If the glass is as good as touted, seeing that reticle shouldn't be a big thing.
Thank you for taking the time to do and share that. Looks like a great scope and while the reticle isn’t perfect it’s probably as good/better as some of the other reticles I’m using.
I was thinking the same exact thing. If the glass is as good as touted, seeing that reticle shouldn't be a big thing.
The glass is excellent
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
Thank you for taking the time to do and share that. Looks like a great scope and while the reticle isn’t perfect it’s probably as good/better as some of the other reticles I’m using.
I was thinking the same exact thing. If the glass is as good as touted, seeing that reticle shouldn't be a big thing.
The glass is excellent
The little 1” 2-10 is s being delivered today. It has its place and I believe this 2.5-15 will too. I’m thinking kinda dual purpose for the 2.5-15. Mostly steel because I fire more shots at steel than animals in a years time and open areas where longer shots are a little more likely. In a field I would have the power turned up to 10x plus so I think the reticle would be plenty visible.
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Tract) join the party over there and offer a scope to test? That guy did the opposite. He got incredibly evasive once the questions started. So evasive that many folks said they’d no longer consider a Tract scope due to the way questions were dodged. Whatever the case, thanks for taking the time to post your findings here.
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