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What’s the Bible say about marriage? Is Christianity or the bible affiliated with the United States and it’s founding?
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Leviticus 18:22...............Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is ABOMINATION.
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The .gov of any stripe has no business being involved in marriage. Straight/gay/same sex, or not. I disagree. James Wilson, one of the Founders, said that "the family is that seminary on which the nation ultimately depends for its manners as well as its numbers". Limited government works but only for a moral people and the influence of marriage on the well-being of the family and hence of the body politic is incontrovertible. Most of society's problems today can be traced to the destruction of the two-parent family, which, at its root, is the problem of the destruction of marriage between a man and woman. You cannot have limited government and a weak or non-existent family structure because the latter is necessary to raising up decent citizens. https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/02/7821/
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The word "matrimony" derives from the Latin word for "mother". You lolberterians live in a fantasy world. Marriage is between you, spouse and God. (via your Church) Marriage is not connected to nor is it derived from the government. At all. Full stop. Mother =/= Government - unless you're a "it takes a village" Hillary type who believes the parents have no say/sway. The government involvement has ZERO to do with "guaranteeing a future for children" - The government did NOT recognize marriage under law until the Revenue act of 1913. What does that have to do with marriage? (TAXES not "Securing Children") Compare the sanctity of marriage before 1913 and after.... Government involvement in marriage is what created the push for gay marriage. Equality under the secular rule/instrument. Had .gov stayed out of marriage and left it to a person's individual Church - they'd not push for it. Of what redeeming value is there in having the government involved in your marriage. I'll wait. I can understand it involved in dissolution of "a" marriage - whatever that might be within your own church -division of property/child custody but in CREATING the marriage? They offer nothing but a pathway to what we have now - determining who can/can not get married, how and when and who MUST recognize it. I'll wait while you explain to me why the government has any input on marriage that makes sense in any way/shape or form. Seriously - I want to learn. Explain to me why having the government involved in a union between me, the wife and God via our Priest is better than NOT having the government involved. Well nice to see you and this boomer look at things the same way.
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For all the "I don't care what they do in their bedroom" folks... YOU are the problem. Evil should not be tolerated. Period. Look what happens when phaeggotry is tolerated. You gave them an inch....and wonder why they took a mile. This.
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For all the "I don't care what they do in their bedroom" folks... YOU are the problem. Evil should not be tolerated. Period. Look what happens when phaeggotry is tolerated. You gave them an inch....and wonder why they took a mile. I don't like it period and agree that "marriage" is between a man and a woman, but this is a "free" country.... what's next? They gonna tell you, you can only have one child ? YOU are making the same argument that the gun grabbers do........ We have the right to keep and bare arms....some people are gonna get shot..... '"IF" we are free....then you're gonna have to deal with some phags.... if we have freedom of religion, you're gonna have to deal with atheists.
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Do not confuse Liberty with libertarianism.
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Government has no business redefining marriage which is a religious rite between man and a woman.
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Do not confuse Liberty with libertarianism. Do not confuse what is "right" with what is constitutional..... it ain't perfect but it's all we got.
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Do not confuse Liberty with libertarianism. Do not confuse what is "right" with what is constitutional..... it ain't perfect but it's all we got. And the Constitution doesn't guarantee a right to gay marriage, either by word or implication. Such things are state matters.
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Queers should be unceremoniously thrown out of the military, along with most of the women. There goes our Air Force. Just kidding.
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Do not confuse Liberty with libertarianism. Do not confuse what is "right" with what is constitutional..... it ain't perfect but it's all we got. And the Constitution doesn't guarantee a right to gay marriage, either by word or implication. Such things are state matters. Do not confuse Liberty with libertarianism. Do not confuse what is "right" with what is constitutional..... it ain't perfect but it's all we got. And the Constitution doesn't guarantee a right to gay marriage, either by word or implication. Such things are state matters. Exactly.... it also does not say they don't .... kind of like what everyone is cheering about in the overturning of roe vs. wade?
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It’s simply not an issue that the federal government has any business in deciding, that’s up to the states. I hope that we’re in for a resurgence of returning the power back to the people via the states. Instead of congresspersons and senators spending their time kissing ass in DC they should be in their home state kissing their constituents ass instead. 😉
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Queers should be unceremoniously thrown out of the military, along with most of the women. Agree Yep. Women make good nurses. And sometimes, good sandwiches.
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What about if Elvis married you in Vegas?
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The Constitution DOES NOT give the federal government the right to make decisions on marriage. Period.
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I'll wait while you explain to me why the government has any input on marriage that makes sense in any way/shape or form. One of the most basic functions of government is to regulate civic order, and regulating marriage is part of regulating civic order. But you think that eliminating the legal concept of marriage will stop the people firing phag warheads at the institution of marriage, so I know this will bounce clean off your head.
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And the Constitution doesn't guarantee a right to gay marriage, either by word or implication. Such things are state matters. Exactly.... it also does not say they don't .... kind of like what everyone is cheering about in the overturning of roe vs. wade? When the Constitution is silent on a right, and it's not a right traditionally accepted with deep roots in our national tradition (in which case, it would be protected by the 9th Amendment), that right isn't enforceable by the Supreme Court. Neither the right to abort a child, nor the right of gays to marry, exist (nor are they implied) in the Constitution. Therefore the 10th Amendment leaves them to the individual states. That's how the Constitution was designed to work.
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And the Constitution doesn't guarantee a right to gay marriage, either by word or implication. Such things are state matters. Exactly.... it also does not say they don't .... kind of like what everyone is cheering about in the overturning of roe vs. wade? When the Constitution is silent on a right, and it's not a right traditionally accepted with deep roots in our national tradition (in which case, it would be protected by the 9th Amendment), that right isn't enforceable by the Supreme Court. Neither the right to abort a child, nor the right of gays to marry, exist (nor are they implied) in the Constitution. Therefore the 10th Amendment leaves them to the individual states. That's how the Constitution was designed to work. That's the way I read the Constitution. I really don't much care what the gays are doing or if they want to marry but if some state wants to ban it then them's the breaks for gay marrige in that state. I suspect banning being gay might fall under free speach and should fall under SCOTUS.
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