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Have a 50 cal T/C Omega all ready to go. Powder and projectiles, just need to find some 209's to lite up the BH209. I'll find some eventually, though who knows what they'll end up costing. Hoping to sooner than later, as I want to see if the QLA muzzle needs to go. Might just do that anyway while I'm looking for the primers. This will primarily be a tree stand gun on my 40 acres in NE WI. And if I don't find primers in time, my 54 cal Hawken is ready to go with plenty of both FFg and FFFg, #11 caps, patches and round balls. Half the fun for me is getting everything and getting it all set up.

I am on my 3rd TC MLwith the QLA.None have ever given me problems accuracy wise.

Put yourself on every "Notify Me" list for every seller you can think of. You'll have 209s in less than a month if you act as soon as you get an in stock notice.

Guy on gunbroker has them listed for $65 per 100 with $25 shipping and sales tax! Lol!

That's a little much. That's about the going price for 1,000.

Definitely won't be buying those! Plenty of other stuff to use.

Local Sportsman's Warehouse had 209's last weekend.

209s are easy to find compared to percussion caps.

Thats a fact! I have had to sideline my two Hawkens and use my inlines for two years.

You can make No 11 cap's, not so much a 209.

Musket caps and nipples seem to be available.

10Glocks & Dean Anderson: I was doing a gunshow here in SW Montana a couple weeks ago and on my "list" of stuff to buy for my partners has been 209 primers for many months now.
Anyway as I was setting up the table the neighbor table guy comes in with ten 1,000 primer cartons of Winchester 209's - I inquired and bought 2,000 of them for $60.00 per 1,000.
My table partner bought the other 8,000 (eight cartons) and promptly began selling them for $85.00 per 1,000!
He finished selling them all off this past weekend at the Post Falls, Idaho show for $90.00 per 1,000!
If you need them and can find them for $65.00 plus $25.00 shipping or $90.00 per 1,000 then I suggest you do so because they are NOT "easy to find" in my big neck'o the woods.
By the way I sold those primers to my friend for what I paid for them - $60.00 per 1,000 and he was THRILLED to get them! He KNOWS he owes me one.
I do NOT know if this component "shortage" will ever be over/end?
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Can also convert to a variflame large rifle primer breech plug.



I handload so I already have primers and priming tool. Ordered the adapter bushings and the plug and I've been lighting BH209 with CCI 250 large rifle magnums. If you don't handload, a lee hand primer isn't terribly expensive. I think they are much more consistent and cleaner than 209s. I've shot them in pretty cold Temps without issue.


My encore has the QLA and it is a hammer with most things I've shot...including full bore Thors.

Nice set up!

Todd

I just change my 2 muskets over too musket cap nipples ,purchased some extra nipples , purchased 800 musket caps too . percussion caps i have been told might be 2 years before they are back in stock. i got this stuff from Track of the Wolf in Elk River ,Mn. they also just got in some Schuetzen black powder which i purchased 2 lbs. good lucks guys things are tight,Pete53

Be sure to use the hotter 209's with BH209, magnums are best if you can find them. The Muzzleloader labeled 209's are too weak.

Correct. BH209 lists CCI 209M or Federal 209A as the primers to use. Also like the idea of the Vari-Flame to use LR or LRM primers.

for my in-line muzzle loaders i just use 209 shotgun primers since i load trap ammo anyway ,i have lots of 209 primers , i learned a long time ago to stock pile.

If I was still loading shotshells like I used to, there wouldn't be an issue.

Cheddite brand 209s become available quite often. Be careful. They may have a good reputation among shotshell reloaders. But they are very easily pieced in a muzzle loader. I've never had one fail to set off a charge. They're pretty hot and shoot a flame out past the muzzle. But my Traditions Pursuit pierces them 100% of the time. It never pierces CCI, Federal or Winchester. Piercing will eventually erode your firing pin and dirties the breech area pretty good.

Never used 'em, but Brownell's has 'em in stock.

https://www.brownells.com/reloading/primers/shotshell-primers/209-shotshell-primers-prod81658.aspx

They work. And YMMV regarding pierced Cheddite primers. I have read reviews that they are dimensionally different than USA made 209s. But my experience is that they seat as well as any other 209. They're plenty hot.

My Traditions has a 209 breech plug and firing pin. And a musket cap breech plug and firing pin. I found the musket cap firing pin set off the Cheddites reliably and didn't pierce them. Not an ideal solution. But it worked.

Where did you get the adapter bushings? I had a T/C Impact breach plug machined for the variflame adapter, have the adapters, needing the bushings...

Cheddite 209's available at local Sportsman's Warehouse.

Here's my experience with Cheddites:

Left: hit with a firing pin (all pierced)
Middle: hit with a musket cap pin
Right: musket caps



They also bulge when hit with a firing pin. Sometimes to the point that there's quite a bit more resistance to opening the action than with fired Federal 209s.



Left: Federal 209MZ
Middle: Federal 209A
Right: Cheditte
(all with with the same firing pin)



Googling Cheddite primers does show this is a pretty consistent complaint among shot shell reloaders, too. The cups seems very soft on Cheddites.

https://www.muzzleloadingbullets.com/TC-Large-Rifle-VariFlame-Primer-Adapters-10-pack-p/t-c-0601.htm


https://www.prbullet.com/shop/products_view.php?sSKU=0601


Can't remember exactly where I ordered mine. I should probably order 20 or 30 more just to have on hand. Easy enough to loose.

Cheddite primers are a bit softer....I use Cheddite hulls in the 20ga Encore TSS turkey loads. They work. But I Pierce them. My heavier than normal hammer spring doesn't help.

Where in NE Ill are you. I am in East Iowa. Clinton. I have all kinds of 209 primers.

Guess I used the wrong terminology. Is there a bushing that fits on the adapter when you put it in the breach plug? Adapter is loose in the breach plug on its own.

tomme boy, sent you a PM, thank you!

Cabela's has Winchester 209s in stock....for now.

https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/winchester-209-777-primers

Those are 777 primers, no good for BH209. Probably work for everything else since caps do.

I have more 209's here than I can say Grace over! Winchester I think. I will not ship them, however if your in the 979 area code of Texas and need some, message me here. If you only need a hundred or so, they are free.

tag

I got all excited last fall when I inquired at my LGS and they said they had 209 primers. However, what they did, was open a 100 pack, and out 20 in a zip lock bag. That was the limit per customer. Oh, 20 cost as much as 100 did pre pandemic.

What part of Illinois? I'm out by rockford. I'd gladly give you enough to keep you shooting for awhile. DCL

Hello Dcl,

I'm about an hour east of you. Won't be able to PM you and hesitant to provide personal contact info on an open forum. Really appreciate the offer.

I picked up box of Federal 209MZ primers today at Walmart. $8.97 They had several packs

I'm seeing plenty of muzzleloader 209s for sale, packs of 100, for obscene prices. Saw some Remingtons for $22.95, and other brands down to $15.99 for a pack of 100. Pretty bad when you are paying double the price, or more, for an underpowered 209 than for full power 209s. I picked up a box of 1000 Federal 209As a couple of months ago for around $75.00.

Local WM has the federal 209mz for $7 or $8, they just got their ML stuff in for the year.

Buy them up, because that's not the going price for muzzle loading primers I've seen. $7-$8 is less than 1/2 price of the online retailers. Midway's prices for muzzleloading primbers is the same as what I am seeing at Bass Pro and a local big outdoor store (Green Top Hunt and Fish, Richmond, Va).

Winchester Triple 7 primers $27.99/100
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900328291?pid=966618

CCI Muzzleloading primers $18.99/100
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1301582651?pid=582651

Remington muzzle loadiong primers $20.99/100
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1601112805?pid=573906

Federal Muzzleloading primers $18.99/100
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018438976?pid=718765

but

Somehow, Walmart can manage to sell Winchester Triple 7s for $7.87
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Winchester-209-Primer-Triple-7/17175602

"Muzzle loading primers" is the biggest gun/hunting rip off I've seen in a long time. Unfortunately, none of the Walmarts near me carry any muzzle loading components.

Never bought any of the ML 209s. Does the package warn against their use with BH209? The folks that make Blackhorn are very clear about what works.

EDIT:

Just looked on the Midway site and only Winchester labels them as 777 primers (on the front of the box anyway). Read the revues and questions and it’s amazing how much confusion there is about this stuff. Someone even asked it the 209s would work for a percussion pistol. More than one asked about muskets. Sheesh!

I have a single box of Federal muzzle loading primers and a few extra loose MZ 209s. There's nothing on the box saying they're not for BH209. I don't even remember where I got that box. I've never tried them with BH209 and don't intend to, since Hodgdon clearly states to use normal hot 209s with BH209s. I've got plenty of Federal 209As on hand.

These muzzle loading primers are for use with 777 pellets. IIRC, some people were complaining that standard 209s were too hot for 777 pellets and that the primer ignition was powerful enough to move the pellets and bullet forward before the pellets fully ignited which degraded accuracy. I'ved used both types of 209s with 777 pellets and never noticed a difference.

I like 777 pellets for the sheer convenience and speed. I can swap breech plugs in my Traditions Pursuit to go back and forth between musket caps and 209s. I've found that regular 209s and hot Schuetzen musket caps will both light 777 pellets. I'll uyse up my Federal MZ primers but won't get any more.

My current ML uses rifle primers in an insert, so I left them for others.

Blackhorn data for cartridges uses magnum primers even in small handgun rounds, which oughta be a clue. Good stuff, but hard to light. 777 lights pretty easily in loose form anyway, easier than Pyrodex.

Good buddy just gave me a pack (100) of Federal 209A's. He's my favorite friend this week! Lol!

Sounds like a good friend.

I looked for months without finding any. I bought 500 Federal 209A primers on Gunbroker for $85 shipped, probably last me 20 years.

Years back I ordered a brick of federal 209A's for my Omega.

Imagine my surprise when a box of bricks arrived.

Only broke into one so far.

Never had a misfire because of the primer...

That's a lot of 209A's!