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Wow Bart,so much for you behaving on here. I'm surprised you chimed in.... I thought that you were having too much fun with your filthy PM's...
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hadn't much noticed him until I started looking at this thread...which I had ignored for days just because 1nutter was so incoherent and disruptive it wasn't worth looking at. I can see your point, though, based on the last few pages.
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Lots of good data here folks, but I'll just comment on the 60k/annum for the average autoworker according to your figures. That's more than the starting salary for many professions including mine. A Navy Lt Aviator back then did not make that much and he had a four year college degree, almost three years of flight training, a supervisory position as a Division or Branch Officer in a Squadron supervising anywhere from 20 to 60 men, Spent many months deployed away from home & family not to mention night carrier landings  I'd be interested to know what the starting salaries were in 1997 numbers for: A.doctors B.lawyers C.engineers D.CPAs E.college professors That wasn't the starting salary. That was the "average salary". There were WAY MORE people that had been there for a while making top rate then there were new hires. Jorge am thinking the 60k includes overtime. IIRC as a skilled trades worker my hourly rate was less than $27.00 an hour back in 97. There are years I made more than 60k, at the same time I was working darn near 3000 hours a year. Yes that was working overtime. Our plant worked 6 and 7 days a week back then (some departments still do to this day). More often then not it was mandatory (and some times it still is). I believe the production rate was just under $20 an hour plus cost of living and piece work.
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funny how it don't take long to figure out who'd you enjoy a brew with ain't it.
there's several of you it'd be a pleasure for me to buy you a cold one.
Including the guy that pays the bills round these parts.
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I think 1nutter is having enough problems with his own computer....now...not that I did anything....
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Hey - thanks, Rick! Sorry this thread got tainted. Ngrumba - The consumer doesn't care if it's mgt, the union or what - they want value for the $$. When unionized products cost more and you are getting less - you spend you money elsewhere. Simple economics. Chysler/GM/Ford are bleeding red ink. Toyota and Honda are making money hand over fist. hmmmmmm---wonder why? The cost thing made a lot of difference back when Japanese cars weren't so great (yes - I remember those days). Now - not so much. There are some "Japanese" cars that cost as much or more than comparable "American" cars, yet still sell well. Many people (like myself) shop quality first and price second. Those of us who can afford it tend to do that as we age and tire of dealing with stuff that fails prematurely or is otherwise hard to live with. Union labor can't break a company that is run by competent management. And the Management is the company. They set the agenda and the tone for everything.
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