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Now that'll piss garandaminal off to the heights of pisstivity.

Will try it with my carry pistol soon.

It's what you want it to be. But you know Eli was sitting at a table with his gf. He stood up pushing her to the ground, telling her to stay down. With perp allready shooting, security cam timing said start to finish 15 seconds I'll bet the first 4-5 seconds got ate up dealing with her. I'll bet he didn't have his hands poised either. Be interesting to see the real time breakdown on it all...mb

Blue, here's mine with an M-9, 115gr FMJs

What? You don't enjoy shooting? Or sharing your results?

Pop some caps and have some fun. If your results embarrass you you are welcome to shoot til you improve before posting pics

As for myself,I'm beyond embarrassment. I'd post pics of about anything I shoot. If I remember to take pics.

Read several references here to this shooting of a bad guy at extended range. Where and when?

Guys all over are now using the Indiana Mall bad guy stoppage as a training tool. Calling it the “Dicken drill” after the kid Eli Dicken. I’m going to try it next time I’m at the outdoor range. 10 rounds from the holster with your carry gun in 15 seconds. Need 8 hits to pass. No matter what you think, to pull off this feat under stress is an amazing thing. The 22 year old good guy saved countless lives with his cool headed accuracy.

Ron

My carry gun only holds 8

And occasionally only 5...

Sights and trigger are both good on the LC9

I can often hit a 10 inch plate at 50, but it's no guarantee.
And never tried under time pressure...

The guy stood for all 8 hits? Wish there was video. Anyone know what the bad guy was shooting? Do we know if Eli had a rest of some sort?

I can't dispute this, but haven't read or heard, anywhere on my own, what the timing was. With the exception that the local police chief acknowledged that the good guy engaged the bad guy 15 seconds on from the BG's first shot.

If you have heard or read details on the timing, please post a link. Is a video publicly available?

Either way, I like the shoot you've outlined and set up. Don't have a shot timer but I'll try to have someone stop watch me at the range.

Blue has laid out a good training scenario/challenge, regardless of details of the actual event.
Now where's that timer?....

Well I can't do it on an 8" plate at 40yds with my M&P, but I have lots of near misses. So maybe if I put up a B27 target I'll get a better sense of how much hurt I can put on a guy at 40yds.

I decided not use my 1911 simply because I can't do 10 shots without reloading. My 1911 and I get along quite well.

I could ring the 8" steel a couple times a mag with the PF9.

40yds is a long ways to be using a pistol to engage a bad guy, imho.

Wonder if the bad guy took all hits from upright or dropped down a bit ( or all the way ) and some were skipped in.

The story reads the shooter started retreating back to the bathroom after taking fire, implying that he was still upright to take 8 of 10 hits.

A lot of the Youtube "Eli Drills" have shooters doing it multiple times. Really you should show up at the range, hang a target, walk back to the shooting line and engage the target from your carry holster. Exercise done.

Lots to be said about this comment ... but I’ll distill my thought .

The cat in the event that started all this DIDNT get to decide what’s a reasonable distance to engage , or with what .

Not sending negativity your way with my comment, but I’m burned out on reading things like “statistically self defence encounters are 3 shots at 21ft , etc etc . “

Pardon me if you don’t feel your comment aligns with that mindset , but that is how I interpreted it

A couple of things I should mention:

• I don't have fantasies about stopping mall shooters.
• I do practice out to 40-50yds occasionally.

And a key point in my thinking about carrying a gun:

I'm not in the cop business and I have no obligation to be a hero. I'm not carrying a gun to protect the public

I.e. shootings that don't involve me - don't involve me.

Regarding engagement distances: I like math. I like statistics. I understand that the risk of defending myself from a shooter 40yds away is so infinitesimal that it is mental masturbation to worry about it.

Revealing .

Have a good’un

To quote Mackay Sagebrush, who posts here often, "You don't get the deadly force encounter you want, you get the one you get", meaning it could happen at 3 yards or like the mall in Indiana it could happen at 40 yards. I agree that statistically its more likely to happen at 3 yards then it is at 40. In my opinion if you can make a shot at 40 yards, you should be able to make it at 3 yards, you just have to make it a whole lot faster at 3 yards.