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Read on another site where a person had finished deburring flash holes on just acquired brass. Got to thinking is deburring flash holes really necessary. I used to do it but the past few years the only thing I do to new brass is chamfer the case neck. I can't tell any difference in accuracy or velocity.
What say you?
Deans After reloading for over 30 years and by latest count 101 different cartridges, IMHO, no it is not necessary. ya! GWB You have a PM.
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Sherm 61: IF.... you are saying that shooting for accuracy and accuracy testing, in "dead air", inside a building, has no value then YOU are WAY, WAY, WAY off base! I don't care who you know or talk to. Why on earth do you think accuracy minded shooters traveled the distances they did to get a turn shooting in that long warehouse? Prove the equipment and the load components in dead air THEN learn the wind. And I am NOT impressed by your contention that someone thinks "that a good Rifle" somehow knows to prefer to be shot in the wind because it attains better accuracy in the foibles of the wind than it would in dead air??? Sheesh. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy I doubt Cortina really said that, unless he was 3 sheets to the wind....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Sherm 61: IF.... you are saying that shooting for accuracy and accuracy testing, in "dead air", inside a building, has no value then YOU are WAY, WAY, WAY off base! I don't care who you know or talk to. Why on earth do you think accuracy minded shooters traveled the distances they did to get a turn shooting in that long warehouse? Prove the equipment and the load components in dead air THEN learn the wind. And I am NOT impressed by your contention that someone thinks "that a good Rifle" somehow knows to prefer to be shot in the wind because it attains better accuracy in the foibles of the wind than it would in dead air??? Sheesh. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy I doubt Cortina really said that, unless he was 3 sheets to the wind.... Watch his you tube videos. Some of you just don't wanna believe what was done 30 years ago has long surpassed. No different than race cars one built and set up then won't even make the race today. Go to some LR matches talk to some shooters there, most are pretty helpful what they do will translate right to better LR shooting rifles. All you gotta do is be willing to listen.
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BSA did you look at the link I provided? I see it won't open, so just go to accurateshooter read it for yourself. Its right in the Reloading forum. Please report back!!!!
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sherm61: "I" am NOT willing to listen to bullschit. Sheesh. You are way out of control - or stupid - or both. Shakin my head. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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Read on another site where a person had finished deburring flash holes on just acquired brass. Got to thinking is deburring flash holes really necessary. I used to do it but the past few years the only thing I do to new brass is chamfer the case neck. I can't tell any difference in accuracy or velocity.
What say you?
Deans I shoot p/dogs they don't know the difference between 'deburred' or not deburred cases Same as primer pockets.....dirty....stuff another Rem 7.5 in & kill another dog
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sherm61: "I" am NOT willing to listen to bullschit. Sheesh. You are way out of control - or stupid - or both. Shakin my head. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy Whats bullshit!! Out of control of what? Listening and learning from guys who are at the top of there game today. Doing the same [bleep] you did 30 years ago and not willing to learn from people who show you improvements is stupid and out of control. I really don't care, but don't feed me BULLSHIT!! All you wanna do is shoot 100 yards it will work fine for ya I choose better challenge.
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sherm61: "I" am NOT willing to listen to bullschit. Sheesh. You are way out of control - or stupid - or both. Shakin my head. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy Whats bullshit!! Out of control of what? Listening and learning from guys who are at the top of there game today. Doing the same [bleep] you did 30 years ago and not willing to learn from people who show you improvements is stupid and out of control. I really don't care, but don't feed me BULLSHIT!! All you wanna do is shoot 100 yards it will work fine for ya I choose better challenge. I doubt it matters what VG says. If you don’t mind doing the work then don’t give a thought to what others say. Just keep hammering and as long as you’re confident in your gear who gives a crap.
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BSA did you look at the link I provided? I see it won't open, so just go to accurateshooter read it for yourself. Its right in the Reloading forum. Please report back!!!! Sherm, I think there is a lot of validity in the warehouse shoot article. Even today, if guys want to read it. It is an old article, yet still very interesting and still has some very valid information. If I remember right, they were shooting groups in the .0's or less than .1". Something like .025". Now, those tests were not devised to test shooting in the wind. The reason they were inside a building. They didn't want to have to contend with the wind. That gets rid of a variable that can greatly affect precision. And that is what they were doing. Experimenting with lighter weight rifles to see how precise they could make them. I don't remember if they tested deburing the flash hole and its effects on precision. I'd have to read it again. But that is what this thread is about. Not shooting in the wind and how accurate you can be doing that. This thread is more about the effect it has on the precision of the load. Now, I shoot quite a bit in the wind and I don't even know why this was brought up in this thread??? Also, just because a rifle is the baddest azzed rifle in the world, it's not going to shoot better in the wind than it would in a dead calm situation. That's like my buddy that says he can shoot a coyote better on a dead run at 300 yards than he can a target at 100 yards. That would defy physics, so I don't care who told you that, they were literally blowing smoke up your azz and it sounds like you bought in to it. I've been going to longrange shoots for a while and I hear guys talking about how they handload. When I first started shooting with the new crew of about 22 shooters, they talked big. A lot of opinions about handloading. That doesn't mean they are always shooting top scores. Even though they have some pretty bad azzed equipment. Long heavy barrels (try 28-30" and suppressed) and exotic cartridges on custom blueprinted actions. These guys are great shooters with awesome equipment, but I learn more about shooting and precision by shooting different conditions vs. listening to their garble. Everyone has their own opinion on things. My take on flash holes is buy good brass that you don't have to worry about "deburring" the flash hole. I'm talking about a special deburring tool. I had to buy one, just for one lot of crap brass I bought last year. It was 308w brass and I learned my lesson about buying that chidt. Never will again. My suggestion: Buy good brass and you don't have to worry about it. I do, however, keep an eye on the cleanliness of the flash hole. Meaning if it becomes rough or jagged, I usually clean it out a bit with an appropriate sized torch tip cleaner. I use those because they are like a very small round file and take the rough edge out of a flash hole. I think by doing that, it helps the primer do a better job, as the flame will be more uniform and consistent with no burr getting in the way. I may be wrong, but I've been doing that for a long time and I know what works for me....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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