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The threat to Russia was a successful capitalistic democracy with a similar population on the Russian doorstep. There never was any military threat from Ukraine. The Russians intentionally have killed tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians in Ukraine. The Ukrainians have killed zero Russian civilians in Russia.

It doesn't matter militarily. They all BELIEVE that it is fight to the death if necessary or die anyway or live in slavery. It's what they believe, not why they believe it, that matters. The depleted, poorly trained, and unmotivated Russian forces do not believe that that they are fighting for their own existence or way of life. The Ukrainians do, even if you are smarter than they are and know better.

Ukraine has never been a "Capitalistic Democracy". Hey are an Oligarchy ran by a president seated by corruption chosen by the men that paid to put him there. Zelenskyy was an actor and comedian. The citizens of Ukraine have no say in the government and Zelenskyy uses a Gestapo like police organization to murder, torture and keep the populace in line with party thinking. Russia today comes closer to the description "Capitalistic Democracy" than Ukraine ever did.
Russia invaded for a number of reasons. Russian ethnic Ukrainians have been persecuted for many years and Zelenskyy signed the Minsk agreed to stop the bloodshed but never honored the agreement. Ukraine has been used by the world governments for a money laundering enterprise for decades and Biden is not the only American politician to take advantage of the corruption there. The administration's urging NATO to fast-track Ukraine in was the last straw. Not unlike the Cuban Missile crisis of the 60's Russia did not want NATO missiles and troupes on their border.
People must understand that Russia today is not the Russia of Stalin.

You Know It Is Getting Bad for Ukraine When PBS Disputes the Propaganda

Unreal, fantasy, magical thinking.

Since the Russians withdrew from Kiev, can you point to a single area of Ukraine that Ukraine has taken from the Russians and held?

Even the supposed encirclement of 2,000 Russian forces near Kherson earlier this week evaporated as Ukrainian forces were annihilated.

" a successful capitalistic democracy"? Ukraine? "never any military threat"?

The Ukrainians are moving forward in the Kherson Oblast, where the Russians essentially are out of supply because of the blown bridges. They retook the Russian occupied areas around Kiev and Kharkiv. They do not have the offensive power to blitz the Russians out of the occupied areas. But the Russians cannot sustain their invasion if it continues to be vigorously opposed. They lost perhaps around 75,000 troops during the entire invasion—a number that increases every day. https://news.yahoo.com/more-75-000-russian-troops-121057313.html. They have only been recruiting/taking new personal for military service from the poorest Russian peasantry because they know that they will face a revolt if they start sending middle-class men to become cannon fodder.

As a general military rule, a nation needs at least one fully supplied infantryman per 50 occupied civilians to successfully occupy a hostile enemy population. That would be 60,000 troops for Kiev alone and 800,000 for all of Ukraine. And that’s after defeating the military units there. The Russians simply don’t have that scale of resources.

Since retreating from Kiev (their primary target of the entire invasion), the Russians concentrated all of their offensive resources to take a dangerously-exposed protrusion of Ukrainian forces in the eastern Donbass—east of Kramatorsk. They succeeded with great loss of life in taking a very small area of Ukrainian territory and have done nothing since. https://www.ft.com/content/4351d5b0-0888-4b47-9368-6bc4dfbccbf5. They don’t have the resources to conduct successful offensive operations, or they would be doing so. They’re just shelling and bombing stuff, which just horrifies the Ukrainians and stiffens their resolve.

The Russians tried, and woefully failed, in the beginning of the campaign to engage the Ukrainian ground forces directly with infantry and armor. I was trained to do that many decades ago. The Russians don’t even have a doctrine for doing that. They simply tried to drive in and fire. That doesn’t work. So, now, they have just relegated their offensive operations to artillery battles. They have so many deficiencies in their resupply system. They don’t even have night-vision capabilities. We had that 31 years ago in Desert Storm. They don’t have an effective command and control system. There is so much more. Some of that can be masked when on defense, but not on offense.

ha ha. good sarcasm. of course the financial times and yahoo news. lol. Both sources said Putin was dying of cancer 6 months ago and would die soon. The both said the Ukrainians were beating Russia badly with 40 year old javelins. Ukraine has lost every battle since beginning of war

14,000 dead Russian civilians in east Ukraine from 2014 to 2022 killed by mostly Azov Neo NAZi para military that were listed as a terrorist group before the war stared by the UN

Ukraine is a democracy? lol Ukraine has been routinely ranked as one of the most corrupt countries in the world where political opponents and journalist who speak out are assassinated . I've worked there in the past


Its funny when Americans, who are used to fighting small third world groups the past 60 years who use camels as transportation, and have no Air Force, navy, air defense artillery tanks, understand modern warfare. Russia has no military doctrine? Their military doctrine has been the same since wwII

The UAF is getting destroyed in Kherson. That area is steppe and there is no cover for them. They get shelled as soon as they move out of cover. What have they done lately? That's certainly true. Yahoo is not a reliable source. Our army takes women, trannies and illegal aliens and depends on contractors to do the heavy lifting. Your point?

That rule of thumb doesn't apply here. Ukraine is about 1/2 ethnic Russian. A lot of AFU have defected to the Russian side. Eastern Ukraine welcomes Russia with open arms.

Russia has been steadily advancing through entrenched AFU in the East. They are about to take Siversk. All Russia has been doing is offense.

None of that seems to be stopping Russia. It surprises me that you don't understand how artillery is used to soften defenses before infantry assaults. The same tactics have been used throughout the history of modern warfare. Artillery really is the king of battle. I'd hate to be a grunt under your command.

How do you suggest fixed, fortified defenses be assaulted? Send men into the grinder?

A well respecter retired Colonel named Douglas Macgregor penned this article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Macgregor

Your uninformed diatribe is laughable,as well as link to "Financial Times".That's where I'd go to find correct information about this conflict.lol

This guy makes some good points, but he seems to have an agenda. For example, he says that any Ukrainian victory in the Kherson area would be only political because it would not affect the military situation it he eastern Donbas. I think that is incorrect. If the Ukrainians push the Russians back across the Dnieper River in the Kherson area, they won’t need many troops to defend the west bank of that immensely-wide river. Then, they can transfer most of those troops engaged there to the Donbas where the Russians already are struggling.

The map on that site is from the Institute for the Study of War. It's been updated daily and has proved to be accurate thus far.

You must live in "lala land".

Successful Democracies don't engage in these activities:

1.Ban all opposition political parties in Ukraine
2.Outlaw all media except those outlets controlled by his regime
3.Outlaw books, films, music, artwork and theatrical productions that reference the Russian-ethnic history of Ukraine.
4.Jail the opposition.
5.Support Nazis who have kidnapped,tortured and murdered the opposition.
6.Bomb civilians and indiscriminately kill 14,000 men,women and children.
7.Steal billions from the people of Ukraine and billions more from U.S.taxpayers.

Ukraine black list funded by US tax payers. Anyone who questions the war and corruption including Sen Rand Paul and Tulsi Gabbard banned from Ukraine

Good thing we sent over 60 billion to Neo nazi clown

https://cpd.gov.ua/reports/спікери-які-просувають-співзвучні-ро/

Compare Russian tactical offensive doctrine (or lack thereof) and capabilities to the far-superior doctrines, capabilities, and training of the U.S. Marine Corps in assaulting established infantry positions with anti-armor infantry weapons. Vehicle-bound units can effectively fight enemy armor without infantry support. But, defeating infantry with anti-armor capabilities (as with the Ukrainian forces), requires integrated tactical operations, based on extensive training, by a combined-arms force, involving well coordinated actions by armor and supporting infantry, which can be further improved by the competent coordinated use of close air support and artillery when available. This is totally lacking by the current Russian forces and actions in Ukraine and largely accounts for their failure to take a fraction of the ground they assumed they would have at the onset of the war. By way of one example, this combined-arms tactical doctrine has been mastered and used to great effect by the U.S. Marine Corps. It involves a well-coordinated lightning-fast employment and projection of violence from numerous directions and assets, which causes immediate chaos in the opposing infantry formations and a rapid decline in enemy command and control capabilities and morale. By contrast, the Russians seem to have naively believed that they could simply drive their forces into and through Ukraine with the optically-apparent omnipotence of their large inventory of powerful tanks and other armored vehicles. They just got blown up in their vehicles. That’s why they’re not in Kiev now.

You're like every other jack-wagon who is woefully uninformed .

You have a dire need to misquote members.

But UFA has already failed to push Russia back in Kherson. They get annihilated every time they try. The bridges are only a minor inconvenience to the Russians, since they control both sides of the river there. The just push equipment across by air or on temp bridges.

When was the last time the Marines fought anyone with a pulse?

lol. Funded by the military industrial complex who make money off of wars and lobbyists . 60 billion so far. zero legitimacy

This great institute sure helped in Afghanistan and Iraq. lol US lost those wars




he Institute for the Study of War (ISW) is a United States–based think tank founded in 2007 by Kimberly Kagan, providing research and analysis regarding issues of defense and foreign affairs. It has produced reports on the Syrian War, the War in Afghanistan, and the Iraq War, "focusing on military operations, enemy threats, and political trends in diverse conflict zones".[1][2] It currently publishes daily reports on the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.[3]

ISW was founded in response to the stagnation of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, with core funding provided by a group of defense contractors.[4] According to a mission statement on its website, ISW aims to provide "real-time, government-independent, and open-source analysis of ongoing military operations and insurgent attacks".[5] ISW currently operates as a nonprofit organization, supported by contributions from defense contractors[6] including General Dynamics, DynCorp,[7] and previously, Raytheon.[8] It is headquartered in Washington, D.C.[9]