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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Just a couple pics of mule deer in their natural surroundings in this part of the country.

The deer are practically invisible to the naked eye. Aperture sights would not be easy to see the target. Terrain/vegetation does not lend itself to 'square range' shooting positions.

My spotting location,
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Deer at 400 yards,

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Nice buck, bedded at 600 yards.

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With the aid of rangefinder, bipod, beanbag, optic with turrets (and plenty of practice building a field shooting position), all are doable.

If your hunting requires it?

Nothin' wrong with good support and fancy accoutrements.

In fact, there's nothing particularly wrong w/ them at all.


But if one needs them at <300 yards?

...then Marksmanship skills are lacking.

That's all.


Look at shooting aids like using a fish-finder for bass.

May help you win a tournament...

... but it's no part of bein' a fisherman.




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Originally Posted by Garandimal
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Just a couple pics of mule deer in their natural surroundings in this part of the country.

The deer are practically invisible to the naked eye. Aperture sights would not be easy to see the target. Terrain/vegetation does not lend itself to 'square range' shooting positions.

My spotting location,
[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Deer at 400 yards,

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

Nice buck, bedded at 600 yards.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]

With the aid of rangefinder, bipod, beanbag, optic with turrets (and plenty of practice building a field shooting position), all are doable.

If your hunting requires it?

Nothin' wrong with good support and fancy accoutrements.

In fact, there's nothing particularly wrong w/ them at all.


But if one needs them at <300 yards?

...then Marksmanship skills are lacking.

That's all.


Look at shooting aids like using a fish-finder for bass.

May help you win a tournament...

... but it's no part of bein' a fisherman.




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Oh no, now we're going to have to suffer that same prime rib photo, from the same restaurant, every 6 months, like he just ate it, last night !!!!

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Originally Posted by New_2_99s
Oh no, now we're going to have to suffer that same prime rib photo, from the same restaurant, every 6 months, like he just ate it, last night !!!!
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LOLOL.

Likely not though, he seems rather averse to posting BTDT picts.


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Originally Posted by Garandimal
Look at shooting aids like using a fish-finder for bass.

May help you win a tournament...

... but it's no part of bein' a fisherman.

Yep, and them goldurn artyfishil lures is cheatin' too by cracky.



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If you didn't learn this in the Service, were trained on an AR platform, or have neglected it to extinction...

... this is an outstanding reference source for smooth-bottom rifle Marksmanship, which is considerably more useful in the field and on the range than Table 2 Course of Fire.

Manual:
How to Shoot the U.S. Army Rifle (Downloadable PDF)

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Now, there is no reason to not be able to shoot < 4 MOA from field positions... only excuses.

You're welcome.

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Or you could use your brain, a rest, and shoot better than 4 moa.

News flash, some folks don't live in the 1940s.




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Originally Posted by Garandimal
If you didn't learn this in the Service, were trained on an AR platform, or have neglected it to extinction...

... this is an outstanding reference source for smooth-bottom rifle Marksmanship, which is considerably more useful in the field and on the range than Table 2 Course of Fire.

Manual:
How to Shoot the U.S. Army Rifle (Downloadable PDF)

Accompanying Video:


Now, there is no reason to not be able to shoot < 4 MOA from field positions... only excuses.

You're welcome.

8>)




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Never had the time to sling up myself in engagements 300 and in. If they were further we used air…. Way stinkin better than any sling…


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Originally Posted by Beaver10
This thread has been illuminating.

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You running for office whistle


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Originally Posted by Swamplord
dude sounds like schitload of Stolen Valor, some numbnuts playing far too much Call of Duty video games, playing dress up like the Comicon morons & now thinks he's some sort of elite operator ... except the Comicons don't think they're real superheroes

meh ....

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Holy smokes…. That was epic.


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Plenty of staunch Creed haters are those "good ol' boys" with .270s shooting 2 points. They're just as much of snobby elitists as those they're mocking.

Anyhow I am genuinely curious if the OP just wants to get a rise out of people, or if he is serious. I can't tell with this one but am edging towards him being serious at first, but realized the hole he dug and is now playing dumb and backpeddling quietly. I doubt he's really dumb enough to admit to shooting ducks with a .22 LR on the open net, if he really does do that.



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Fuuck you Sally’s, I’m callin in a ammo drop, if there’s lead in the air, there’s death!!! Fuuck you marksman !! 🖕🏿🖕🏿👊🏻👊🏻


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Anyhow I am genuinely curious if the OP just wants to get a rise out of people, or if he is serious.

He's getting a lot of attention, so keeping it on a roll, or at least me thinks.

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< 4 MOA marksmanship from field positions - is not all that difficult, if one understands the drill and works a little at it.

Fast-food drive-thru's are full of those who don't both.

Crutches - are like that.




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Originally Posted by Garandimal
< 4 MOA marksmanship from field positions - is not all that difficult, if one understands the drill and works a little at it.

Fast-food drive-thru's are full of those who don't both.

Crutches - are like that.




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It's actually so easy to do - I wonder why some tout it like they've actually accomplished something. Then again, those who chose to use a tripod/bipod/rest etc - they're the types not happy with "bare minimums" and "good enough". If you can, you do. And often, you can. So why not use the rest and get to 1 MOA.


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Originally Posted by Teal
Originally Posted by Garandimal
< 4 MOA marksmanship from field positions - is not all that difficult, if one understands the drill and works a little at it.

Fast-food drive-thru's are full of those who don't both.

Crutches - are like that.




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It's actually so easy to do - I wonder why some tout it like they've actually accomplished something. Then again, those who chose to use a tripod/bipod/rest etc - they're the types not happy with "bare minimums" and "good enough". If you can, you do. And often, you can. So why not use the rest and get to 1 MOA.

Agree that it's pretty easy.

But disagree that most can.

In fact, these days, most can't, and don't even know how.


Crutches are like that.

And they think that, because everybody else is using then...?

... it's just the new way to walk.


Marksmanship - is a skill.




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My marksmanship is minute of beer can.

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The fundamentals of marksmanship do not change. Doesn't matter if your artificial support is your loop sling and radius/ulna, or a Harris bipod, or a tripod, or a fallen tree, or a big rock.

With optics, sight alignment falls out of the list. But sight picture, support, natural point of aim, breathing control, trigger control, follow through, all still apply equally.

And 4 moa marksmanship "skill", will not get you very far on a prairie dog town, or many other situations.

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