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Re: Kimber Alternative bobmn #17508533 08/12/22
Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 14,992 Likes: 10 E earlybrd Campfire Outfitter
earlybrd Campfire Outfitter E Joined: Nov 2015 Posts: 14,992 Likes: 10	Originally Posted by bobmn Ingwe: I agree with everything you say about Howa/Vanguard rifles. However you left one thing out. They are so darn heavy. Not only does the 2 lb. 13 oz. action weigh the same as a Mauser 98 action but the factory injection molded stock is one of the heaviest I have seen. The only time I use my Vanguard rifle is when I get delivered to my shooting hut by electric golf cart in Alabama. When I am hoofing it every where else I hunt my 5 1/2 lb. Winchester Model 70 Lightweight is more approriate. Just for comparison a Remington 700 action weighs 2 lb. 4 oz. I own several light weights nice guns

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Re: Kimber Alternative ingwe #17508775 08/12/22
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,699 Houston, TX T TXRam Campfire Tracker
TXRam Campfire Tracker T Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,699 Houston, TX	Originally Posted by ingwe And unlike Kimber, they function, and shoot reliably and accurately. How ‘bout we stick to facts?!

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17509492 08/12/22
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,608 Likes: 3 Interior, Alaska M mainer_in_ak Campfire Regular
mainer_in_ak Campfire Regular M Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,608 Likes: 3 Interior, Alaska	What about a ruger american compact in 308 winchester? As light as the rest, accurate, and an actual short action. A Leopold 2.5x ultralight in weaver aluminum rings, you'd be at 6.4 lbs scoped. That 37" overall length would be a perfect set-up only setting you back about $600 for rifle, scope and rings.

Re: Kimber Alternative mainer_in_ak #17509531 08/13/22
Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 708 Likes: 1 Appalachian Mountains North Ca... M MosesTucker OP Campfire Regular
OP MosesTucker Campfire Regular M Joined: Apr 2020 Posts: 708 Likes: 1 Appalachian Mountains North Ca...	Mainer, this is a great idea. I actually have a compact American in 7-08 for my daughter. Would work great.

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17510671 08/13/22
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	One of them "heavy" Howies. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17525939 08/18/22
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 293 Central British Columbia brno284 Campfire Member
brno284 Campfire Member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 293 Central British Columbia	Stick, What bottom metal are you running in that Howa.? Last edited by brno284; 08/18/22. If it moves shoot it again!!

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17526268 08/18/22
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	Wayne's World aluminum BDL bottom,like this. Hint. Not a bad way to fly. Hint............ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17526270 08/18/22
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,406 B bobmn Campfire Regular
bobmn Campfire Regular B Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,406	Stick is that a Mini Mauser action in your photo? The Howa Mini-Mauser action weighs 2 lb 1 oz. if you can live with .223 Remington length cartridge. The actual magazine box is 2.8" inches long. At one time Firearms International offered the Mini Mauser in 22/250 but there was not much meat left when the bolt face was opened up to .473.

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17526357 08/18/22
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	The Howie Mini and a Mouser Mini,are VERY different animals,in that the Mouser is a clunky piece of fhuqking schit,as a BEST case scenario. Hint. For conversation and why nothing Mouser can begin to "compete". Hint. I personally prefer the 22PPC AFI to a '250 and same(PPC AFI) is housed MAGNIFICENTLY in the Mini Howie,with .545 BC magfed Smooches. Hint. All S/S would be nice. Hint. Which is why I likely have a "few" Montuckies. Hint................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17526762 08/18/22
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,721 Colorado Springs, CO T TexasTBag Campfire Regular
TexasTBag Campfire Regular T Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,721 Colorado Springs, CO	What DD mounts are on the minis? A quick google came up Mark V. Would love to lower the scope on my son’s mini in a Boyd’s carbon. Last edited by TexasTBag; 08/18/22. Despite my user name, no I am not from Texas.........

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Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17526803 08/18/22
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	Reupold Rem 700 REVF DD's. Hint.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17528200 08/18/22
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,360 D drano 25 Campfire Regular
drano 25 Campfire Regular D Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,360	You gotta really watch the weight on those minis, they get burdensome. Must be the ‘bull barrel’, or maybe because it’s a magnum. Last edited by drano 25; 08/18/22. Don't speculate when you don't know, and don't second guess when you do.

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17528397 08/18/22
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	It's ALL about the barrel contour and the 22PPC AFI is indeed Magnumer than fhuqk. Hint. Nearly hurt my Baby 270 Montucky's heart,in OEM guise. Nearly. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Kimber Alternative Big Stick #17529118 08/19/22
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,406 B bobmn Campfire Regular
bobmn Campfire Regular B Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,406	Stick: Thanks for weighing the Howa Mini action.

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17529136 08/19/22
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	That's a Montucky 84M wearing a .473" snout,which became a Baby 6BR of Legend. Hint. You are doing "GREAT!" and really "know" your stuff. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17531337 08/19/22
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,613 NC MGunns Campfire Regular
MGunns Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,613 NC	I saw one a few weeks ago if we're talking the same rifle. It was the Howa superlite. They make in 308 or 6.5 creedmore. From the website 4.7 lbs. After handling it I believe it. The stock was slim and a tacky texture. I'm not a huge fan of the kryptic camo etc but I'll say the rifle felt amazing in my hands. My good friend was also pretty impressed. Price was 1100.

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17531377 08/20/22
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,589 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	Nawwwwwwwww...you were referencing this. Hint. I was referencing these. Them differences are stark and your numbers are crossed. Hint. Just sayin'................... Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: Kimber Alternative MosesTucker #17536164 08/21/22
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Billy_Goat Campfire Regular Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 830 Denton, TX	take a look at the (now discontinued) SAvage LWH series. the boy and I use these as primary elk rifles in .308. 1.25" 5 shot groups from a rifle that weighs 7# 0oz scoped and ready to hunt. First teach a child to love God, second teach him to love family, third teach him to fish and hunt and by the time he is in his teens no dope dealer under the sun can teach him anything. Cotton Cordell

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