We must determine our definition of “long distance”! Here are my personal requirements….. An accurate rifle, using a fairly high BC bullet upwards of .30 caliber, that will give adequate expansion at the pre-determined distance limit involved, lots of trigger time with said rifle, and carefully choosing good atmospheric conditions! When you’ve satisfied all those parameters……having, as in my case, over 2000 ft/pounds of remaining energy at my personal limit of 600 yards is desirable! memtb
Here's to ya.
2000 ft-lbs. at 600 yards, even for a heavy rifle, bumps me out of precision shooting.
1500 ft-lbs. at 600 yards, with a 9.5 lb rifle, is about it, and not all day long, either.
But the .270 Win. can do that, if one is careful.
GR
FPE is irealavant quote such shows ignorance
Energy/Impact Velocity/Bullet Construction/Shot Placement - are the only things a hunter has.
...Would like to hear about GA's, "The formulas used to determine bullet selection and impact velocity, on game inside that range, have proven themselves over a lifetime of hunting."
What does a "know-it-all" need with applied physics?
It’s a 9 pounder, and the recoil gets your attention! I’m certainly not good for more than 20 to 30 (30 is pushing it) rounds at a sitting with full house loads. I’d prefer to keep the round count under 10…..as the shoulder is pretty sore the next day! It’s shot very little with full house loads…..that’s what light loads in it and small bore rifles are for! memtb
Found out long ago that, for me, precision field shooting drops off when recoil gets in the 20's.
The .270/150 gr./2800 fps. is an all day load for me in an 8.5 lb rifle.
The .30/180 gr./2700 fps. is not.
Can still shoot it pretty well, same as the 9.3mm/286 gr., but not with the precision necessary for < 1.5 MOA in the field.
So, was thinkin' to speed up a high BC .277" 150/165 gr. using the .270 Win. case, or find a suitable 6.5mm cartridge.
The 6.5x55mm can't match it to 600 yards.
The 6.5 PRC will, but the fat case is problematic in the candidate M700 rifle.
...People have no business starting their long range shooting learning curve the way you are determined to do so. Starting out knowing nothing, thinking you know everything is a big problem, as you will finally figure it out with experience...
The point of this thread, professor, is to determine what is necessary for shooting from 4-600 yards at game... versus < 400 yards.
Already have a scoped rifle that handles < 400 yards just fine, and am a competent rifleman out to well beyond that.
Thinking about building a hunting rifle good for 600 yards.
Started a thread RE: that.
Got mostly attitude and emotional outbursts so far.
Was maybe expecting some practical advise.
Thanks.
GR
You don't need to build a rifle for 600 yards, rookie. Any will do to learn on. You need to learn to shoot one that you have already.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
I think he's a troll, volleying the General Big Game and the Ask the Gunwriters forums. It's Lee24 with a side of ElkSlayer91 and a sanctimonious dash of Savage_99.
Participation in local precision matches is probably the most important part of the equation. It will make you a better rifleman and a better Hunter.
Agreed, you are 100% correct. I stated that it is still Good advise. Shooting in matches will definitely make you a better rifleman and a better Hunter. I haven't shot in a shooting competition since 1980. It's been a while. I was just trying to convey the fact that one can begin to learn some long range skills before adding the pressure and time constraints of competition.
We must determine our definition of “long distance”! Here are my personal requirements….. An accurate rifle, using a fairly high BC bullet upwards of .30 caliber, that will give adequate expansion at the pre-determined distance limit involved, lots of trigger time with said rifle, and carefully choosing good atmospheric conditions! When you’ve satisfied all those parameters……having, as in my case, over 2000 ft/pounds of remaining energy at my personal limit of 600 yards is desirable! memtb
Here's to ya.
2000 ft-lbs. at 600 yards, even for a heavy rifle, bumps me out of precision shooting.
1500 ft-lbs. at 600 yards, with a 9.5 lb rifle, is about it, and not all day long, either.
But the .270 Win. can do that, if one is careful.
GR
FPE is irealavant quote such shows ignorance
Energy/Impact Velocity/Bullet Construction/Shot Placement - are the only things a hunter has.
... so your opinion is irrelevant.
GR
You're long on theory and devoid of experience
Any thing from a 243 and up will work just fine with proper [bleep] placement which brings us the the lone requirement which is accuracy Just watch a few videos of the 243 dropping elk in their tracks at 800+ yards
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
We must determine our definition of “long distance”! Here are my personal requirements….. An accurate rifle, using a fairly high BC bullet upwards of .30 caliber, that will give adequate expansion at the pre-determined distance limit involved, lots of trigger time with said rifle, and carefully choosing good atmospheric conditions! When you’ve satisfied all those parameters……having, as in my case, over 2000 ft/pounds of remaining energy at my personal limit of 600 yards is desirable! memtb
Here's to ya.
2000 ft-lbs. at 600 yards, even for a heavy rifle, bumps me out of precision shooting.
1500 ft-lbs. at 600 yards, with a 9.5 lb rifle, is about it, and not all day long, either.
But the .270 Win. can do that, if one is careful.
GR
FPE is irealavant quote such shows ignorance
Energy/Impact Velocity/Bullet Construction/Shot Placement - are the only things a hunter has.
... so your opinion is irrelevant.
GR
Mine is more than opinion
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
That's an impressive shot for sure, can't take anything away from that shooter and the results....still, nobody posts the videos of their F'ups and the ones that ran off crippled.
That's an impressive shot for sure, can't take anything away from that shooter and the results....still, nobody posts the videos of their F'ups and the ones that ran off crippled.
Accuracy keeps them from running off. The video also shows the fallacy of FPE. FPE doesn't kill but holes through vital organs does kill
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
The 3-9 scope I use on my .270 for up to 350 yards isn't enough for me at 600 yards. I like at least 12 power at that distance, but around 18 power is better (for me), a 16 oz trigger, a 27 inch barrel and an 11 pound plus rifle. I use Bergers at that distance on medium size game because of their superb accuracy in my rifle, decent bc, and their emphatic kills at that distance on medium size game.
...People have no business starting their long range shooting learning curve the way you are determined to do so. Starting out knowing nothing, thinking you know everything is a big problem, as you will finally figure it out with experience...
The point of this thread, professor, is to determine what is necessary for shooting from 4-600 yards at game... versus < 400 yards.
Already have a scoped rifle that handles < 400 yards just fine, and am a competent rifleman out to well beyond that.
Thinking about building a hunting rifle good for 600 yards.
Started a thread RE: that.
Got mostly attitude and emotional outbursts so far.
Was maybe expecting some practical advise.
Thanks.
GR
You don't need to build a rifle for 600 yards, rookie. Any will do to learn on. You need to learn to shoot one that you have already.
Not happy w/ my std. hunting rifle/loads past 400.
So am looking into a 600 yd. capable rifle/load.
You might be of some use in that regard, if you ever grow up.
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