Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters What Does It Take - to Hunt Medium/Large Game at 600 Yards?

I think maybe what he is saying is update your current scope to a capable optic of dialing past 400 yards. IF your load is truly good at 400, then it will work at 600 for accuracy and learning, your optics are the weak link. You don't need to get a crazy set up to get out to 600 yards really. If your loads aren't sufficient for 400 yard accuracy, a bullet swap will get you where you wanna be, but your current rifle is probably just fine and there are some decent bullets out there to train with.

That may be.

Why the thread.

But relying on perfect shot placement with marginal rounds on game animals... is not for me.

You are more than welcome to.

My floor is a heavy 6.5mm, and like a heavy .277" even better.




GR

Are you an idiot, a troll or both?

No round works without proper shot placement

Well... a bullet swap and "dialing" scope is really all I'm after anyway, based on the .270 Win..

The longer/heavier 1:8 twist Bbl. will stabilize the ABLR bullets. The 150 gr. better, and 165 gr. at all.

24" length will help increase MV w/ RL-26 or similar powder, w/o making the rifle into a truck axle.


Would also start w/ the old 3-9 scope, and see how that went, w/ an eye to a modern long range "dialing" rig of some kind.

Not a big fan of over-magnification, as a solid 8" hit is all that's necessary, and more than enough just magnifies problems.


So, nothin' really "crazy," except most of the responses.




GR

I'd just load some 150 ABLR's in your current rig and see where you're at. The little bit of BC you're giving up with your 10 twist won't make a hill of beans difference for learning purposes.

There are a bunch of good 10X or less scopes that dial correctly and honestly, for what you're doing a plain old 6 or 10X SS MQ is one of the best teachers out there.

Find an Adult to help you w/ my responses.

... as "Shot Placement" is one of the four listed.

There are places in an 8" shot zone that a .243" at 600 yards won't handle very well.

You go ahead and gamble.




GR

Always interesting - ask a question/look for advice and then argue with everyone that gives it. Seems like you already know the answer so why the thread?

If it's in the vital it dam sure will handke it. How would you know their are spors in the vitals that a 243 will not handle?

Answer: you don't because you are an idiot.

Have had several shooters tell me they couldn't get the ABLR to shoot well where we hunt.


Wind is the biggest factor at 600, if a laser is used for the range and you have the rifle dope.

Know next to nothing about modern dialing scopes for long range shooting.

Have a 2.5-8x36mm on my current rifle and that has been more than adequate to 400 yds.


As stated, an 8" target is the design spec.

With a 1 MOA rifle/load, that's a little better than 0.5 MOA for the shooter.

Dial in the load a little better, and that frees up the shooter a little.

Not shooting the M700 project candidate anymore, and this would be an interesting project, given the existing rifle (sub-MOA) and cartridge familiarity.




GR

For help w/ those things 4-600 yard hunting related that are unknown to me.

Adolescent tantrums wasn't part of the OP query.

Have anything to contribute that was in the OP?

Or, are you just here to feel better.




GR

Why do you listen to what they said, you don't listen to anyone here after asking the question

Yep an idiot troll

Well, ever since Burns whimpered and slithered away from this site, camuglia has actually given some great information and insight on various subjects. You are obviously too dense to realize that he gave you some very sound advice in his response to you. You keep saying you're a very competent and accomplished shooter/hunter, but lip service don't count. Just sayin'.

So, a 103 gr. ELD-X, w/ a MV of 2960 fps, has an impact velocity of 1970 fps and 885 ft-lbs of energy at 600 yards.

A 90 gr. ELD-X, w/ a MV of 3150 fps, has an impact velocity of 1895 fps and 720 ft-lbs of energy.


Lightweight bullets w/ pistol caliber impact velocity/energy.

How far will they run?

... in a swamp or thicket?

You go ahead and gamble.




GR

Say all you want.

It obviously makes you feel better.

Means nothin' to me, though.

... as was your contribution.


This place is like a kindergarten.

Ha!




GR

Old hunter says: "If you cannot get within 200 yards of any big game animal, you should hire a real hunter to show you how."

Remember that Finnish sniper with the most kills of anyone ? Killed most with a subgun ----- had to be close.

Fred Bear killed everything with a RECURVE BOW. The defense rests.

Anyone that blindly quotes ft-lbs of energy as a measuring stick for effectiveness I pretty much disregard. It doesn’t translate well to real world hunting. As others have said. Stick a bullet through the vitals with enough impact speed for the particular bullet to expand and its end of story.

People that come looking for answers and then turn into know it all experts when they don’t get the answer that they want are enjoying.

You are without a doubt an idiot troll

Exactly 💯% fact

GR[/quote] People that come looking for answers and then turn into know it all experts when they don’t get the answer that they want are enjoying.[/quote]

The more GA posts, the more I believe he's a "victim" of the Dunning-Kruger Effect--which isn't uncommon on Internet forums.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

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