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Most of what GA has posted points to an extreme lack of knowledge and experience. Nothing wrong with that, we were all there at one time in our lives.
The sad part is he won't listen to some very good advice offered up by those that have actually been there, done that and is incapable of accepting that many of his preconceived ideas are wrong.
He's trying to hide his ignorance with his arrogance, thus proving both.
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Well said MickeyD. He reminds me of guys who will look you in the face and tell you their accuracy capabilities are greater than the guns they use but are OK for normal schmucks...mb
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Most of what GA has posted points to an extreme lack of knowledge and experience. Nothing wrong with that, we were all there at one time in our lives.
The sad part is he won't listen to some very good advice offered up by those that have actually been there, done that and is incapable of accepting that many of his preconceived ideas are wrong.
He's trying to hide his ignorance with his arrogance, thus proving both. Well said MickeyD. He reminds me of guys who will look you in the face and tell you their accuracy capabilities are greater than the guns they use but are OK for normal schmucks...mb Feel better? These are the obtuse responses that ignore the OP, and have turned this thread into a useless Seven page cathartic whine-fest. This place is a kindergarten. GR
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- Heavy for caliber 6.5mm, pushed to .270 Win. velocities, shows no ballistic advantage out to 600 yds Wrong. Prove it. GR
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I was about to fire that one up.. The latest easy button is a 6.5 PRC...
Same/similar case capacity as the 270 Win, but compare the 147 ELD or even the 143 ELD or a handful of others against the 270 Win. I like the 270 alot and hunt it a bunch, but if you truly want the easy button the 6.5's tromp all over just about anything you can feed a 270 Win, and do it with easy to source bullets.
I'll use your digits for you to compare.
6.5 PRC (2900) with a 147 ELD BC .697 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 17.1
270 Win (2900) with a 145 ELD BC .536 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 24.1
If you wanna stick with the 06 case, the 6.5-06 would be the next easiest since you already have cases. In either case, all the numbers that are important to you are going to be in favor of the 6.5, Impact Velocity and Energy.
But, if your skills are already up to it, and your rifle is MOA at 400, then I still think you add a set of quality rings, bases and a SWFA, ARKEN, Trij, etc onto your gun and just shoot before you really get knee deep into a build. Wearing a throat some will definitely tell you if you need to change it up. 600 is pretty easy for a plain old 22-250 with normal bullets if you have the gun/optics to aim them, and you'll learn a helluva lot about wind with something like that as well.
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I was about to fire that one up.. The latest easy button is a 6.5 PRC...
Same/similar case capacity as the 270 Win, but compare the 147 ELD or even the 143 ELD or a handful of others against the 270 Win. I like the 270 alot and hunt it a bunch, but if you truly want the easy button the 6.5's tromp all over just about anything you can feed a 270 Win, and do it with easy to source bullets.
I'll use your digits for you to compare.
6.5 PRC (2900) with a 147 ELD BC .697 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 17.1
270 Win (2900) with a 145 ELD BC .536 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 24.1
If you wanna stick with the 06 case, the 6.5-06 would be the next easiest since you already have cases. In either case, all the numbers that are important to you are going to be in favor of the 6.5, Impact Velocity and Energy.
But, if your skills are already up to it, and your rifle is MOA at 400, then I still think you add a set of quality rings, bases and a SWFA, ARKEN, Trij, etc onto your gun and just shoot before you really get knee deep into a build. Wearing a throat some will definitely tell you if you need to change it up. 600 is pretty easy for a plain old 22-250 with normal bullets if you have the gun/optics to aim them, and you'll learn a helluva lot about wind with something like that as well. - 6.5 PRC case won't fit the bolt face of the candidate rifle. - .270 Win./150 gr. ABLR/3000 at 600 yds - 2122 fps/1500 ft-lbs/20" drift. 3" at 600 yards? Not worth the trade-off requiring a new rifle/cartridge set-up. Maybe starting from scratch. The 6.5mm - is fine in the Swede. GR
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...But, if your skills are already up to it, and your rifle is MOA at 400, then I still think you add a set of quality rings, bases and a SWFA, ARKEN, Trij, etc onto your gun and just shoot before you really get knee deep into a build. Wearing a throat some will definitely tell you if you need to change it up. 600 is pretty easy for a plain old 22-250 with normal bullets if you have the gun/optics to aim them, and you'll learn a helluva lot about wind with something like that as well. 600 is doable w/ my current 22" rig, just not optimum. It's an 8.5 lb. M70 w/ a 2.5-8x36mm scope. Shoots great. Like it just the way it is for 99% of my hunting. The pencil Bbl'ed M700 in the freezer just sits there. What is the particular problem w/ the idea of spinning on a longer/heavier Bbl., and maybe some better glass and gadgets, for a dedicated longer range hunting rifle? Unfathomable. GR
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Most of what GA has posted points to an extreme lack of knowledge and experience. Nothing wrong with that, we were all there at one time in our lives.
The sad part is he won't listen to some very good advice offered up by those that have actually been there, done that and is incapable of accepting that many of his preconceived ideas are wrong.
He's trying to hide his ignorance with his arrogance, thus proving both. Well said MickeyD. He reminds me of guys who will look you in the face and tell you their accuracy capabilities are greater than the guns they use but are OK for normal schmucks...mb Feel better? These are the obtuse responses that ignore the OP, and have turned this thread into a useless Seven page cathartic whine-fest. This place is a kindergarten. GR Then STFU, go away and don't come back.
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...If you wanna stick with the 06 case, the 6.5-06 would be the next easiest since you already have cases. In either case, all the numbers that are important to you are going to be in favor of the 6.5, Impact Velocity and Energy... Looked long at the 6.5-06. Still, a lot of trouble for 3" at 600 yds. Am already well entrenched in the .270 Win., and it meets the spec. 600 yds - 2122 fps/1500 ft-lbs/20" drift. A .277/7PRC might get me to move a little... but that is a dark horse. GR
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Someone needs to lose the shovel...
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Then STFU, go away and don't come back. Well, in that case... GR
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Someone needs to lose the shovel... Feel better? This place is a kindergarten. GR
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I was about to fire that one up.. The latest easy button is a 6.5 PRC...
Same/similar case capacity as the 270 Win, but compare the 147 ELD or even the 143 ELD or a handful of others against the 270 Win. I like the 270 alot and hunt it a bunch, but if you truly want the easy button the 6.5's tromp all over just about anything you can feed a 270 Win, and do it with easy to source bullets.
I'll use your digits for you to compare.
6.5 PRC (2900) with a 147 ELD BC .697 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 17.1
270 Win (2900) with a 145 ELD BC .536 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 24.1
If you wanna stick with the 06 case, the 6.5-06 would be the next easiest since you already have cases. In either case, all the numbers that are important to you are going to be in favor of the 6.5, Impact Velocity and Energy.
But, if your skills are already up to it, and your rifle is MOA at 400, then I still think you add a set of quality rings, bases and a SWFA, ARKEN, Trij, etc onto your gun and just shoot before you really get knee deep into a build. Wearing a throat some will definitely tell you if you need to change it up. 600 is pretty easy for a plain old 22-250 with normal bullets if you have the gun/optics to aim them, and you'll learn a helluva lot about wind with something like that as well. - 6.5 PRC case won't fit the bolt face of the candidate rifle. - .270 Win./150 gr. ABLR/3000 at 600 yds - 2122 fps/1500 ft-lbs/20" drift. 3" at 600 yards? Not worth the trade-off requiring a new rifle/cartridge set-up. Maybe starting from scratch. The 6.5mm - is fine in the Swede. GR But that wasn't your complaint or why you swung your purse. You're moving the goal posts. You claimed the 6.5 wasn't better than the .270 to 600 yards at 270 velocity. Jordan said you were wrong. You snarked a "prove it" - it was proven. You're wrong - the 6.5 is better than the 270 to 600 yards at 270 velocity. The other parts about platform weren't the point of contention. You're just not man enough to admit you're wrong. You still haven't admitted you're wrong. You're the kindergartner. - Heavy for caliber 6.5mm, pushed to .270 Win. velocities, shows no ballistic advantage out to 600 yds Wrong. Prove it. GR
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I was about to fire that one up.. The latest easy button is a 6.5 PRC...
Same/similar case capacity as the 270 Win, but compare the 147 ELD or even the 143 ELD or a handful of others against the 270 Win. I like the 270 alot and hunt it a bunch, but if you truly want the easy button the 6.5's tromp all over just about anything you can feed a 270 Win, and do it with easy to source bullets.
I'll use your digits for you to compare.
6.5 PRC (2900) with a 147 ELD BC .697 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 17.1
270 Win (2900) with a 145 ELD BC .536 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 24.1
If you wanna stick with the 06 case, the 6.5-06 would be the next easiest since you already have cases. In either case, all the numbers that are important to you are going to be in favor of the 6.5, Impact Velocity and Energy.
But, if your skills are already up to it, and your rifle is MOA at 400, then I still think you add a set of quality rings, bases and a SWFA, ARKEN, Trij, etc onto your gun and just shoot before you really get knee deep into a build. Wearing a throat some will definitely tell you if you need to change it up. 600 is pretty easy for a plain old 22-250 with normal bullets if you have the gun/optics to aim them, and you'll learn a helluva lot about wind with something like that as well. - 6.5 PRC case won't fit the bolt face of the candidate rifle. - .270 Win./150 gr. ABLR/3000 at 600 yds - 2122 fps/1500 ft-lbs/20" drift. 3" at 600 yards? Not worth the trade-off requiring a new rifle/cartridge set-up. Maybe starting from scratch. The 6.5mm - is fine in the Swede. GR But that wasn't your complaint or why you swung your purse. You're moving the goal posts. You claimed the 6.5 wasn't better than the .270 to 600 yards at 270 velocity. Jordan said you were wrong. You snarked a "prove it" - it was proven. You're wrong - the 6.5 is better than the 270 to 600 yards at 270 velocity. The other parts about platform weren't the point of contention. You're just not man enough to admit you're wrong. You still haven't admitted you're wrong. You're the kindergartner. [quote=Garandimal]
- Heavy for caliber 6.5mm, pushed to .270 Win. velocities, shows no ballistic advantage out to 600 yds Wrong. Prove it. GR ![[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]](https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ww233/beretzs/IuP.gif)
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SOOOooooo:
6.5 = .270 = .280
standing by for vitriolic retort......
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Use the 270 you are building. It will work, as a host of others. Use a GOOD SOLID scope and go shoot a bunch!
I use the 145 ELD-X in my 1:10 270 with a nightforce scope. Found it fairly easy to get out to 600 consistently with acceptable accuracy. I started having trouble at >700 yards. This was shooting at a friends range that goes out to a mile.
I have a 1:8 twist on order from Pac-Nor because I want to shoot some of the newer heavier 277 bullets. Even though the LR thing is not really for me and there better cartridge choices than a 270. But like you am well entrenched with the 270. I have zero interest in competing or actually shooting game at 600 plus yards. But I like to mess around banging steel every once in awhile. Sure makes normal hunting range shots a piece of cake.
There has been A LOT of good advice given here. Listen to it or don't. But one thing is certain, you need to go out and shoot! Actual range time will teach you a bunch.
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I was about to fire that one up.. The latest easy button is a 6.5 PRC...
Same/similar case capacity as the 270 Win, but compare the 147 ELD or even the 143 ELD or a handful of others against the 270 Win. I like the 270 alot and hunt it a bunch, but if you truly want the easy button the 6.5's tromp all over just about anything you can feed a 270 Win, and do it with easy to source bullets.
I'll use your digits for you to compare.
6.5 PRC (2900) with a 147 ELD BC .697 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 17.1
270 Win (2900) with a 145 ELD BC .536 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 24.1
If you wanna stick with the 06 case, the 6.5-06 would be the next easiest since you already have cases. In either case, all the numbers that are important to you are going to be in favor of the 6.5, Impact Velocity and Energy.
But, if your skills are already up to it, and your rifle is MOA at 400, then I still think you add a set of quality rings, bases and a SWFA, ARKEN, Trij, etc onto your gun and just shoot before you really get knee deep into a build. Wearing a throat some will definitely tell you if you need to change it up. 600 is pretty easy for a plain old 22-250 with normal bullets if you have the gun/optics to aim them, and you'll learn a helluva lot about wind with something like that as well. - 6.5 PRC case won't fit the bolt face of the candidate rifle. - .270 Win./150 gr. ABLR/3000 at 600 yds - 2122 fps/1500 ft-lbs/20" drift. 3" at 600 yards? Not worth the trade-off requiring a new rifle/cartridge set-up. Maybe starting from scratch. The 6.5mm - is fine in the Swede. GR Yep. 100% troll. But mad props to the fine folks here that exercised patience and even took the time to try to enlighten this phuuuktard. He's not interested in enlightenment, only in serving up vexations as cover for his own inadequacies as both hunter and human.
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I was about to fire that one up.. The latest easy button is a 6.5 PRC...
Same/similar case capacity as the 270 Win, but compare the 147 ELD or even the 143 ELD or a handful of others against the 270 Win. I like the 270 alot and hunt it a bunch, but if you truly want the easy button the 6.5's tromp all over just about anything you can feed a 270 Win, and do it with easy to source bullets.
I'll use your digits for you to compare.
6.5 PRC (2900) with a 147 ELD BC .697 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 17.1
270 Win (2900) with a 145 ELD BC .536 ---- 600 yards 10 MPH Wind Drift 24.1
If you wanna stick with the 06 case, the 6.5-06 would be the next easiest since you already have cases. In either case, all the numbers that are important to you are going to be in favor of the 6.5, Impact Velocity and Energy.
But, if your skills are already up to it, and your rifle is MOA at 400, then I still think you add a set of quality rings, bases and a SWFA, ARKEN, Trij, etc onto your gun and just shoot before you really get knee deep into a build. Wearing a throat some will definitely tell you if you need to change it up. 600 is pretty easy for a plain old 22-250 with normal bullets if you have the gun/optics to aim them, and you'll learn a helluva lot about wind with something like that as well. Reminds me of a Bobin post buddy.. Well said..
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