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Any documents Trump took to his house he declassified as President of the United States. His authority to do so is constitutional.

Where in the Constitution or case law is this written? Just asking.

You already know this, but here you go anywho.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/484/518/


https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-08/memorandum%20opinion.pdf

The case law you cited seem very different than this case, an argument will need to be made on the applicability.
For starters,

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington D.C. ultimately rejected Judicial Watch's suit by concluding there was no provision in the Presidential Records Act to force the National Archives to seize records from a former president. Meaning they cannot have what a former President says they cannot have.

How does that relate to the improper storage of Classified documents?

Was Judicial Watch suing for Trump's records?
What classified documents.

Classified documents will have a paper trail if they been properly declassified. Presidents don't have King like powers, you know this.


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They want to keep Trump viable for as long as possible. He is the greatest fundraiser the Democrat party ever had. They send out dozens of mass emails every day to the party faithful promising to indict/convict/imprison/destroy Trump if only loyal Democrats can chip in $5.00 by 11:59 pm tonight. Lose Trump, lose the boogeyman. TDS keeps the Democrat lunatic base fired up. He’s better for democrat fundraising than Obama was for selling guns.
Trump generates $millions from we the people contributing $25-$50-$100-$200 at a pop.

The Democrat voters are cheap ass Union teachers, Dumb ass Union members, those on the dole, poor minorities and Dead People, none of which are going to send money to the DNC. The Democrat party gets its money from Wall Street, Big Pharma, Corporate America and wealthy eccentrics like Gates, Bezos, Dorsey, Zuckerberg, Soros, and lobbies groups.

Shutting Trump down isn’t going to affect the DNC influx of money one damn bit.

But THEY have George Soros......................


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You ever play chess?

If you can manage to take out the king... there is a very strong chance you will win the game...

Ya think?


So...

Do the radical Marxists who have been doing all this for the past 6 years just think WE are going to go away?


Are they delusional enough to believe nobody else will gain our backing?

They will attack and persecute whoever takes on the Swamp. But that will only strengthen resolve.

The past 6 years? Guess again. Guess again. The communists have been around for a long time. An interesting book, "A Spy Among Friends" covers the career of Kim Philby who spied for communist Russia from the late 1920s until he had to bolt and flee to Russia. Seem the communists had infiltrated MI5 and MI6 well before the end of WW2. It also brought out the the communists were well intrenched in our OSS which later became the CIA. Kind of makes one wonder if that was why the Bay of Pigs deal in Cuba failed. Did the commies buried in the CIA give Castro warning? Another interesting book, "The Forgotten 500" details flyers who flew B-17s that were shot up tried to bail out over Yugoslavia whenever possible. There were two groups of partisans fighting the Germans, one led by Marshall Tito, a communist and the other whose name escapes me right now who was pro-American. Why did we give aid and arms to Tito who turned captured airmen over to the Germans while the other guy did everything possible to save and get them out? Of course, when it was obvious Germany was going to lose the war, Tito stared helping downed flyers escape capture. God only knows when the communists got a foothold in this country, but I'm thinking probably got their best chance during the great depression. This brings out the question and an accusation; when did the Democrat Party morph into the "Democratic" Party AKA the Communist party? Any takers?
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Originally Posted by Squidge
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Originally Posted by Daveinjax
Any documents Trump took to his house he declassified as President of the United States. His authority to do so is constitutional.

Where in the Constitution or case law is this written? Just asking.

You already know this, but here you go anywho.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/484/518/


https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-08/memorandum%20opinion.pdf

The case law you cited seem very different than this case, an argument will need to be made on the applicability.
For starters,

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington D.C. ultimately rejected Judicial Watch's suit by concluding there was no provision in the Presidential Records Act to force the National Archives to seize records from a former president. Meaning they cannot have what a former President says they cannot have.

How does that relate to the improper storage of Classified documents?

Was Judicial Watch suing for Trump's records?
What classified documents.

Classified documents willl have a paper trail if they been properly declassified. Presidents don't have King like powers, you know this.

No President do not have King powers, but they do by legal Precedent and the Constitution have unlimited power to Declassify anything they wish, but you already know this.


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The Great Hoax continues.


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It was Squeegee insert of “ The King “ which is the Most Important part of His/ Her Intent..

It is also a Trademark Violation..


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The president can de-classify any damn thing he wants.

That's true, but there has to be documentation. Whether they were classified or not i irrelevant, they don't belong to him. He committed a crime by taking them; what is in the documents just means the difference between petty theft or treason. Or something in between.

And if he did de-classify anything it automatically falls under the Freedom of Information Act and they can be read by anybody. If you, me or the New York Times requests any de-classified documents they have to be provided and they can be published in the paper. If he really did de-classify certain top secret documents making them legally available to anyone that is treason.


Most people don't really want the truth.

They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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If Trump took Top Secret material to his house and was not authorized to do so, he deserves to be prosecuted for it. That is a serious no no in the world of classified documents.


Fuggin' idiot.

The president can de-classify any damn thing he wants.


Please tell us about your hero Comey going on national TV and saying that Hillary had not only MANY classified documents, but top secret documents that threaten national security?

And that bitch didn't have power to de-classify anything.


I was the security officer in our squardon during one of my assignments in the Air Force. And common sense and integrity tells you just dont walk out of a secure office and claim you declassified all the documents. This would mean our deepest secrets are free to be shared with anyone in the world with no regards to the damage done. I voted for Trump both times and hate Hillary and Comey. But the man [bleep] up big time by doing what he did. Most likely it will cost him his next Presidential run.
You dont just issue a blanket order saying any thing I take is automatically declassified.
...................Snowwolfe.........It does not matter whether you were a security officer or not. Nor does it matter what your opinions are on common sense.....What matters and what is relevant is what the US Constitution says and what the laws say that are on the books as passed on congress....PERIOD.....The POTUS has the express authority to either de-classify documents or keep them classified. Furthermore, it does not matter what their classification status is; top secret or otherwise.

The DOJ and the FBI CLEARLY VIOLATED the 4th amendment under the US Constitution by raiding Trump's home. Nothing more than a fishing expedition to tryt and MANUFACTURE crimes which is what the deep state and the demCRAPs have been doing for 6 years against Trump.........Its not what you think, its what the Constitution and the laws say.


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The president can de-classify any damn thing he wants.

That's true, but there has to be documentation. Whether they were classified or not i irrelevant, they don't belong to him. He committed a crime by taking them; what is in the documents just means the difference between petty theft or treason. Or something in between.

And if he did de-classify anything it automatically falls under the Freedom of Information Act and they can be read by anybody. If you, me or the New York Times requests any de-classified documents they have to be provided and they can be published in the paper. If he really did de-classify certain top secret documents making them legally available to anyone that is treason.
Don’t be dumb


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He'll be indicted for the documents case in DC or Florida. He'll be indicted in DC for the 1/6 case. He'll be indicted in Fulton County, Georgia for his role in that.

He'll be thrown under the bus by dozens of co-defendants in each case. Since Trump can't promise pardons any more he is a sitting duck for co-defendants looking to save themselves.

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He'll be indicted for the documents case in DC or Florida. He'll be indicted in DC for the 1/6 case. He'll be indicted in Fulton County, Georgia for his role in that.

He'll be thrown under the bus by dozens of co-defendants in each case. Since Trump can't promise pardons any more he is a sitting duck for co-defendants looking to save themselves.

There is no proof of any of this. There is proof of the crimes committed by previous administrations. That is what they want to keep from becoming public. That is probably what Trump declassified. They have to destroy him before he destroys them.

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There isn’t anyone taking the other side of the 4th Amendment assertion..

The Great Howl from Congress ..Zzzzzz..
Not even a :

“ You ain’t Seen Nothing Yet “

They Don’t Care About Your Piece of Paper ..

Your just Static to Them that can be turned OFF ..


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Originally Posted by WarAdmiral
He'll be indicted for the documents case in DC or Florida. He'll be indicted in DC for the 1/6 case. He'll be indicted in Fulton County, Georgia for his role in that.

He'll be thrown under the bus by dozens of co-defendants in each case. Since Trump can't promise pardons any more he is a sitting duck for co-defendants looking to save themselves.
LOL! Did the democratunderground forum commission a new group of [bleep] to go forth and stir up chit among real Americans? Show us a picture of you with a gun you own. Show us some game you’ve killed. A fish you’ve caught. Or else, go back amongst the [bleep] and degenerates you associate with.

War Admiral my ass!!!

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I'm wondering when Zero or the Bidet are going to submit any of their records to the National Archives.

Zero has his hidden and the Bidets are locked up in the Univ of Delaware.


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Originally Posted by JMR40
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The president can de-classify any damn thing he wants.

That's true, but there has to be documentation. Whether they were classified or not i irrelevant, they don't belong to him. He committed a crime by taking them; what is in the documents just means the difference between petty theft or treason. Or something in between.

And if he did de-classify anything it automatically falls under the Freedom of Information Act and they can be read by anybody. If you, me or the New York Times requests any de-classified documents they have to be provided and they can be published in the paper. If he really did de-classify certain top secret documents making them legally available to anyone that is treason.

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Sandy Berger had no Declass authority and stole and destroyed classified documents from the National Archive and later served as a security advisor under Kilery.

http://www.parentadvocates.org/nicecontent/dsp_printable.cfm?articleID=5772


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Correction, Illegally on a private unsecured server the CCP had access to. She held no Declassification power. Then she broke the law and lied to Congress about it. Uh, but she didn't do it deliberately. Nor did she have her electronic devices destroyed deliberately. She to the FB Y to destroy them accidently. shocked

Hummm. I wonder where all this is leading. grin

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Originally Posted by PJGunner
This brings out the question and an accusation; when did the Democrat Party morph into the "Democratic" Party AKA the Communist party? Any takers?
Paul B.

Yes. Most notably, during FDR's Presidency, though they've been here since, or shortly after, Marx devised the Communist Manifesto and the disenfranchised saw it as a way to get something for nothing.

Since that time and since Joe McCarthy was ignored, Socialism/Marxism/Communism has slowly metastasized throughout America.

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I doubt Trump will be indicted.

They have nothing to put up, and won’t shut up. They’d rather make outlandish accusations then attempt to prove anything of substance.


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