Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Hodgdon is discontinuing the IMR Enduron line of powders ?

When you buy toilet paper, do you purchase one or two rolls at a time?

I feel the same way about purchasing what is needed as Pappy.
I just wish I would have had a crystal ball on the 4451, I’ve just been doing a lot of testing, using up my supply. Getting great results and now I’m down to less than 2 lb of the stuff. Having found the ‘best’ load for your pet rifle(s) and then finding out the supply is shut off, sucks.
I think I’ll be looking at powders that are not controlled by Hodgdon.

They don't own Alliant, Lovex, Nobel, or Vihtavuori... yet. I bet Alliant will be next, since they're US based.

From Hodgdon's website:

That appears to settle that, I suppose. Business decision then, by Hodgdon.

Thanks.

Well crud!

My son and I both have 7mm Remington Magnum rifles - and they both shoot real well with IMR 8133. Great velocity and accuracy... Sigh... We've got plenty of loaded ammo and I have one, only one, more pound of 8133 on hand. Phooey.

Hadn't really messed with the other Enduron powders much, but was looking forward to doing so.

Guy

How’d it go in Africa? Are you doing a write up here or on Gavin’s site (or maybe both)?

Lol - yeah, and in no way do I consider buying a 1000 primers at a time "Hoarding."

Just another example of something not being made where it's used. We're all at the mercy of other countries, or companies in other countries.

Profits, loyalty. or internal problems of their own will dictate who gets the product or if anybody does. Practically all if not all powder we use being made out of our country isn't a good thing.

Truck chips ring a bell? Wondering what's the next thing that'll bite us.

Fortunately I have a lifetime supply of the IMR powders I use but I still buy them when I find them at reasonable prices. $600 for an 8 pounder is not reasonable . They dropped 4320 without any warning that I'm aware of so I expect no better when they drop anything else. I have several 8 pounders of 4320 but would have bought another case had I known it was being dropped. If they drop 3031 I'll likely be off of their powder. Been using their stuff for more than 50 years so I will miss it .

I was completely bummed when they dropped 4320. I went out and bought about 5 pounds as soon as I found out. Could have used more, but didn't have the scratch at the time. I'm down to my last couple pounds now, and reserve it exclusively for the 303 Savage. I had also been using it in 300 Savage and 308 Win when it was still in production.

I did stock up on what should be a lifetime supply of 3031 and Accurate 4064 this spring, just in case they hit the chopping block. A4064 pretty much became my 4320 alternative.

Alliant is part of the Vista group, which owns Federal and Remington, IIRC.

A abhor "needing" anything.
Wife tells me we need ketchup, I buy 3 bottles.
Like to have the next whatever I need right at hand.


Bought primers by the hundred when I started reloading at 17.
1987, was making $3.50/ hr and 100 primers were a bit over a buck.
Soon realized every loading session was a 25 mile round trip
for primers. Have bought 1000 ever since. The open box, and the
next one.

I too have enough IMR4320. My 350 loved the powder. I don’t develop loads using that powder any more though.

Two is one and one is none!

And it's only one stick of gum at the checkout.

Both of you are correct of course. I worked at a Scheels during college ('95-2000) and 1-3 sleeves of 100 was a FAR more common sale than "bricks" of 1000. I don't know anyone who buys less than "bricks" anymore and I don't see less than bricks being purchased unless the store rules mandate folks less than brick quantities. Same goes for 1# vs. 5#/8# kegs of powder. We sold VERY few kegs of powder, the vast majority of folks bought 1#-2# at a time. Again, now I know very few folks who don't buy 8# minimum at a time.

Sandy Hook, Vegas, and Covid shortages have lots of folks just plain sick and tired of being "out" or "short-handed" regarding ammo. Even folks who don't shoot much or often are now buying the tools and components to be able to load their own. I also know several who'd quit loading and moved to all factory ammo who've dragged their tools out of storage, set them back up, and started to buy components and load their own again.

never tried them, so I'm not missing anything...

but they want my attention.. bring back SR 4759 and IMR 4320.

Things like this make me not quite as bummed out as it would have ten years ago. I started reloading at 12, 63 years ago. It was fun, just as driving was once fun. Now both are done out of necessity, only.

That being said, I feel bad for everyone who shoots and loads a lot. Where 2-4 pounds of 5-6 favorite old school powders are my lifetime supply, losing pet powders and loads for the frequent shooter has to be frustrating. It takes work, money, and time to work up best loads, and to have a somewhat monopolistic company pull the plug is infuriating.

Getting supplies of 30-31, 4895, 4831, and 4350 might be prudent, plus some for little calibers and biggest boomers. A good selection of Alliant powders would be something to consider.

Anyone know where to get RE15?