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I have an 8" flinch at 20 yards.
Also, this sight sucks.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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I’d have paid good money to see Steve receive that period of instruction.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I have an 8" flinch at 20 yards.
Also, this sight sucks.
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
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I keep scanning the classifieds for these gently used, basically new, horrible, unusable RMR sights that some people bought, but are so distraught with that they cannot abide with owning them one minute longer!!!! Classifieds don’t seem to be inundated with such junk. To ease the pain, I’ll make an offer…if anyone has a quality RMR type sight in barely used, like new in box condition, I’d be inclined to help them end their awful, incessant suffering, and give them half of what they paid for the torture of owning said optic. Win-win for both parties. I will be patiently waiting and watching.
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I have 3 of these damn things and well my big objection is finding quality holsters that are designed to cover the things when holstered.....
Please don't feed the trolls!
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Uncovered works for me.😎
Livin ain’t killed me yet, but it’s workin on it!
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The big bulbous thing sticking up over the top of a defensive handgun sure looks like one more thing to get snagged on clothing during a draw from an concealed carry holster. With my Austrian friend, I was interested in how a person totally unfamiliar with a red dot sight would react to shooting with one for the first time. His inclination was to put the front sight in the RMR window which of course would result in a very high shot. Telling him to hold it lower just resulted in him lowering his arm instead of canting his wrist forward lowering the front of the pistol. I'm sure my wife would likely do the same thing if she ever wanted to shoot that .45, which she doesn't.
Doc_Holidude and I might need to negotiate a little. There was a set of Tritium night sights on that .45 for a long time, but they went out eventually. An adjustable set of those Dawson fiber optics could be in it's future.
My other auto is a .45
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I'm not gonna lie, I've been carrying the 19 MOS with the HS 507C but I pulled my regular iron sighted 19 out of the safe last night and thought how "clean" it was without the optic and how it just points where I look. Then I remembered the last match I shot with an iron sighted 1911 and I kept telling myself how easy these targets would be if I had a red dot on it.
The good is beginning to outweigh the bad for me.
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The big bulbous thing sticking up over the top of a defensive handgun sure looks like one more thing to get snagged on clothing during a draw from an concealed carry holster. With my Austrian friend, I was interested in how a person totally unfamiliar with a red dot sight would react to shooting with one for the first time. His inclination was to put the front sight in the RMR window which of course would result in a very high shot. Telling him to hold it lower just resulted in him lowering his arm instead of canting his wrist forward lowering the front of the pistol. I'm sure my wife would likely do the same thing if she ever wanted to shoot that .45, which she doesn't. I don't understand how he could fail with such perfect instruction.
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Just had my first range session ever with a 6 MOA green dot on my 365xlsc. 75 rounds of FMJ.
The third 25 rounds (two mags +1) showed a definite improvement with speed and accuracy.
Practice at home on presentation is key, and it sure has illustrated some bad habits I'd picked up over the years shooting only irons on handguns.
One session and I'm becoming a believer. A good training class with an instructor who preaches red (or green) dots on pistols is in my near future.
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I don't want a big clunky thing on top of my handgun. It also makes it more difficult to get a decent holster without breaking the bank.
The more I get to know people, the better I like dogs, life is short, eat dessert first.
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I don't want a big clunky thing on top of my handgun. It also makes it more difficult to get a decent holster without breaking the bank. It's nice that we have choices - with my aging eyes, optics are a huge benefit. I haven't found them to be big/clunky and can't tell any significant difference carrying with or without an optic. I also haven't had any trouble finding decent holsters and options seem to be growing with the increasing use/acceptance of optics. I have this Mitch Rosen from the Sig Store for my P365XL and it's on my hip at work right now: 1791 Gunleather has several options with optic cuts and I have one for my P320 X-Carry: https://1791gunleather.com/product-category/sig-sauer/sig-sauer-p320-x-carryVedder has optic cut options for a lot of their Kydex holsters and I have several in IWB and OWB.
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I don't want a big clunky thing on top of my handgun. It also makes it more difficult to get a decent holster without breaking the bank. Are you thinking about a tube type red dot or an open/exposed reflex type sight? Exposed reflex style sights are pretty small when compared to an older tube style red dot.
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I think they mean “I can’t find a $10 Uncle Mike’s that fits an optic I don’t have.
It’s an imaginary excuse.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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Two minutes with a Dremel and you can convert 95% of the Kydex holsters out there to fit an optic.
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Waders: I have several "red dot" sights on several of my heavy barrel 22 L.R. small game and Varminting pistols. I love them and shoot quite well with them. No "objections" from this quarter. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
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They work great for me.
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Personally?
They cost money. When I've tried them, they were awkward.
I'm cheap and too lazy/cheap to learn to use them. Well, there's an honest answer. I suspect that's satire. No! It is 100% honest. Somewhere I'll find an open style one cheap. And mount it on a MKII. Too many people who aren't chasing status or the next new thing have settled onto them and endorse them. Well remember learning to use a rifle scope, later one on a SBH. Sucked. Was much more confident with opens despite crappy vision. Over time, learned scopes. (Never liked the pistol scope) See dots as the same process.
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Personally?
They cost money. When I've tried them, they were awkward.
I'm cheap and too lazy/cheap to learn to use them. Well, there's an honest answer. I suspect that's satire. No! It is 100% honest. Somewhere I'll find an open style one cheap. And mount it on a MKII. Too many people who aren't chasing status or the next new thing have settled onto them and endorse them. Well remember learning to use a rifle scope, later one on a SBH. Sucked. Was much more confident with opens despite crappy vision. Over time, learned scopes. (Never liked the pistol scope) See dots as the same process. I really dislike traditional pistol scopes. RDS love em' now that i have spent time with them
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Personally?
They cost money. When I've tried them, they were awkward.
I'm cheap and too lazy/cheap to learn to use them. Well, there's an honest answer. I suspect that's satire. No! It is 100% honest. Somewhere I'll find an open style one cheap. And mount it on a MKII. Too many people who aren't chasing status or the next new thing have settled onto them and endorse them. Well remember learning to use a rifle scope, later one on a SBH. Sucked. Was much more confident with opens despite crappy vision. Over time, learned scopes. (Never liked the pistol scope) See dots as the same process. A rifle scope on a Super Blackhawk and it sucked?? I wonder why.
The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!
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