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High temps, 40mph winds, and low humidity this weekend. Power company is sending out warnings of power outages. Might shut things down to prevent downed lines causing wild fires.


Hope things don't get as sporty as a couple years ago.


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That seems a little drastic.


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Originally Posted by 160user
That seems a little drastic.
Umm, maybe not, imagine almost 1,000,000 acres of good timberland the year before, the Dixie Fire...cause...power lines sagging in the heat and then swaying together in the wind. The Camp Fire, 84 people killed, cause...electric power lines. On and on, examples abound. Learn from our mistakes or burn it all down?


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Originally Posted by flintlocke
Originally Posted by 160user
That seems a little drastic.
Umm, maybe not, imagine almost 1,000,000 acres of good timberland the year before, the Dixie Fire...cause...power lines sagging in the heat and then swaying together in the wind. The Camp Fire, 84 people killed, cause...electric power lines. On and on, examples abound. Learn from our mistakes or burn it all down?

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WTF are power lines even above ground in rural areas? Somebodies excavator in the shop?


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Originally Posted by Fireball2
WTF are power lines even above ground in rural areas? Somebodies excavator in the shop?


You paying to bury them?


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Originally Posted by 160user
That seems a little drastic.


Many of the fires that swept through Oregon a couple years ago were caused by downed lines.

We had lines down and arcing up wind of us then. Thank goodness that they didn't start anything. Had a fire down wind of us an couple miles away that made us have our bags packed for a week, but that was due to a moron having a campfire that got out of control.


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Not a big fire risk area here, but out in the sticks about 40 miles from the nearest city, and all our power lines are above ground. Ice or wind plays hell with them once in a blue moon, usually ice

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Originally Posted by Fireball2
WTF are power lines even above ground in rural areas? Somebodies excavator in the shop?
When you get up in the area of 345Kva and above (which the big lines are mainly the ones causing the fires) direct burial becomes very difficult. The insulation and burial cause heat buildup with common meltdowns and failures, overhead dissipates heat rapidly. The big lines 1,200Kva coming from dams and power plants cannot be buried ...yet. 33 and 65 Kva lines going in front of your house are not the big problem causers and they can be buried easily...just remember to call before you dig...33Kva will pretty well toast your backhoe, ask me how I know.


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Originally Posted by flintlocke
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WTF are power lines even above ground in rural areas? Somebodies excavator in the shop?
When you get up in the area of 345Kva and above (which the big lines are mainly the ones causing the fires) direct burial becomes very difficult. The insulation and burial cause heat buildup with common meltdowns and failures, overhead dissipates heat rapidly. The big lines 1,200Kva coming from dams and power plants cannot be buried ...yet. 33 and 65 Kva lines going in front of your house are not the big problem causers and they can be buried easily...just remember to call before you dig...33Kva will pretty well toast your backhoe, ask me how I know.

The 33 and 65 kva lines are easily buried, but maintenance on them is a beech!

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More:

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/202...y-concerned-about-the-next-72-hours.html

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Oregon fire officials warn ‘we’re really concerned about the next 72 hours’
Updated: Sep. 08, 2022, 6:56 p.m.|Published: Sep. 08, 2022, 5:46 p.m.
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Already burning wildfires could worsen, or new blazes could spark in the next three days in Oregon as high winds and rising temperatures increase fire risk, Oregon officials said Thursday in a press conference with Gov. Kate Brown.

“We’re really concerned about the next 72 hours,” said Travis Medema, chief deputy state fire marshal.

Brown and emergency officials warned Oregonians to prepare to evacuate or to lose power as more than 168,000 acres are already burning in the state, and emergency power shutoffs are expected to hit more than 40,000 households starting Friday. The shutoffs would help prevent wildfires caused by damaged power lines.

The National Weather Service for Portland has issued a red flag warning between Thursday at midnight and 11 p.m. Saturday owing to hot temperatures, high winds and low humidity. Winds are expected to reach up to 45 miles per hour Friday morning in some areas, with temperatures above 90 degrees.

“Go to bed tonight with a plan in the event your family needs to evacuate or you wake up without power,” Brown said. “If you’re asked to evacuate, do so immediately.”

Those most at risk of power outages or fire evacuations should charge their devices and prepare to-go bags and supplies, said Andrew Phelps, director of the Oregon Department of Emergency Management.

“The time to prepare is over,” Phelps said. “Now is the time to act.”

While not everyone is in immediate wildfire danger, high winds could blow smoke over the state and could affect those with underlying health conditions. If the air quality worsens, people should stay indoors as much as possible, Phelps said.

Seven wildfires are burning in the state, including the recent Van Meter fire in Klamath Falls near Stukel Mountain, which has burned up to 3,500 acres since Wednesday.

Northeast Oregon is at a heightened risk, with several areas battling wildfires. The Double Creek Fire now spans over 100,000 acres and poses a risk to the Imnaha and Snake River drainages, according to Forestry Fire Chief Mike Shaw. The Sturgill fire, also in Northeast Oregon, has reached over 17,000 acres. Over 100 homes are in some level of evacuation across both fires, according to Deputy State Fire Marshal Travis Shaw.

Brown has invoked the Emergency Conflagration Act for both the Double Creek and Sturgill fires, which authorizes the state fire marshal to mobilize firefighters and equipment to help local fire departments.

Officials are closely monitoring the Cedar Creek fire in the Willamette National Forest near Oakridge, Shaw said. Firefighters have had some success with the Rum Creek fire in Southern Oregon, and the state has been able to move some of those firefighters to other wildfires, Shaw said.

The Oregon Department of Forestry has put restrictions on state-protected lands in northwest Oregon due to the fire danger. Restrictions start Friday and will close off-highway vehicle trails, ban campfires and close some forest roads.

A mandatory burn ban was issued in Multnomah County Thursday. This includes recreational campfires, fire pits, yard debris, agricultural burning and permits issued for open burning. The county warns people to use caution when cooking outside.

Power outages and high temperatures may make staying indoors difficult. To prepare for this, Brown has requested generator-powered cooling shelters be open where available, she said.

Multnomah County is opening two resource centers with charging stations, ice, water and information at the Corbett Fire Station and the Tualatin Valley Fire and Rescue Station 72. They will be open from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. Friday, Saturday and Sunday if power is not restored.

Wind hasn't started yet, but I have the generator ready to go.

Very reminiscent of the situation a couple of Summers ago.

Wife is at the coast at an art retreat and is supposed to come home this evening. Hoping the Van Duzer Corridor doesn't get shut down.


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Everyone should have at least one these ready to go....or bigger

https://wenproducts.com/collections...le-inverter-generator-with-fuel-shut-off


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More fires are caused by catalytic converters than powerlines...but when's the last time someone sued a catalytic converter manufacturer into bankruptcy?

Proper forest management and IA would help too.



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I question why we haven’t begun to put the majority of our electrical utilities underground. I’m sure that the initial cost would be great……but the long term benefits should quickly justify! memtb


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Originally Posted by Steve
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WTF are power lines even above ground in rural areas? Somebodies excavator in the shop?


You paying to bury them?

Figure the cost of avoided fires and destroyed and lost lives might be a start.

Of course, the fire fighting agencies get paid real well to fight fires so don't expect anything logical to happen. I.E. local fire was being well fought by Oregon Dept of Forestry until a tree fell on and killed a firefighter. Then the feds took over, pulled everyone back and said "It's too dangerous for you guys so we're going to let it burn. "

They do that because whatever they pay to fght fires this year affects the fire budget next year. In other words, f they extinguish that fire too soon, it hurts them next year. In my economy, firefighters would be rewarded for stomping fires quickly. They could earn bonuses for good work and saving homes, lives, and land.

So the whole fire deal is just another business that people have fucqued up in the name of greed.


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Read flintlocke and Old Onary’s post peckerhead . Kenneth

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Came home early from work and the power is still on here at the house. Not sure if that's good or bad.

Water co-op said they were going to get shut down and it might take a couple days to restore water to the tanks. Made sure our emergency water is topped off.
No water and extreme fire danger. No sense.

Was windier on the valley floor than at our elevation.


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