Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Anyone see any of those dreaded WMDs running around????

Because they damn sure don't appear to be in Iraq, and there is no doubt that Bush and Blair lied about the intelligence that was the basis for the "severe and imminent threat" that was the reason we had to "act now" to prevent loss of American lives. Well, we acted, there ain't and wasn't any "imminent" threat and Americans are still dying in a country that did and will continue to hate us as infidels. Frigging politicians.

IIFID
Understand your point, but the cynic in me says they have enough evidence to prove their point but are holding it for a better time. Perhaps they wait for a bit more vinegar from the opposition before playing their hole card???
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I won't even go there any more. We been [bleep] again by our politicians, 'NUFF SAID!

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The cynic which hides deep in my soul, or whatever you want to call the subconscious,and only surfaces on rare occasions like days that end in "y", says that if they find some WMD now, I'll wonder who put them there?

I'm not at all surprised that we haven't found anything yet, considering we gave them a date and time when we were going to be smoking their ass.
Seems logical enough that they had more than ample time to hide their equipment. They've even found guys that said that they helped bury the damn things.
Eventually I think they'll uncover some hard evidence, if they haven't already.

My opinion was that he needed to be stomped anyway. This was as good as an excuse as any.

King George does what he wants when he wants. The neocons are not going to be stopped by a silly thing called the truth. It is too easy to manipulate the ignorant masses by spreading around the lies and calling anyone who disagrees with it unpatriotic. Happened enough on this very board. I guess we didn't learn our lesson from tail gunner Joe in the 50's and we have to go through it again. Too bad some people have to die to fulfill some arrogant politician's dream of world dominance.

IIFID
Good counter-point and I guess that is to be expected... The fact they are letting the Dems baste them for awhile without a hint of concern leads me to believe they have either found or planted plenty already, just on hold.
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It has to make one wonder why Hussein would risk his life and lifestyle to push this to the brink of war and then not at least at the last minute invite us to freely inspect every inch of his country UNLESS he had something to hide.

Regardless, if you have a crazy dictator with the mindset of Hitler and Stalin who had the funds to cause mischief, you deal with him. We do not deal with Russia, China, and N Korea the same way because the consequences would be too grim.

We will never know if it was right not to do anything about him because by doing this now we may have averted something horrible in the future as a result of his actions. It was one of those damned if you do and damned if you don't situations. I feel better that he is defanged.

I expect a witch hunt and there may have been some fudging on what we were told. It was going to happen regardless-the invasion.

How do I feel about the soldiers who died? Well, you have Kurds and Shiites who for now are not tortured and murdered and maybe many will come out of this much better. Israel is definitely safer right now. Then again, with the Arab and Muslim mindset, who knows about the future of Iraq. We are buying time for the future.

I do not think the situation bears any resemblance whatsoever to Vietnam other than some manipulation. Vietnam was never a threat to us or neighbors or regional or world stability.

It is not a pro Bush issue or otherwise to me. It is one less dangerous, maniacal, madman with billions of dollars that hates us and Israel to deal with.

Israel is a friend of the US and needs to be treated as one but they also need to contribute to peace in the region by treating the Palistinians as the Isralies would like to be treated. Israel is gradually falling out of my favor. They seem to want their people to have everything and the Palistinians nothing. That is pretty one-sided for peace in the region.

Just because the media is unaware of any WMD's, doesn't mean we haven't found any. There is enough evidence to prove they are hiding stuff. That is a big country with a lot of dirt to bury stuff in. Every day our soldiers find more burried weapons. We haven't even scratched the surface, nor will we ever. I wouldn't doubt if the WMD were shipped over to Pallistine or some other bourdering country.

These people have been killing each other for hundreds of years. Nothing we do will ever stop that. All we are is a temporary band-aide. I am glad we went after Sadam and Asama. That needed to happen. Flinch

I agree with boss....please remember that everyone on the intelligence committee (Dems and Reps alike) all saw the same information that the President did and came to the same conclusions. There is a difference between lying and making a mistake based on bad information, if it was bad information.

I'm just proud that we have someone running things that is willing to try. He is taking the fight to them rather than letting them kill our folks (Cole and WTC #1) and vow to do something and then do nothing. And yes, I do have something to lose. My oldest son is an Airborne Ranger and although he is currently not in a combat situation, it can happen and happen fast.

Elwood

After watching the segment on Saddam and his two sons on the History channel last Sunday night I think we did the right thing.



As far as I'm concerned the 3 of them are/were WMD what with the body count they are credited for.



Killing atheletes because they loose a soccer game? Torture, rape, and killing kids infront of their parent to get false confessions out of them? Point blank killing people at receptions because you are paranoid? Killing 2,000 prisoners in one day because Usay had more to imprison and the prisons were full?



Yeah, these guys were WMD all by themselves.



If you missed the show on the History channel, try to catch it when they show it again, your attitude might be changed.



If your argument is they were just killing each other and not a threat to US, then explain why the world was so incensed at the mass killings in Cambodia or Croatia.



That Baath party and the Saddam regime had to be stopped given what we now know. Besides, I do not expect our gov't to make decisions about national security based on input from public sentiment or from a popularity poll. If that is the case, nothing will ever get done.

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Somebody payed good money for that one.

And you can get clothes, stuffed toys, and mugs too!

As one of the other posters stated, both Republicans AND Democrats saw the same info and drew the same conclusion. The difference is the Dems want the Whitehouse back. I'm not saying that the Rep. are always right either; but when given a choice I will always (as far as I can see for now) vote against a liberal Dem. IMHO I think a lot of the WMD's are in either Syria or Iran and the allies know it. Saddam had to go and the sooner the better. He flipped the bird at us and the world too long while butchering the innocent. I personally hope that he is tortured to death even though that would never happen. My take on the Palestinians is that MANY of them aren't even Palestinians but immigrant terrorists from other countries. If the Arab world is so concerned about a homeland for them, why don't they fork over the land? And why does the PLO refuse to remove the section from their"constitution" calling for the destruction of Israel; if they really want peace. They don't! They want the Jews dead and they want ALL their land. They and most of the others in the Mid-east are expert liars and will stoop to anything to get their way. IMHO

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria
To God Alone Be The Glory!

Something new to wonder about --

Watching those universally goofy weather reporters on TV, I've long wondered:
� Do you have to be goofy to be a weather reporter?
or
� Does being a weather reporter on TV make you goofy?

Watching those brainless lumps portrayed as product customers in TV commercials, I've long wondered:
� Do you have to be a brainless lump to use those products?
or
� Does using those products reduce you to a brainless lump?

Now -- hearing all these accusations that Bush lied, coupled with expressions of hatred for Bush, I've been wondering:
� Do you hate him because you think he lied?
or
� Do you think he lied because you hate him?

Hmmmm! There's a possible clue to the truth underlying the last pair of questions in the answer to this question:
� Do you honestly believe that the one document that you think Bush lied about was the only indication that So Damn Insane had (and would probably use) weapons of mass destruction?

Hmmm, hearing all these defenders of Bush and the invasion of Iraq for nonexistent WMD raise a couple of questions I've been wondering about:

1) Do his hard core supporters believe him inspite of the fact that he lied?

or

2) Do they lie to themselves because they want to believe him?

Watching the current step and fetch it show by Rumsfeld in front of Congress is interesting to say the least. "The coalition did not act in Iraq because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq's pursuit of weapons of mass murder," Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "We acted because we saw the existing evidence in a new light through the prism of our experience on Sept. 11."

Really, not what I seem to recall hearing at the time, when they were rallying the US citizenry for support of the invasion.

I've always had somewhat mixed feelings about our latest involvement in Iraq. I never felt that our sole justification for invasion should be WMD, but instead it's because we diddled the dog the first time by not removing Saddam in '91. 12 more years of that man and his sons because George senior didn't want to offend the other members of the UN coalition.



I'm afraid that the political fallout from not finding WMD may hurt GW's chances in 2004. And while I'm not a big fan of GW, he's better than a Dem. By a little, at least.



What I hope for most of all is a quick handover of power to a democratic Iraqi government that actually manages to stay in power without a major US presence. I also hope to win the lottery, and figure the odds of either happening are not that dis-similar.



Regards,

Scott

I had a couple inside sources that said that we didn't pop Sadaam the first time because they were afraid of who might take his place. Evidently, there were a few fellows that made Saddam look like a pussycat FWIW.

I don't necessarily agree with everything that W has done so far, but overall I think he's done very well considering the circumstances.

Besides, the worst day of office with a Republican in the Whitehouse, is better than the best day with a liberal puke Democrap.