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The mess in Ukraine is just getting started. Western Europe has already taken a major hit from it with no end it sight.

If the Bolsheviks stay in office in America, you can bet your ass that America is going to take a major hit from it, also.

Again,...there's no upside to it for the American people regardless of how it ends up. But there's a very serious downside to it,..and it's starting to look like America is going to experience the downside.

The only question is, how bad the downside will be.

Got my contract renegotiated to a box of velocitors per week.

Bin was pretty stingy at 1st sending me Remington thunderturds..

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The reason I asked that question was because I’d thanked another member here for an informative podcast that took a deep dive into the situation between Ukraine & Russia since the end of the Cold War when this thing first got going and Burns mocked me for ‘just believing some guy with a podcast’ or something like that.

So I asked him the same question knowing he was incapable of answering.

The consistent response from the Pro Uke side has been name calling peppered with references to the very same MSM that fed us COVID propaganda, called ANTIFA/BLM riots “peaceful protests”, told us that the ‘20 election was the most reliable in history, and aired the J6 mini-series as if it was the most judicious and fair hearing ever.

Then when presented with the fact that “Russia horribly & irredeemably evil/Ukraine as pure as the driven snow and must be supported at all cost” might not be the factually correct way to view this thing we get “Putinistas” or “Putin Puffers” or whatever.

I for one am convinced of two things which I would think those of us not making money on this grift should be able to agree on:

1) the people of Ukraine are being shafted hard

2) the American govt is using this as an opportunity to shaft its own people under the auspices of defending the people of Ukraine

The single tooth inbreds are wailing tonight!

Laughing!!

Watch out. Emojis man will be along shortly if not already.

Give the Winchester hyper velocity .22 ammo a try if you can find it. It actually produces the listed velocity of 1400+ with 40 grain bullets. (in rifles)

Everything else in the hyper velocity .22 category shoots about 100 fps less than advertised,...and the Winchester stuff is very accurate in my rifle.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900490815

Burns,

You sell ukrane any of your $10k senderos yet ?

Or did zelinsky also figure out your scam ?

Please Bristoe..
Don't bring a corrupt little money laundering govt for globalist, and crooked politicians worldwide in their little house of cards CYA war.
Espeically when the stock portfolios in wpns,ag goods, and energy sectors are blooming for the beautiful people.
And the rebuilding of the place afterwards.

Cha ching......

And Xi told Vlad to hold off the invasion till after his Olympics.



Anything our Liberal Socialist Democrats are fully behind is never fuuuked the fuuk up.
Never.....
We all know that!!!!
Especially the Uketards on here know anything the Liberal Socialist Democrats are fully behind is always on the up and up of course...

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Russian tv and propagandists retreat into anger mode explaining, “we cannot possibly win this “war” with Ukraine under the present conditions.”

Several have been jailed for speaking out against the invasion and its costs in men and resources. Sanctions are causing major internal problems with all manufacturing at a near standstill and inflation running in double digits.

WAPO

I can see how you relate to “retreat into anger mode” you Obammy loving Covtard.

I know you’re a Peeker.

For the record Tootster, how do you feel about the billions and billions US tax money going to Kiev? Are you supportive?

or not.


https://sonar21.com/understanding-planning-orders-and-troop-movements-in-ukraine/

Understanding Planning, Orders and Troop Movements in Ukraine

10 September 2022 by Larry Johnson 186 Comments

PATTON, the movie, was a masterpiece of entertainment. It is not historically accurate on many points and that is a problem with respect to Ukraine. What? I suspect some of you believe I have really crossed over to crazy land, but hear me out. Remember that scene when the Germans launched the Battle of the Bulge in December 1944 and Patton saved the day by “immediately” diverting his Army 90 degrees to head north and rescue the beleaguered paratroopers of the 101st and 82nd airborne regiments (note, the paratroopers insisted they did not need to be rescued, but that’s another story for another day)?

That cinema account of how Patton planned and shifted the axis of attack of his troops is presented as something hastily put together. The German offensive started on 16 December and Patton met with Eisenhower on the 19th of December and received orders to relieve Bastogne. Patton’s troops moved out on the 22nd of December and reached Bastogne on the 26th. What the movie account fails to convey is that the planning for moving his Army north began on December 9, ten days before the emergency conference with Eisenhower.

Patton’s J-2 (i.e., his intel chief) briefed the following on 9 December:

By the end of October four panzer divisions had been identified refitting near Paderborn, far north of the Third Army’s left boundary.
By November 10 the Germans had pulled five more panzer divisions out of the line.
Of the fifteen panzer divisions in the west, only five remained in contact in mid-November.
Starting November 17, aerial reconnaissance detected huge German rail movements to the north of the Third Army’s projected zone of advance—226 trains on November 18 alone.
By November 23 Koch had identified the newly established Sixth Panzer Army, including five of its reconstituted panzer divisions.
On December 2 the U.S. Seventh Army, to the south of Third Army, reported that the formidable Panzer Lehr Division was out of the line.
By December 7 the Germans were holding at least thirteen divisions in reserve.
(I encourage you to read the whole article about the real story of Patton’s rescue effort at the link above.)

So why is this important? The process any first world army (e.g., United States, Russia, Ukraine) follows in moving troops and equipment from one point to a distant location follows a well-defined planning process.


The planning process Patton followed is similar to what the U.S. military uses today. The current system is known as the Joint Operation Planning and Execution System aka JOPES. I have been involved in scripting and executing over 240 crisis response exercises. I worked for 23 years for the man who wrote JOPES, so I have some insight to the process. He beat it into me. It starts with an Alert Order (e.g. Be Prepared to Act) usually followed Warning Order (e.g., Houston we have a specific problem, tell us how you plan to solve it). The military command that receives the warning order immediately tasks it staff to prepare Courses of Action aka COAs.

Those COAs are then sent back via a written message laying out what forces would be used, what resources (i.e., air support, artillery, vehicles, medical, etc.) are required to carry out the COA. The COA for organizing and deploying a Special Operations unit is much easier and less time consuming than that required to organize and deploy battalions and regiments of soldiers.

Once the COA is approved the relevant military units receive a Deployment Order. It means what it says. The military units identified for action start moving via train, truck or plane. Depends on the operation. But they are moving into place and do not initiate action until they commanders receive an Execution Order.

Since the United States and NATO are involved directly with Ukraine’s military planning, I am certain they followed the JOPES process. That means the planning for the Kharkov offensive probably started the first of September, perhaps even earlier, i.e. July or August. Assembling and moving the men and equipment to deployment points took some time. It was not done overnight.

I am not familiar with the Russian planning system, but I am pretty sure the Russians follow a similar procedure to JOPES. It is important to understand this with reference to the offensive taking place around Kharkov. The Russian forces started moving into the area on Thursday, 8 September. And we are talking about hundreds of trucks, tanks, towed artillery and troops.

So, was Russia caught by surprise? No. They had at least one week’s warning of the impending Ukrainian attack. If you want to believe that Russia’s intelligence service is incompetent or was deceived in this operation, enjoy the fantasy. The Russian planners had a couple of choices. They could have moved their forces into position earlier but that would have tipped off the Ukrainians and west that the planned offensive was compromised.

Alternatively, the Russian planners may have decided to mask their movements and made choices about which villages and cities to defend and which to abandon. If Russia had moved preemptively to reinforce Izyum that would have raised warning flags for the Ukrainian and NATO planners.

I agree with Andrei Martyanov’s take–the Russians knew it was coming and chose to let the Ukrainians flood the zone in order to eventually hit the Ukrainian forces with a massive counter attack. The Ukrainians are no longer in fortified defensive positions and their lines of communication to support the forward troops are now defined precisely. The Ukrainian attack has not destroyed nor disrupted Russia’s air, artillery, rocket and missile assets. Attacking the Ukrainian units is an easier task, not more difficult.

I am not privy to the Russian plan. But what I do know is that the planning process required to deploy the troops and equipment moving into Kharkov was not a panicked response. Hollywood can create the illusion of rapid movement of military troops, but the real world requires alerting units, making sure they are properly supplied and then undertaking the logistic task of moving those units into combat. This means the planning was deliberate, not a crisis response.

Russian troops now pouring over the border in a rout and back into Russia seeking safety from Ukraine forces.

ABC News

Your ass leaking into your Depends, happening now

-buns

Velocitors crank out like 1435 man
Have one of the longest bearing surfaces to the rifling on the market.
Very accurate in a Savage MK II bull barrel.

Velocitors 1435
Small Game Bullet 1235
Blazer 1235
40 gr mini mag 1235

All accurate
The last 3 all to same POA POI

Did alot of 50 yd 10 shot group shooting 5 6 yrs ago.
Digital scale weighing bullets.
Get about 30 to 35 out of 50.
51.7 to 51.9 hrs
That the sweet spot weight

Box of 50 goes from 51.2 to 52 .2 ish
Those are your wtf flyers.


Rim fire thickness gauge sucks.
Every quarter spin you get a different measurement
Variance,s between the wax thickness
Rim thickness variance
Ogive circular variance
Collet on the bullet wobble and pressure to put it on each time.
Base of the gauge the rim sits in play.

Alot of that pricey euro ammo is weight sorted .

Watched a obscure british .22 competion shooter vid long ago.
He was the one talking about weight sorting ammo.

Blazer of all things weight sorted is 3/8ths to 1/2 " 10 shot group at 50yds ammo.

And lot #,s come into play also.
Lot of these guys pass lot#,s on ammo to help each other out.
Bulk ammo alot of times that they weight sort.





We must not hijack this thread with talk of the lowly .22.
Too much comedy gold to work with on here for that.


Now back to Lord Calvert Canadian.

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Yeah,...and 80% of the worlds population is in the process of delinking from the American dollar,...even the Middle East.

*When* (not if) the OPEC nations throw the Petro dollar agreement in the trash can, you're going to be paying $20 (American) for a Big Mac.

That's what all of your "GO TEAM" bullshit is going to get you.

America seized $300 billion in American dollars from Russia during this latest Bolshevik fiasco.

You know what happens when America demonstrates that it can seize American dollars from foreign entities to enforce a foreign policy initiative?

I'll tell you. The world loses confidence in American dollars.

The only thing that makes American dollars valuable is the fact that they're considered a dependable store of wealth by the world. Once the American government demonstrates that the world can't depend on keeping them, the America dollar loses the world's confidence and consequently, it loses value.

,...and that's why 80% of the world is working to construct a medium of exchange that doesn't include the American dollar.

But fug all that,...."GO TEAM!!!"

Bro!

Doing you a solid. GFY

To ignore with you Putinista!

You shall not enjoy the empty praise of Toot or ANY of his sock puppets!

I’m sure you’ll be appropriately depressed by his rejection…

Facts have no place here only name calling against those who haven’t the sense to get on board with the latest thig.

Oh please you Liberal Socialist Democrat covtard homo racist.
You look at my post all the time with one of your other sockpuppets while you have me as well as others on pretend ignore under your Toot Toot puppet.

You ain't fooling anyone trying to spin schit.

You need to unazz this thread anyways.
We are giving Lord Calvert Canadian attention and not you.
This is Johnny Vicariously,s thread for the special attention he craves and not yours....

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