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I wish the RR, UPS, Fed Ex, USPS and the truckers would go on a 60 day strike all at one time. 3/4 of the idiots in this country would starve or get shot stealing somebody's sheit. The Great Reset !!! Maybe it would kick something off that needed to start 1/6...
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Pay, the average engineer makes less than $25 an hour, and permanently on a short on-call list.
Phil Which Class 1 is keeping engineers on at $25? A shortline engineer possibly? Not any Class 1 railroads. The least I've been paid is $2500 a half as an engineer Jun 23-July 18 of this year. I was working the Local and had the job annulled because of lack of manpower. Normally I make $4500 a half and put in 55 hours a week. That's $40 an hour and the lowest paying job as an engineer at my terminal. However, it had a set schedule and two days off a week. I enjoyed that for a little over a year, unti Hi-Viz screwd things up and people with more seniority wanted time off. Okay, I apparently need an update. What is "Hi-Viz"?
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Not unless labor just folds and completely gives into management. The union couldn't have picked a worse time to strike, period. Again the Federal Government will not allow a railroad strike to go on long if at all. It will have nothing to do with labor folding, and labor isn't folding that's why we're looking at a strike at 00:01 EST Friday. When would be a good time to strike in your opinion? We didn't pick this time to strike, it is just when it is happening. Contract negotiations after 2+ years failed. A PEB was held, we went back to the table and negotiations failed again. Would it be better to strike five years from now, when the next contract negotiations fail? I also don't know where you're getting your numbers. If you want to know exactly what we asked for at the PEB, what was offered by the railroads, and what the PEB recommend then click on the link. It's 125 pages and pretty dry. PEB 250 RecommendationsDo you remember the uproar when Reagan just replaced the ATC strikers that would not come to work? That move turned every union into a slush fund for the Demrats. Do you really think Biden is going to stand up against the unions? Oddly twice Biden has supported the Railroads already. Be interesting to see if Biden supports the workers or the sold out union heads and the Railroads. Biden doesn't have to do anything at this point. I imagine the railroads are judge shopping as we speak.
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Can't say for sure if this is a clear sign that customers feel that a lengthy RR strike is imminent but I live very near RR tracks and for the past couple of weeks I've been seeing train after train pulling much longer strings of cars than usual loaded with everything from coal to tank cars to double stacked shipping containers, many of the shipping containers with major trucking company names like, Schneider, Yellow Freight, J.B. Hunt, etc., and big box store Walmart, Amazon, etc., shipping containers.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/business/railroad-strike-averted-tentative-dealUnions and management reached a tentative deal early Thursday that averts a freight railroad strike that had threatened to cripple US supply chains and push prices higher for many goods.
The deal with unions representing more than 50,000 engineers and conductors was announced just after 5 a.m. ET in a statement from the White House, which called it “an important win for our economy and the American people.”
It came after 20 hours of talks between the unions’ leadership and the railroads’ labor negotiators hosted by Labor Secretary Marty Walsh. They began their meeting Wednesday morning with the clock ticking down to a strike that had been set to start at 12:01 am ET on Friday.
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Well sheit, I wanted a strike.
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Well sheit, I wanted a strike. There is only so much this administration can lie about and get away with. A railroad strike would have been front and center in all Americans faces as far as retail pain. The administration has made a lot of behind the scenes promises to both the union membership and its governing body. I’m betting the governing body came out the best. good time to be in the shoes of a servicing entity like the railroad industry with such a weak government trying to hide all of its disasters. This is in no way a cut on the rank and file. Osky
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Okay, I apparently need an update. What is "Hi-Viz"? Hi-Viz is quite simply the new work availability policy that BNSF implemented last February. Under the old availability policy of being available 75% of the days in a given month. For unassigned service (on call) this equated to 5 weekdays and 2 weekend days a month they could take unpaid off without violating the policy. If you work assigned service (set 5 day schedule) you were only able to take one unpaid day per month. So under the new Hi-Viz policy we are given 30 points. An unpaid layoff Mon-Thu cost 2 points a day, Fri-Sat 4 points per day, and Sun 3 points for unassigned service. Any unpaid layoff in assigned service cost 7 points. Then there are also what's called High Impact days, basically one of the 11 federal holidays, plus SuperBowl Sunday, Mother's and Father's day, or any day that BNSF deems without notice and to take an unpaid day cost 7 points unassigned and 10 points in assigned. If you miss a call, fail to report, or have to layoff after on duty it'll cost the employee 15 points. Current example we have an engineer who lost 15 points for failure to report, he has an accident report from his car wreck driving to work and emergency room paperwork and the company still charged him 15 points. 1st violation or hitting 0 points is a 10 day suspension and points reset to 15, 2nd time 20 day suspension and points reset to 15, 3rd time is termination. So far I know of a handful of people who have their fist violation, and one guy who had hit his third. None have been suspended or terminated, they've all been told to "get back to work". I imagine though the boot might come down in the future for some of the extreme violators. To earn 4 points back we have to be available for work with no paid or unpaid time off for 14 days with a few exceptions (jury duty, union business, or mandatory training). You also can earn 1 point if you make a trip between 12:01 Friday and 11:59 Sunday. However, you can't have a paid/unpaid layoff in the same weekend, and if you have more than one trip in that weekend you still only get 1 point. If you're the top engineer or conductor in the terminal for hours worked in a month you can get 7 points. When Hi-Viz was first implemented we couldn't have more than 30 points. The company did do some adjusting and now with top hours worked and the weekend point we can work up to a balance of 37 points. The staying available for 14 consecutive days to earn 4 points will not earn you above 30 points. BNSF saw the writing on the wall late last year, as they were trying to recall employees back to work from furlough. They had over 1500 certified conductors furloghed system wide with the majority of them at THREE + Years, most didn't come back to work. So when freight traffic picked up there wouldn't be enough employees to move them. FYI in June and July the top engineer worked over 260 hours in both months. The conductor was over 240 hours. The engineer working boards are progressive, the conductor boards are not unless the extra boards are exhausted. Federal law prohibits the railroad from working us past 12 hours on duty, more than 6 consecutive starts not counting deadheads with less than 24 hours rest time, and from working more than 276 total hours in a month not counting Limbo time. Limbo time is any time past our 12 hours of mandated hours of service where we might be waiting on transportation or lodging or deadheading by van or train.
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An agreement… how happy is Warren Buffet this morning? Gotta keep those tanker cars moving….
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Okay, I apparently need an update. What is "Hi-Viz"? Hi-Viz is quite simply the new work availability policy that BNSF implemented last February. Under the old availability policy of being available 75% of the days in a given month. For unassigned service (on call) this equated to 5 weekdays and 2 weekend days a month they could take unpaid off without violating the policy. If you work assigned service (set 5 day schedule) you were only able to take one unpaid day per month. So under the new Hi-Viz policy we are given 30 points. An unpaid layoff Mon-Thu cost 2 points a day, Fri-Sat 4 points per day, and Sun 3 points for unassigned service. Any unpaid layoff in assigned service cost 7 points. Then there are also what's called High Impact days, basically one of the 11 federal holidays, plus SuperBowl Sunday, Mother's and Father's day, or any day that BNSF deems without notice and to take an unpaid day cost 7 points unassigned and 10 points in assigned. If you miss a call, fail to report, or have to layoff after on duty it'll cost the employee 15 points. Current example we have an engineer who lost 15 points for failure to report, he has an accident report from his car wreck driving to work and emergency room paperwork and the company still charged him 15 points. 1st violation or hitting 0 points is a 10 day suspension and points reset to 15, 2nd time 20 day suspension and points reset to 15, 3rd time is termination. So far I know of a handful of people who have their fist violation, and one guy who had hit his third. None have been suspended or terminated, they've all been told to "get back to work". I imagine though the boot might come down in the future for some of the extreme violators. To earn 4 points back we have to be available for work with no paid or unpaid time off for 14 days with a few exceptions (jury duty, union business, or mandatory training). You also can earn 1 point if you make a trip between 12:01 Friday and 11:59 Sunday. However, you can't have a paid/unpaid layoff in the same weekend, and if you have more than one trip in that weekend you still only get 1 point. If you're the top engineer or conductor in the terminal for hours worked in a month you can get 7 points. When Hi-Viz was first implemented we couldn't have more than 30 points. The company did do some adjusting and now with top hours worked and the weekend point we can work up to a balance of 37 points. The staying available for 14 consecutive days to earn 4 points will not earn you above 30 points. BNSF saw the writing on the wall late last year, as they were trying to recall employees back to work from furlough. They had over 1500 certified conductors furloghed system wide with the majority of them at THREE + Years, most didn't come back to work. So when freight traffic picked up there wouldn't be enough employees to move them. FYI in June and July the top engineer worked over 260 hours in both months. The conductor was over 240 hours. The engineer working boards are progressive, the conductor boards are not unless the extra boards are exhausted. Federal law prohibits the railroad from working us past 12 hours on duty, more than 6 consecutive starts not counting deadheads with less than 24 hours rest time, and from working more than 276 total hours in a month not counting Limbo time. Limbo time is any time past our 12 hours of mandated hours of service where we might be waiting on transportation or lodging or deadheading by van or train. Thanks for the explanation. Sounds like an improvement over the attendance policy we had on UP. Fond memories here of the 90 hour weeks of '97.
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An agreement… how happy is Warren Buffet this morning? Gotta keep those tanker cars moving….
Osky Still has to be voted on, but history says either way, it's probably what will be.
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What fresh Hell is this?
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Here is a GOOD listen on the whole process of the rail strike for the layman. Warning I think one guy is a socialist/communist if not all of them, but the guy who does most of the talking is informative. https://podcastaddict.com/episode/145162283
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Whoops, another NO vote... OH!
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Dam, and the pedophile said he stopped this issue.....
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Whoops, another NO vote... OH!
Phil So the train strike may be back on... Toot Toot
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Or is that...
No Toot... No Toot.
It is all so confusing anymore.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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What I miss?
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panic panic 😱
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What I miss?
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Indictments
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panic panic 😱 Says the guy with 16.4 million canning lids.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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No panic, It was a clearance .35 a pack So I cleared the shelf. Figured they’d never go bag. Who’s the retard now lol
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