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I had a head up the azz moment. I dumped about 320 grains of IMR 4320 in a pound of Varget. Being they are so close in burn rates, any thoughts on whether it might be salvageable for fireform loads?

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With OCD, a magnifying glass, tweezers, and 5-6 hours - you should be able to separate them.

If you know you dumped exactly 320 gr, then just keep going until you get to that number.

4320 has a hole in the middle (like a thick wall pipe), Varget does not. Varget kernels are also about 1/2 the size.

Maybe run them through your wife’s pasta strainer or a window screen.

Good luck.

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Already in the compost pile.

Thanks for confirming what I already knew.. BP...

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I would have mixed that pound of varget up good and used it. You'd never have known the difference. 320grs is 4.6% of a pound. Being 4320 is slower than varget You'd only had a slightly slower lot of varget after mixing. Ammo companies mix powder all the time. We are overly cautious. If you would have offered it to me I'd bought it from you one the spot

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Ok enlighten me. While you wouldn't want to use the mixture for max loads and you couldn't duplicate a future load so you wouldn't want to use it for reference, if you used it for plinking or fire forming, why not use it up? 320 grains in 7000 is a little over 5 percent. Factorys blend powder all the time albeit measuring pressure when they work up a load.


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IMR-4320 is always after Varget on the burn rate chart, but they're close. By dumping a small percentage of 4320 in a pound of varget You'd only slow it down by a very small percentage. This would actually be safer for max loads. You had the perfect mixture in my estimation

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Grain sizes are actually very similar. There's no way I would have tossed it. Sure you would have saved it. I occasionally get down to south Texas

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Originally Posted by Gaschekt
I would have mixed that pound of varget up good and used it. You'd never have known the difference. 320grs is 4.6% of a pound. Being 4320 is slower than varget You'd only had a slightly slower lot of varget after mixing. Ammo companies mix powder all the time. We are overly cautious. If you would have offered it to me I'd bought it from you one the spot
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$40 for a lb of powder that is less than pizza and soda for the family.

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I've done the same with #9 and enforcer. Though I don't know the specific weight amount. Whatever was remaining in the bottom of my autocharge.

While I can't bring myself to dump it, I also haven't been able to make myself use it yet either. It has a piece of masking tape around the lid to remind myself to don't be stupid again.

I would use it if it's all I had left. And with them being #58 and #59 on the burn rate chart, when I'm loading the 9x39 subsonics, I use the same charge using both powders. The Enforcer tends to get about 30fps less velocity in comparison. So, it would probably be OK to use. But like I said, I haven't yet.

I may have a tree stump or boulder or something in the yard that needs to go away. I wouldn't hesitate to use it for something such as that.

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I once dumped a large amount of two powders together by mistake. I lucked out however, because one was a stick powder and the other a ball powder. Something I have left over from the 'old' days is a set of brass screens of different mesh sizes we used to grade soil grain sizes with. One of the mesh sizes allowed 100% of the ball powder to pass through and 0% of the stick powder. I didn't lose a bit of powder.

I did, however, learn a lesson. I have since never had more than one powder out of the storage room at a time!

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Originally Posted by Hook
I once dumped a large amount of two powders together by mistake. I lucked out however, because one was a stick powder and the other a ball powder. Something I have left over from the 'old' days is a set of brass screens of different mesh sizes we used to grade soil grain sizes with. One of the mesh sizes allowed 100% of the ball powder to pass through and 0% of the stick powder. I didn't lose a bit of powder.

I did, however, learn a lesson. I have since never had more than one powder out of the storage room at a time!

Did that with Blue Dot and Power Pistol. Set the jug of BD on the floor (wrong) and picked up the PP when I was done. Saw the label just as I commingled the gogo. There was a LOT more PP involved than BD. Checked the flake sizes and first grab got the right sized sifting screen. Took all the blue flakes out and what appeared to be most of the rest. Loaded with PP data and rocked on. Doubt there would have been a significant difference in velocity or pressure even if I hadn’t sifted.


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In this specific instance. I wouldn’t have lost any sleep in using it. I have for a long time now considered Varget to be as near as damnit the “Extreme” formulation of IMR 4320.

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Great for plinking or fouler rounds!

Stay low on the charges and mix well! Shaken not stirred.


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I would have used it. Mixed it with all the Varget I had on hand and forgot it.

I'm not smart enough to chance it so I only have one powder out at a time on the bench when loading.

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