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Having Nordstream pipelines in place, but turning off the tap, gave Russia a strong bargaining chip for negotiating an end to the sanctions and the war. It was contrary to their interests to destroy it - and that aside from the roughly 800 million Euro value of the gas contained in Nordstream 1, now venting into the Baltic, and the value of Russia's capital investment in these pipelines. The US on the other hand, or at least the Biden administration, had an interest in ensuring that Germany wouldn't do a deal with Russia. In recent days there have been protests in Germany which might have acquired enough momentum to tip the German Government's position. As well, Biden himself already foreshadowed this. The US Navy has even been trialling the technology that would be required, in the very area that the explosions took place: In support of BALTOPS, U.S. Navy Sixth Fleet partnered with U.S. Navy research and warfare centers to bring the latest advancements in Unmanned Underwater Vehicle (UUV) mine hunting technology to the Baltic Sea to demonstrate the vehicle’s effectiveness in operational scenarios.
Experimentation was conducted off the coast of Bornholm, Denmark, with participants from Naval Information Warfare Center (NIWC) Pacific, Naval Undersea Warfare Center (NUWC) Newport, and Mine Warfare Readiness and Effectiveness Measuring (MIREM) -- all under the direction of U.S. Sixth Fleet Task Force 68. https://www.c6f.navy.mil/Press-Room...for-research-and-testing-new-technology/
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Yep.
Unreliable gas at mini bar prices is just what Europe wants and needs..according to Liz.
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Burns knows all the high level military lingo and acronyms. He’s the real deal. When he and the “operators” get together that schidt flies. They brief him on all the latest top secret schidt. That, or he’s read some Tom Clancy novels. The boast of kiev.
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Interesting timing since the pipeline to Germany from Norway via Poland just went operational. That’s a prime candidate for payback.
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The Nordstream 2 pipeline allowed Russia to send energy to Western Europe without paying transit fees to Ukraine and Poland.
Russia just completed it in the teeth of opposition from Ukraine, Poland and the US.
And morons are postin it was Russia that blew it up.
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Interesting timing since the pipeline to Germany from Norway via Poland just went operational. That’s a prime candidate for payback. They'll be buyin some insurance from kingston.
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Little to no doubt .... we (the U.S.) did that. Doesn't matter now, what's done is done but read the global headlines. https://www.revolver.news
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I predict the loss of a Russian sub in the near future.
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Throw a few pigs with shape charges down the lines and try to blame the USA.
The Putin Pufters are already lapping up the narrative. Gas has to be flowing in order for the pigs to move down the line. Next... Stay in your very small lane. The Dummy Lane. Crawler pig can and do move both with and against flow. It's how they do inspection and maintenance while the line is flowing. All 4 lines were static at the time of cutting and pigs with shape charges could have come from either direction. It’s not very deep. It wouldn’t require a submarine. It could be a diver delivered by helicopter. Easy enough to do. I have been deeper on good old air. The list of possible bad guys is very long. That said the decompression schedule on the way up would be long and a helicopter boring holes in the sky above the cut point would draw attention, even if after the fact. The idea that only the USA had the ability to cut the lines is silly.
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Six pages and nobody has blamed Trump yet? Trump did it
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I don't see why the Russians would cut off a stream of income at time of war and eliminate a dependency Europe has on them. That doesn't make a lot of sense so I doubt they did it.
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I have been deeper on good old air. Bullshit.
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How deep was the pipeline?
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deeper than 300 feet on air? What a lying POS. Already 2 bottles in tonite? Throw a few pigs with shape charges down the lines and try to blame the USA.
The Putin Pufters are already lapping up the narrative. Gas has to be flowing in order for the pigs to move down the line. Next... Stay in your very small lane. The Dummy Lane. Crawler pig can and do move both with and against flow. It's how they do inspection and maintenance while the line is flowing. All 4 lines were static at the time of cutting and pigs with shape charges could have come from either direction. It’s not very deep. It wouldn’t require a submarine. It could be a diver delivered by helicopter. Easy enough to do. I have been deeper on good old air. The list of possible bad guys is very long. That said the decompression schedule on the way up would be long and a helicopter boring holes in the sky above the cut point would draw attention, even if after the fact. The idea that only the USA had the ability to cut the lines is silly.
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