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Nobody said you ‘came in’ thinking Paul was a fraud. But by your own words above, you clearly were later influenced by these “other sources” and ‘then’ you began to doubt Paul’s validity. It certainly appears that you’d already decided that Paul was a fraud ‘before’ you arrived at the specific conclusions that you’ve drawn about Paul in regards to Revelation 2 and 2nd Timothy that you described earlier.

If Paul was wrong, we've got a problem.

Isn't truth more important? Lots of people believe in lots of things that have no basis in reality - any other topic and they would be considered delusional.

I'm sure that for all other things in life you only believe them once you are convinced that they are true. Why the special concession for religion?

We meaning you?

Have a chat to Antlers - never too late to see the light, although some never do I guess.


Wonder when god is going to commission that much needed bible update - I feel people are being directed to hell due to simple misunderstandings.

I thought that he only mentioned 6, plus a new one.

What ever happened to the 600 other commandments?

No, you used the words transcend and ascend about yourself quoting one of my posts... here's what I said to you about transcending...

You don't transcend or become something different than you are, you already exist as body and spirit... you become aware. I see in others different levels of awareness and there's nothing wrong with that. I see in Christ a full awareness we will never experience in the body, understandably. When our physical body dies and we transcend and ascend to just our spiritual existence, that is severing the physical.

Kent

Now this makes sense. First comes the realization that you have been evil when you accept Jesus teachings on repentance. And you ask God's forgiveness and follow Jesus' instructions to the woman he saved from stoning, "go and sin no more". I know this won't go perfectly but your change will be very evident in your good works and good behavior.

I have a neighbor friend up at the farm who disliked me intensely, and I reciprocated. He will admit that he was a sorry rascal, stealing, drinking, and unfaithful to his wife. I have to admit I was more than unkind towards him. We both had things happen in our lives that lead us to the Lord and things at least became civil between us. Then we became allies in a legal case when a crazy man in the neighborhood became a serious danger to my family and his. And I mean serious, like with drunken rifle fire across our respective properties where he, his son's family, and his elderly mother all had houses on about 4 acres of land and business really picked up when I came onto our place. In short, I financed the lawsuit and it ended up with the sheriff coming out and killing the crazy. We are now the best of friends and I could call on him for anything.

Getting back to the good works being evidence of salvation. This man I'm talking about even though he is a skilled carpenter spent over 20 years of his life as a criminal, and an abusive husband, a person with a terrible attitude when drinking, was shot by his own brother in law with good cause to protect his family in a drunken incident. Now he is married to a very religious good woman, has a 13 year old well adjusted daughter and several grandchildren by his adult son that they spend a good bit of time with and bring to church where we all attend. In short he has become a man that anyone would be glad to have as a friend and neighbor. He now is an example of What Jesus advised "let your light shine before men that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven".

And we all know people who claim to have accepted Jesus and to live for the Lord with all evidence to the contrary.

That is a good start. The first thing that has to be done in solving a problem is realizing there is a problem.

To those that reject Paul, do you also reject Peter???

Because Peter called Pauls' writings.. Scripture.

Everything that exists in the physical universe, by definition, has physical properties that can be detected.

Human minds may postulate or hypothesis this or that particle or interpretation of QM, but our hypothesis and postulations are not established facts.

God is postulated and believed in on the basis of faith, not physical properties that we can detect.

So what we have is people speaking on behalf of the God they believe in, not something that can be detected, examined or tested.

God, if such a thing exists, does not reveal Its existence or communicate with us openly and directly.

So we are left with what people believe and what they tell us about God.

Directly and openly from God, nothing.

Nope, you are still wrong.


Proverbs 18:2…

“ A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.”


Apparently blind and deaf by your own choice.

No.
Kind of believe that might have been added in by who knows who.

Then how do you trust any of IT????

Gnostic Spiritualism?

Doesn’t this make you the arbiter of what is true, thereby negating the idea of special revelation?

Like for the 89th time I've heard that, some from you...

No

Kent

Maybe, if something is out in left field I disregard it.

Maybe you were asking IZH27 if he was gnostic, since he tried to transcend and ascend while still physically living.

I've never said weird chit like that...

Kent

That's not a rational argument. It is your opinion as a believer expressing your means of dismissing the truth. Which is that God is a human concept, a belief that's held on faith, neither testable or falsifiable.


If God did appear objectively and openly for all to see and hear, there would be no dispute.

Given an objective experience of God, we would all be theists.

"Don't cast your perils before wine."