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The only way small diesels make sense is in stripped down economy-work type pickups.
I am talking 35 l plus MPG.
Basically like what the rest of the silly world uses small diesels for.
Our current half ton diesels are stupid squared. Expensive to buy, gutless, and expensive to operate.
So....maybe stupid cubed. North Americans cannot imagine using a small utility truck. If they were sold here, it wouldn't take more than two years for the base model to list power seats, power windows, air conditioning and a bidet as standard equipment. I have a 1981 Dodge that gets over 12mpg pulling a small, enclosed trailer. Of course, I have to crank the window down by hand and reach out to adjust the mirror so it's pretty tough living. GD
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The only way small diesels make sense is in stripped down economy-work type pickups.
I am talking 35 l plus MPG.
Basically like what the rest of the silly world uses small diesels for.
Our current half ton diesels are stupid squared. Expensive to buy, gutless, and expensive to operate.
So....maybe stupid cubed. North Americans cannot imagine using a small utility truck. If they were sold here, it wouldn't take more than two years for the base model to list power seats, power windows, air conditioning and a bidet as standard equipment. I have a 1981 Dodge that gets over 12mpg pulling a small, enclosed trailer. Of course, I have to crank the window down by hand and reach out to adjust the mirror so it's pretty tough living. GD As a society - the thought of being uncomfortable or inconvenienced in the least gives us heartburn. Those who are comfortable with even the mildest of discomforts/efforts will do well in the coming collapse.
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Will my heated seats still work in the case of an EMP attack?
Now with even more aplomb
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The Ford Maverick hybrid gets 40 MPG (city) and starts at $21K for the base model. The 2023 model year is already sold out.
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I believe Dodge/Ram is discontinuing their ecoDiesel soon as well. The engine is made by Fiat, and that engine has a reputation of lasting about 100K, Good for ANYTHING made by Fiat. An American Gas engine would last much longer... I'm sure they are dumping it, after the grapevine has learned that it doesn't have the life span of what folks expect out of a diesel.
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I've been hearing great things about the Chevy 3.0 Baby Max and it's capabilities. With 246 hp and 462 lb/ft of torque it will pull a pretty serious sized load and many guys have been reporting they pull large travel trailers and other loads with theirs and are quite happy with it. Highway mileage with the 3.0 seems to be pretty good also. Seems like a pretty good package to live with IMO...
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I have a 2015 Ram 1500 Laramie Ecodiesel that I bought in February of 21 that was $20k out the door. Full delete and tune, I get 27mpg on average. I absolutely love this truck, except that it was assessed for $46k, which is what my personal property tax bill was based on. $900 to the county. Hope they're happy, stupid board of supervisors and their damn tax hikes. Virginia taxes vehicles every year? Damn. Virginia and West Virginia both... Personal Property Tax WV is a tiny fraction of what Virginia charges.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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You're selling yourself short by not looking at the Ford Eco-boost. Especially for what you're using it for. Hell, to pull that trailer you could do it with a Chevy Colorado or Ford Ranger and get better mileage than you're getting now.
I pull a 4000 pound boat all over the damn place and get 10-12 mpg with the Ford 150 and a 2.7 eco-boost. The 3.5 would be even better.
I have 2 friends that have the GM diesel baby duramax and they really like it. Larger tires and also pull boats all over getting mid to high teens towing and 20's not towing.
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I've a 2018 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi for work which involves moderate towing. 21 MPG rolling down the interstate at 85 mph. It'll tow a 6000 lb flatbed load from SLC to all over UT, NV, ID and get 13 MPG. We've considered the diesels, but the economics just don't work with the differential in fuel prices with the extra price of admission at purchase, and I don't have to deal with the panther piss you need to add to them for emissions. For heavy loads, I've a Dodge CTD. The 1/2 ton has been flawless at 140k miles.
Yodas certainly aren't known for their fuel economy. I'm not a fan of the ecoburst either but lots of peeps seem to be.
Yours in Liberty,
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I'd love to see a 5.7 get 21 at 85mph LMAO. I think you mean 12 mpg
Last edited by tzone; 10/06/22.
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None of them will ever pencil out, they make zero sense. All diesels are making less sense. I have the F150 3.5 and like it well, but my work truck is a 6.7 Powerstroke for pulling and towing. Mileage on it sucks, but it doesn't grunt. Really don't want to buy another HD truck, but if I have to, I'd seriously consider the 7.3 gas engine.
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In about 2-3 yrs a post will be started stating they wish the big 3 would make a dieseled powered 1/2 pickup.. From my understanding ford dropped it due to low sales, sounds like ram same thing.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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NOt a good time to buy a diesel anything.
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I'd love to see a 5.7 get 21 at 85mph LMAO. I think you mean 12 mpg My wifes 2015 ram 1500 rolled 21 MPG on MT highways with the stock tires. Not so much with 35" tires though .
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As mentioned emRam will discontinue their eco-diesel soon. My cousin has one in the GMC that he uses to pull his camper with says it pulls like a champ and he really likes it. From the short time I rode it with him I was a nice rig.
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I have the Ford F 150 diesel. Mine is a 2018 I bought when the 2019’s came out. I need to mention my favorite niece sold me the truck. She is a long time employee of dealer ship that specializes in truck sales. Let’s just say I got a good deal on mine. Computer says 20+ mpg in town. So far I really like the truck. My last truck was a 2008 Duramax.
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If you want it...go get it.
They didn't really seem to be the solution to any problems....but go for it if you like.
I am MAGA.
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If GM would just put the 3.0 Duramax in a Avalanche, you'd really have something practical and cool. 😉
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If GM would just put the 3.0 Duramax in a Avalanche, you'd really have something practical and cool. 😉 But you'd still have a Chevy. And nobody wants that.
Camp is where you make it.
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Friend has a Ram, he likes it.
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