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Thanks,
I've sent them a couple emails and never heard back either.
Winchester rifles and Swarovski scopes.
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Is it going to make a difference on the business end? I think you guys over-think much. 3300fps is no good, but 3500 Is? Really? That's the implication. Shoot the stuff for drop and group, and that's all you really need. My opinion is worth what you paid for it- pm me, and I'll send you an address to mail the check.
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Is it going to make a difference on the business end? I think you guys over-think much. 3300fps is no good, but 3500 Is? Really? That's the implication. Shoot the stuff for drop and group, and that's all you really need. My opinion is worth what you paid for it- pm me, and I'll send you an address to mail the check. If +/-200 fps doesn't matter, why don't the ammo companies just advertise the lower and correct velocity?
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So you believe in the "news" just as presented? By anyone.
Well, advertised MV does matter for prying money out of the pockets of those who over think it. Advertising always puts a rosy light on the stuff being sold. Expect and allow for it, unless it's too egregious. No one sells stuff by understatement. Usually. It's nice if approaches accuracy tho. As noted, they likely changed something and not the web site. Enough feedback and they probably will.
Plus, are you using the same barrel, throat, twist (not, from your post), etc. they are, under the same conditions?
Or you can load your own for your desired velocity in your rifle, under your conditions. Personally, I load for best (or acceptable, at least) accuracy with the components I am using, at the time I load. I don't own a chronograph, and have never used one. It would be an interesting data point, but that's about it for my use.
One of my scopes says "1 click =1/4" at 100, but in practice, 3 clicks equal an inch at 100. But it is repeatable......I can live with that.
Trust but verify/adapt for your own use?
Sometimes "good enough" is just that. Good luck with your quest.
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Hornady Superformance factory 280 Remington ammunition with the 139gr SST loads run 2975 fps out of my 22" barrel. They're rated for 3090 fps.
The only factory ammo that I can recall hit advertised specs was some older 35 Remington 200gr core lokt ammo. It clocked 2150 fps from my short 18" barrel. It's rated for 2080 fps.
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Is it going to make a difference on the business end? I think you guys over-think much. 3300fps is no good, but 3500 Is? Really? That's the implication. Shoot the stuff for drop and group, and that's all you really need. My opinion is worth what you paid for it- pm me, and I'll send you an address to mail the check. If +/-200 fps doesn't matter, why don't the ammo companies just advertise the lower and correct velocity? Bingo
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Quoting las “ are you using the same barrel, throat, twist (not, from your post), etc. they are, under the same conditions? ”
Did the factory test in commercial rifles or in a pressure barrel? Lots of variables; increasing the number of variables increases the range of outcomes and the likelihood of velocities not matching the advertised.
las has listed some excellent solutions which ring true in my experience
“ Shoot the stuff for drop and group, and that's all you really need.
My opinion is worth what you paid for it- pm me, and I'll send you an address to mail the check. smile
Trust but verify/adapt for your own use?
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Is the standard temperatures for ammo manufacturers 59 degrees?. Shooting in temperatures 20 degrees colder than standard would cause a reduction in muzzle velocity. How much I do not know.
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I’ll be surprised when a factory load EVER consistently clocks the speed they claim or higher. I automatically deducts 100fps from published velocities and I’m usually damn close.
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I've recently been grabbing MVs of the PPU factory ammo offerings in both 9.3x62mm and .375 H&H. Actuals are surprisingly quite close to the published nominals.
In 9.3 the actual MV was a hair over the published nominal. All these were from a 24" barrel.
I've also experienced this from Norma 6.5 CM and .375 H7H ammo as well.
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A 40-50 fps variation is not something to get worked up about.
Have you ever owned two rifles of the same chambering? You’ll find out pretty quick they vary a little and sometimes a lot.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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