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It's not just the ACT scores and it's not anything new. I was an Air Force recruiter in the 1970's in California, students from some high schools failed the ASVAB 7 out of 10. Recruiters today are faced with the same problem.
If you can't pass the written exam to join the Army, what the hell hope do you have?
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I’ve maintained that the ACT was a scam since I was 16 (I’m 49 now).
I’ve long thought that the ASVAB should also be used for college admissions.
Had a high of 27 on the ACT (paid to take the silly thing 3 times). Dunno what my ASVAB score was, but Army Sgt. Ron Brown from Denver sure did wear the phone line to my parents out trying to recruit me.
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It's not just the pandemic, it's the schools, too. And the parents…..
Sic Semper Tyrannis
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Mean while the teachers union president is over in Ukraine ,to see why their students are doing so poorly
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Private school. I know it’s not an option for everyone but we sacrificed to send our boys. Youngest is a senior this year. Scored 26. We are quite proud.
Clyde
The liberal mind is an endless black hole of stupidity.
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Diversity is the downfall of mankind. White People
PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!
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The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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I think public education is pretty much a failure and has been for several years. The government keeps throwing taxpayer money at it as though spending more will improve the system. Until they start educating instead of indoctrinating nothing will improve.
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Wasnt just the pandemic.
All the electronic devices that do their thinking for em.
3 digit division with a pencil and paper is Mt Everest schit.
Multiplication tables...
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I hear you Jim, Hard to say. In Scandinavia, they got good raw material in the way of students.
A quick anecdote, a friend bought an ancient 2 room school building a few years back, we were going to jack it up and move it...got sidetracked, it was full of old file boxes, we got to looking through them. I'm no scholar, but we were absolutely stunned at some of the examples of the daily lesson plans in those files (pre WW2). Arithmetic, algebra, geometry on a level 1st thru 8th I think that would stump a recent high school grad. But, class size may have had something to do with it, 6 or 8 kids per grade. We were telling a lady that went to that school as a child, and she said that the older kids constantly tutored the younger kids...that is a lot of one on one time. My folks...graduates of '63 and '64 were much better educated than I was...by and large. I was class of '01. I was much better educated than my children. Funny thing is...my parents never even asked how school was going. Never asked to see a report card. We have to constantly keep tabs on things or our kids get behind. As our education system declines....parents have to be more involved.
I am MAGA.
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Would you guys be supportive of requiring a Masters to become a teacher? What kind of master's degree?
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Students create their own level of achievement based on a combination of the level of ability with which they are born, the level of their desire to achieve, and the degree of expectation/demand placed upon them by their parents. Schools are there to provide a framework for that to take place.
Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.
Happily Trapped In the Past (Thanks, Joe)
Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
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Would you guys be supportive of requiring a Masters to become a teacher? What kind of master's degree? In education? Would it be better if it was more specific?
I am MAGA.
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Students create their own level of achievement based on a combination of the level of ability with which they are born, the level of their desire to achieve, and the degree of expectation/demand placed upon them by their parents. Schools are there to provide a framework for that to take place. In other words....it weren't yer fault.
I am MAGA.
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Would you guys be supportive of requiring a Masters to become a teacher? What kind of master's degree? Jim and mathman, I graduated with a B.S. in natural science with minors in chemistry and social studies (a waste) and went to a rural HS for two years where I had to teach all of the sciences. IMO, the education classes were a waste of time and money. For the sciences, I would have been better prepared with an M.S. in physics, or chemistry, or anatomy and physiology. Seems reasonable, as one needs a PhD to teach same in college/university.
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Students create their own level of achievement based on a combination of the level of ability with which they are born, the level of their desire to achieve, and the degree of expectation/demand placed upon them by their parents. Schools are there to provide a framework for that to take place. In other words....it weren't yer fault. Our schools are more concerned with making sure kids are fed breakfast and lunch, going as far as to deliver food to kids with schoolbusses during the Covid lockdown. No idea how the education system took on this responsibility.
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Would you guys be supportive of requiring a Masters to become a teacher? What kind of master's degree? In education? Would it be better if it was more specific? I'd be more supportive of a subject oriented master's degree. That said, I don't think I'd have a person looking to teach HS math get the same MS degree as I did along the way to my doctorate. I would however like to see a significant technical upgrade from the typical M.Ed with a few "math for teachers" courses sprinkled in.
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There's a huge range of public school quality. Ya'll keep your heathen city chit away from our town. LOL
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!"
--- Kid Rock 2022
Holocaust Deniers, the ultimate perverted dipchits: Bristoe, TheRealHawkeye, stophel, Ghostinthemachine, anyone else?
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It's not just the pandemic, it's the schools, too. Yeah, it's what happens when you replace reading and mathematics with drooling and mouth-breathing.
Haul ass, haul ass! - Pappy
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Would you guys be supportive of requiring a Masters to become a teacher? What kind of master's degree? In education? Would it be better if it was more specific? I'd be more supportive of a subject oriented master's degree. That said, I don't think I'd have a person looking to teach HS math get the same MS degree as I did along the way to my doctorate. I would however like to see a significant technical upgrade from the typical M.Ed with a few "math for teachers" courses sprinkled in. Yeah, because $300k in student debt to get a $44k a year job is worth it to only have to work 9 months a year…..LOL The education system in this country is an absolute joke. There should be at least as many tech schools as there are universities.
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My attorney, who is 10 years my younger and one of about 6 people I respect, and extremely expensive and brilliant made a statement that’s stuck with me.
He said “you know what the problem is with this country? You have guys in thousand dollar suits making $60k a year looking down their noses at guys in Carhartts making $90k a year.”
Fugkin love that guy.
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