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First off thank you for all the people who will say you can kill a deer ethically with a 22 Mag all the way up to you need to hit them like a Mack Truck and shouldn't shoot less that a 180 grain slug.
My question is: I built a new rifle in 6.5 Grendel. I only get to hunt and have shots in my area to about at the most maybe 300 yards. I know the Grendel is more than enough for that. The kicker is that I got invited to hunt on a place with some old friends for a few days where there are reportedly 600 yard shots. Not that anyone should attempt to take a deer at 600 yards, but I would like to take my new rifle and not lug around my heavy barreled .257 Weatherby Mag. I shot the Grendel suppressed and it has zero recoil. I also don't want to wound one and mess up others hunting.
My gun is shooting a 120 grain Barnes TTSX @ 2280 FPS from the muzzle.
100 yards Velocity is 2082 fps with 1155 ft-lbs of Energy
200 yards Velocity is 1894 fps with 956 ft-lbs of Energy
300 yards Velocity is 1718 fps with 786 ft-lbs of Energy
400 yards Velocity is 1554 fps with 644 ft-lbs of Energy
500 yards Velocity is 1407 fps with 527 ft-lbs of Energy
600 yards Velocity is 1278 fps with 435 ft-lbs of Energy
Some people say 600 is good for the cartridge because the bullet is still supersonic.
Some people say 250 to 300 is the max due to the ft-lbs of energy.
What do you say??? Stop hunting. Thanks.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Trajectory
Input Data
Manufacturer: Barnes Description: Triple-Shock™ X Boattail
Caliber: 0.264 in Weight: 120.0 gr
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.381 G1 (ASM)
Muzzle Velocity: 2280.0 ft/s Distance to Chronograph: 10.0 ft
Sight Height: 1.50 in Sight Offset: 0.00 in
Zero Height: 0.00 in Zero Offset: 0.00 in
Windage: 0.000 MOA Elevation: 0.000 MOA
Line Of Sight Angle: 0.0 deg Cant Angle: 0.0 deg
Wind Speed: 10.0 mph Wind Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Speed: 10.0 mph Target Angle: 90.0 deg
Target Height: 12.0 in
Temperature: 59.0 °F Pressure: 29.92 in Hg
Humidity: 0 % Altitude: 0.0 ft
Vital Zone Radius: 5.0 in
Std. Atmosphere at Altitude: No Pressure is Corrected: Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range: No Target Relative Drops: Yes
Mark Sound Barrier Crossing: No Include Extra Rows: No
Column 1 Units: 1.00 in Column 2 Units: 1.00 MOA
Round Output to Whole Numbers: No
Output Data
Elevation: 10.022 MOA Windage: 0.000 MOA
Atmospheric Density: 0.07647 lb/ft³ Speed of Sound: 1116.4 ft/s
Maximum PBR: 273 yd Maximum PBR Zero: 232 yd
Range of Maximum Height: 129 yd Energy at Maximum PBR: 790.0 ft•lbs
Sectional Density: 0.246 lb/in²
Calculated Table
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.5 *** 0.0 *** 2287.5 2.049 1394.0 0.000 0.0 ***
25 0.9 3.5 0.1 0.3 2231.7 1.999 1326.9 0.033 5.8 22.3
50 2.9 5.5 0.3 0.6 2176.8 1.950 1262.3 0.067 11.8 22.6
75 4.4 5.6 0.7 0.8 2122.5 1.901 1200.2 0.102 18.0 22.9
100 5.4 5.2 1.2 1.1 2069.1 1.853 1140.5 0.138 24.3 23.2
125 6.0 4.6 1.9 1.4 2016.4 1.806 1083.2 0.175 30.7 23.5
150 6.0 3.8 2.7 1.7 1964.6 1.760 1028.2 0.212 37.4 23.8
175 5.4 2.9 3.8 2.1 1913.5 1.714 975.5 0.251 44.2 24.1
200 4.2 2.0 5.0 2.4 1863.4 1.669 925.0 0.291 51.2 24.4
225 2.4 1.0 6.4 2.7 1814.1 1.625 876.7 0.331 58.3 24.8
250 -0.0 -0.0 8.0 3.1 1765.7 1.582 830.6 0.373 65.7 25.1
275 -3.1 -1.1 9.8 3.4 1718.3 1.539 786.5 0.416 73.3 25.5
300 -7.0 -2.2 11.8 3.8 1671.8 1.497 744.6 0.461 81.1 25.8
325 -11.7 -3.4 14.1 4.1 1626.4 1.457 704.7 0.506 89.1 26.2
350 -17.2 -4.7 16.5 4.5 1582.1 1.417 666.8 0.553 97.3 26.6
375 -23.5 -6.0 19.2 4.9 1538.9 1.378 630.9 0.601 105.8 26.9
400 -30.8 -7.3 22.1 5.3 1497.0 1.341 597.0 0.650 114.5 27.3
425 -39.0 -8.8 25.3 5.7 1456.2 1.304 564.9 0.701 123.4 27.7
450 -48.3 -10.2 28.7 6.1 1416.8 1.269 534.8 0.753 132.6 28.1
475 -58.6 -11.8 32.4 6.5 1378.8 1.235 506.4 0.807 142.1 28.6
500 -70.1 -13.4 36.3 6.9 1342.2 1.202 479.9 0.862 151.8 29.0
525 -82.8 -15.1 40.5 7.4 1307.1 1.171 455.2 0.919 161.7 29.4
550 -96.7 -16.8 45.0 7.8 1273.7 1.141 432.2 0.977 172.0 29.9
575 -112.0 -18.6 49.7 8.3 1241.8 1.112 410.9 1.037 182.5 30.3
600 -128.7 -20.5 54.7 8.7 1211.8 1.085 391.2 1.098 193.2 30.8
625 -146.9 -22.4 60.0 9.2 1183.6 1.060 373.2 1.161 204.2 31.2
650 -166.7 -24.5 65.5 9.6 1157.2 1.036 356.7 1.225 215.5 31.7
675 -188.0 -26.6 71.3 10.1 1132.7 1.015 341.8 1.290 227.1 32.1
700 -211.1 -28.8 77.3 10.5 1109.9 0.994 328.2 1.357 238.8 32.6
725 -235.9 -31.1 83.5 11.0 1088.9 0.975 315.9 1.425 250.9 33.0
750 -262.6 -33.4 90.0 11.5 1069.5 0.958 304.7 1.495 263.1 33.5
775 -291.1 -35.9 96.7 11.9 1051.5 0.942 294.5 1.566 275.6 34.0
800 -321.6 -38.4 103.6 12.4 1034.7 0.927 285.2 1.638 288.2 34.4
825 -354.2 -41.0 110.7 12.8 1019.0 0.913 276.6 1.711 301.1 34.8
850 -388.8 -43.7 117.9 13.2 1004.4 0.900 268.7 1.785 314.1 35.3
875 -425.6 -46.5 125.4 13.7 990.5 0.887 261.4 1.860 327.4 35.7
900 -464.7 -49.3 133.1 14.1 977.4 0.875 254.5 1.936 340.8 36.2
925 -506.0 -52.2 140.9 14.5 965.0 0.864 248.1 2.014 354.4 36.6
950 -549.6 -55.2 148.9 15.0 953.1 0.854 242.0 2.092 368.2 37.0
975 -595.6 -58.3 157.1 15.4 941.8 0.844 236.3 2.171 382.2 37.4
1000 -644.1 -61.5 165.4 15.8 930.9 0.834 230.9 2.252 396.3 37.8
Thanks for the chart, AS. It looks like the Grendel uses .87 MOA for every MPH of wind at 600. That's a little over 5 inches. How many people here can call the wind within even 2 MPH? I like to get within 5mph and have a sighting shot. 😂
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Perhaps…..but, not with the Barnes bullets!
I am and have been an adamant proponent of Barnes Bullets since the early ‘90’s. To expect good expansion at the velocities you list at. 300 yards…..puts you on pretty thin ice for adequate expansion!
I would suggest (and I can’t believe I’m saying this) you would be better served with one of the fragile, cup and core bullets available for hunting (?) ……Sierra, Nosler Ballistic Tip, Berger, ect., ect! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
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I have a Grendel, and shoot 120gr ballistic tips, and 125 grain partitions.
No way I would shoot past 300, even on a booner, I have too many other guns/cartridges that are more than capable of going greater distances.
I can't understand why so many people think a little, tiny, cartridge, like a Grendel, or 6 ARC, are now super duper, long range killing rounds ??
I have both, and find them fun toys, but only hunting rounds for realistic distances, within their respective size constraints.
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I have a Grendel, and shoot 120gr ballistic tips, and 125 grain partitions.
No way I would shoot past 300, even on a booner, I have too many other guns/cartridges that are more than capable of going greater distances.
I can't understand why so many people think a little, tiny, cartridge, like a Grendel, or 6 ARC, are now super duper, long range killing rounds ??
I have both, and find them fun toys, but only hunting rounds for realistic distances, within their respective size constraints. Exactly. The Grendel is not a long range hunting round. I love mine, but the shots I will take are limited to 250 yards or less. I'll probably let my oldest granddaughter use it, as she likes it better than her 243. She won't shoot at anything over 200 yards, so it'll be good.
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I decided after shooting the 300 win mag again today to take it. I am shooting it suppressed with a 200 grain eld-x bullet with a custom turret. I shot it out to 300 yards and was happy with it. I dont have a longer range.
Since I have been invited to hunt and I want to use what will put the most knock down power. I dont want a long tracking job or piss off the neighbors. I would rather have too much gun and be prepared for a long shot instead of standing there looking at a Booner to far away to ethically shoot.
Thanks for all your comments and knowledge. I will save the Grendel for hunting here at the house where all the shots are under 200 yards. I am going to bust a couple does with it and see how it does and make some better bullet choices.
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Use this hunt as an excuse to buy a general purpose hunting rifle. 308,270 or 30-06. Not too hard to find one that weighs around 8.5 pounds scoped, slung and loaded. Forget about 600 yards, obviously you are not practiced enough for that.
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If it were me I would bring both guns. That way you have options. I don't know how many days you will be hunting there. If you intend to be slipping through the hardwoods, I would use the 6.5 with the 123 sst's. That will easily get you to 200yds. Should be plenty for shooting on the ground in the woods. If you decide to set up on the edge of a pasture, then use the 257 Bee. and shoot to what ever distance you feel comfortable at. This
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[quote=H5farm]I decided after shooting the 300 win mag again today to take it.
I've shot oodles of deer sized game with a 300 WM, from 150gr Federal Factory loads on Texas Hill Country deer to 180 Barnes on similar sized Springbok in Namibia. I suffered no shame, nor did I tear up a bunch of meat with either load! Since I never used the bullet you named, I "think" I myself would try for high shoulder shots instead of behind the shoulder. But hey, I don't know! I hope you do well and report back with pics!
Save your Barnes in the Grendel for hogs. I once used a little 6mmx222 Magnum wildcat with older Barnes 85gr SBT going 2900fps. ( recent neck surgery) I killed two big Axis deer fine as well as bigger game, but it failed to open at 40yds on jackrabbits, just zipped through. They dies after a long run, of course. Not enough muscle mass to initiate expansion. Since hogs are "almost like" shooting a hardwood stump, Barnes are great, SST not so much. On skinny/soft animals, SST is great, Barnes not so much...unless you hit bone.
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Take your new rifle in 6.5 Grendel and do the right thing and limit your shots to 300 yards or under.
Just because you can make a longer shot, you need to be positive that you are making a good shot on the animal. I would say that, but you did already. 
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Use this hunt as an excuse to buy a general purpose hunting rifle. 308,270 or 30-06. Not too hard to find one that weighs around 8.5 pounds scoped, slung and loaded. Forget about 600 yards, obviously you are not practiced enough for that. Absolutely. I AM experienced in shooting targets at 600 yards - High Master classification at 600 with the Service Rifle, BUT I would never even think of shooting at a deer at 600 yards. In fact, I limit my deer shooting with my .270 to an absolute max. of 400 yards, and that's with a firm rest and no wind. Anything past 300 yards would have to be one hell of a trophy buck for me to even consider squeezing the trigger.
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Use this hunt as an excuse to buy a general purpose hunting rifle. 308,270 or 30-06. Not too hard to find one that weighs around 8.5 pounds scoped, slung and loaded. Forget about 600 yards, obviously you are not practiced enough for that. Absolutely. I AM experienced in shooting targets at 600 yards - High Master classification at 600 with the Service Rifle, BUT I would never even think of shooting at a deer at 600 yards. In fact, I limit my deer shooting with my .270 to an absolute max. of 400 yards, and that's with a firm rest and no wind. Anything past 300 yards would have to be one hell of a trophy buck for me to even consider squeezing the trigger. You are not the OP. And I agree with you though I limit myself to 450 yards.
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