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Quickload 🙄
Although useful within reason, I would approach Quickload max loads with a critical eye and no small degree of caution…. And how's that different than any loading manual?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Antelope,
Because (most) load manuals use a pressure receiver that creates a pressure curve graph.
People only pay attention to peak pressure when the X axis displays the entire curve and importantly the Y axis displays time (duration).
Duration of peak pressure and the duration of entire curve is not predicted with Quick Load.
A guy can never reach SAMMI peak pressure, but still blow up the rifle because of the duration of the pressure.
I note some of the RL26 Quick Loads posted are well over SAMMI max of 60k psi and we have no knowledge of the duration of the pressure curve generated with those powder charges.
Casey
Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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Antelope,
Because (most) load manuals use a pressure receiver that creates a pressure curve graph.
People only pay attention to peak pressure when the X axis displays the entire curve and importantly the Y axis displays time (duration).
Duration of peak pressure and the duration of entire curve is not predicted with Quick Load.
A guy can never reach SAMMI peak pressure, but still blow up the rifle because of the duration of the pressure.
I note some of the RL26 Quick Loads posted are well over SAMMI max of 60k psi and we have no knowledge of the duration of the pressure curve generated with those powder charges. Right over your head. Point is, even with pressure tested data, it's best to work up.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Sigh……
Of course we work up regardless of the source. But pressure translates into velocity. And if you have been paying attention we can be waaaay over pressure without pressure signs.
Velocity derived from a pressure receiver vs velocity derived from calculations—which one is more legit?
Casey
Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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There's a reason it's called Magic Pixie Dust:
rtridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Useable Case Capaci: 58.803 grain H2O = 3.818 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-26 *C
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.794% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-07.9 100 58.00 2606 2715 40486 9988 96.8 1.364
-07.1 100 58.50 2633 2771 41719 10070 97.2 1.345
-06.3 101 59.00 2660 2828 42993 10147 97.6 1.326
-05.6 102 59.50 2687 2886 44320 10221 97.9 1.307
-04.8 103 60.00 2714 2944 45693 10290 98.3 1.288
-04.0 104 60.50 2741 3003 47117 10354 98.6 1.270
-03.2 105 61.00 2768 3063 48594 10413 98.8 1.252
-02.4 106 61.50 2795 3123 50127 10468 99.1 1.235
-01.6 106 62.00 2822 3184 51720 10517 99.3 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
-00.8 107 62.50 2849 3245 53373 10562 99.5 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 63.00 2876 3307 55091 10601 99.6 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
+00.8 109 63.50 2903 3369 56876 10635 99.8 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
+01.6 110 64.00 2930 3431 58734 10663 99.9 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+02.4 111 64.50 2957 3495 60667 10686 99.9 1.133 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.2 112 65.00 2984 3558 62679 10703 100.0 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 112 65.50 3010 3622 64774 10715 100.0 1.101 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 63.00 2932 3436 59144 10448 100.0 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 63.00 2813 3163 51296 10664 98.6 1.220 ! Near Maximum !
Maybe I’m not used to reading QL tables, but that doesn’t top out much more above 2800 than 4831 can safely get, does it?
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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I tried Reloader 26 with 168gr bullets in one of my 30-06's and wasn't overly impressed.I saw a posting where the person was having great results with it using 180gr bullets.I decided what the heck I'd give it a try with the heavier bullets.This is where it shines.I had my 28" Pacnor barreled 30-06 when I did my test loads.Just for thrills I loaded some 200gr Accubonds too.I loaded up Winchester cases,WLRM primers,180 Accubonds,with 63.5grs of Reloader 26.I clocked that load at 2992fps.I haven't tweaked this load any,this is my test load target and it is not bad,so I left everything as is.I tried the Reloader26 @ 63.5grs with 180gr Nosler Ballistic Tips in two of 30-06's.Both rifles grouped this load about 3/4".My 23" barreled rifle ran it at 2890fps and my 24" barreled rifle was 2882fps.Looks like a good solid 180gr load.The 200gr Accubond test load was Winchester case,WLRM primer,61.0grs Reloader 26 out of my 28" Pacnor barreled 30-06.This load clocked 2815fps on my Magnetospeed.So yes,Reloader 26 is certainly a great powder in the 30-06 for the heavier bullet weights. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/Y0CVHbyV/180-r26.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/26wJMPTh/30-06-200gr-AB-R-26.jpg) Ok, but…28 inch barrel…
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Sigh……
Of course we work up regardless of the source. But pressure translates into velocity. And if you have been paying attention we can be waaaay over pressure without pressure signs.
Velocity derived from a pressure receiver vs velocity derived from calculations—which one is more legit? You probably worry about shooting 5.56 factory loads in a .223 rem chamber.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Duration of peak pressure and the duration of entire curve is not predicted with Quick Load.
I note some of the RL26 Quick Loads posted are well over SAMMI max of 60k psi and we have no knowledge of the duration of the pressure curve generated with those powder charges. Are you sure about that? ![[Linked Image from i0.wp.com]](https://i0.wp.com/www.theballisticassistant.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image-42.png) This is not the graph for RL-26, but quick load does provide a predicted pressure curve. The curve for RL-26 is smooth and regular, without the weird spike you see in some load combinations. It's this feature that allows rl-26 to produce higher velocities within SAAMI pressure specs.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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180 game kings and 58 grains of hunter was great. Stout but not a fan of compressed loads. Went down to 57 and still over 2800fps.
Hunter has also been great in my 270 with 140s.
All of them do something better than the 30-06, but none of them do everything as well.
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I have no problem with compressed loads.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I have no problem with compressed loads. Me either,in fact,nearly every load I shoot in the 30-06 with 4350 or slower powder is compressed or near compressed.
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As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
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I am thinking of trying a 180gr NBT with H4350 in my 7600 carbine for an in woods deer load.
Does anyone have experience running that combo?
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I am thinking of trying a 180gr NBT with H4350 in my 7600 carbine for an in woods deer load.
Does anyone have experience running that combo? I have been running this combo for decades with 56 grains of this powder. Much less meat damage than with 150 BTs at shorter distances. Consistent sub-moa groups.
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