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Another thing that weights into the equation is that males of some means do not marry until they are in their early 30's and once a girl is not married by 22 she is not desirable

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
We've heard that there are an estimated 34 million more young men than women in China because of the 1-child law. This has produced another consequence. Dowries have skyrocketed. A dowry is a price paid by the groom's family to the brides family. It's been a tradition in China for centuries in spite of being illegal. Since brides are at a premium due to the scarsity of young women, the dowry demands have shot way up. It's common for brides' families to demand 5x an annual wage. This Foxnews article mentions a case where someone demanded $163,000 bride price. It was impossible for the groom's family to pay and they had to break up.

BRIDE PRICES

I've read in other places that many young Chinese men are going to other countries to find wives. Needless today, the young men in those countries are upset when foreign men come in to take away the available women, leaving them with a woman shortage.
You ever been there?

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Originally Posted by blanket
Another thing that weights into the equation is that males of some means do not marry until they are in their early 30's and once a girl is not married by 22 she is not desirable
It's not 22.

The Chinese term is Sheng nu. It generally applies to single women 27 and older.


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China has millions of surplus military aged males. When the next big shooting war happens that will make a huge difference because they can afford to take huge casualties that other nations cannot absorb. Numerical superiority is an often overlooked military tactic


That's one argument.
From a big picture standpoint.

Big pictures are made of small components.

Those "surplus military aged males" are all the only son, only child, of
millions of Chinese couples.

When they start getting slaughtered, there better be a dam good reason.
And it better be able to be passed off as defending the homeland.

And that's the real problem. Chinese parents have not stomach for war since they have no "back up" kids. The loose the one and their family line is extinguished, forever.

So, as pointed out, what do you think the parents et al can do about it? They believe whatever their media tells them to believe, the media isn't ever going to tell them all, or even much truth, they have no effective weapons or organization, the leaders, army, police have all the power. "No stomach for war" - well who does? Except the ones who don't have to actually fight.

They ain't gonna do squat, even if they want to They are an enslaved nation, and we are getting there ourselves. Maybe we are already, most people just don't know it. The elites do, tho.

War is a very good way to test weapons, lose population (easing economic stresses), stimulate the economy ( manufacturing weapons, etc),
and of course creating a crises to "unite the people" behind the government.

Google Lying Flat.

The the problems of the CCP are growing.

It’s worse than that -there’s the “let it rot” phenomenon.

I have not found a single source regarding Chinese social or financial trends that completely aligns with my personal experience. And yes, I’ve been there. I think 8 trips plus living there for the better part of two years 2015-17.

What I think happens, is that someone will find something outrageous to write about, and it gets wide publicity, and lots of people with zero personal knowledge chime in… Kinda like social media everywhere.



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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Another thing that weights into the equation is that males of some means do not marry until they are in their early 30's and once a girl is not married by 22 she is not desirable
It's not 22.

The Chinese term is Sheng nu. It generally applies to single women 27 and older.

And even that is changing, figure more like 30 if she has a degree and has a career.

That said, a colleague got married about six months after telling me she thought she would be a bad wife and that she would prefer to be single. She finally succumbed to family pressure, married the guy that had been arranged and immediately got pregnant. She’s happy being a mom, but admits it was a marriage of convenience. Her 29th birthday was coming up, this was back in 2018.



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Originally Posted by Scott_Thornley
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by las
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
Originally Posted by MAC
China has millions of surplus military aged males. When the next big shooting war happens that will make a huge difference because they can afford to take huge casualties that other nations cannot absorb. Numerical superiority is an often overlooked military tactic


That's one argument.
From a big picture standpoint.

Big pictures are made of small components.

Those "surplus military aged males" are all the only son, only child, of
millions of Chinese couples.

When they start getting slaughtered, there better be a dam good reason.
And it better be able to be passed off as defending the homeland.

And that's the real problem. Chinese parents have not stomach for war since they have no "back up" kids. The loose the one and their family line is extinguished, forever.

So, as pointed out, what do you think the parents et al can do about it? They believe whatever their media tells them to believe, the media isn't ever going to tell them all, or even much truth, they have no effective weapons or organization, the leaders, army, police have all the power. "No stomach for war" - well who does? Except the ones who don't have to actually fight.

They ain't gonna do squat, even if they want to They are an enslaved nation, and we are getting there ourselves. Maybe we are already, most people just don't know it. The elites do, tho.

War is a very good way to test weapons, lose population (easing economic stresses), stimulate the economy ( manufacturing weapons, etc),
and of course creating a crises to "unite the people" behind the government.

Google Lying Flat.

The the problems of the CCP are growing.

It’s worse than that -there’s the “let it rot” phenomenon.

I have not found a single source regarding Chinese social or financial trends that completely aligns with my personal experience. And yes, I’ve been there. I think 8 trips plus living there for the better part of two years 2015-17.

What I think happens, is that someone will find something outrageous to write about, and it gets wide publicity, and lots of people with zero personal knowledge chime in… Kinda like social media everywhere.

If you'd like to share your personal perspectives I'd love to hear them.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by Hotrod_Lincoln
Some things never change, and very few people remember stories of the massed charges of Chinese soldiers in Korea, with only one of every three carrying rifles. The other two were screaming and blowing bugles, and were supposed to retrieve the rifle from a fallen comrade and press on. A seemingly endless supply of troops would overrun American positions with sheer mass of numbers. My landlord for a time was a medic in Korea, and he said the machine gunners in his unit kept a stash of spare barrels and got really good at changing melted-down barrels in the middle of a firefight. Does anyone really think China wouldn't repeat that kind of tactics?

Chinese Commies learned that 3 men to one rifle BS from the Russians in WW2. The Soviets did the same thing on the Russian front...and also gave each man, a bandoler of just 5 or 6 rounds ONLY. My Step Dad was a young Marine in Korea, was with the first Marines to be shipped over from Japan in 1950. 18 years old and 160 pounds of in shape Marine Corps. He ended up leading a Marine Long Range Recon unit, on raids and Search & Destroy missions at night and they had to try to sleep in the Trenches on our side, the following day. He was in constant combat until the day the Korean War ended, on July 27th 1953. That was his 21st birthday, he weighed 95 pounds.

He talked of, what it was like in the trenches in Korea. Wave after wave of chinese troops in attacks. There were human waves of people, with only the front ones carrying a rifle, followed by two more men who were supposed to pick it up and keep charging. The leaders for the attack, did not lead from in front of their men, but from behind. Charges were pushed by Communist Party Political Officers, who carried AKs. Anyone trying to retreat were mowed down by the Political Officers. The Marine Corps machine gunners would try to mow down as many of the people they could in the front of the ranks, with 30 caliber machine guns. 50 caliber machine guns were fired at the Political Officers in the rear. Their uniforms stood out, among the troops with OD Quilted Fatigues, in sharp contrast. The Marines also used the ONTOS, to fire on the Political Officers. each had six 105 or 106 Mm Recoilless Rifles on them, mounted on a tank chassis.

At times the bodies would stack so high, the ONTOS would have to blow shooting lanes for the troops to see the next wave coming behind the dead.
Dad said the Marines could never figure out why, but somehow the Chinese troops would know when all the political officers had been killed and would turn and retreat. The Marines would cease fire, to conserve ammo. Even in winter and the cold, after the shooting stopped, Marines couldn't help notice that their feet were sloshing in blood, that had came into the trenches, as it would run into there in little creeks, from the carnage that the attack had caused, flowing down the hill. You could tell the new Marines in the unit. After the fighting, they were the ones barfing their guts out from all the carnage they had just endured...experienced Marines were use to it.

My step Dad really never did come home from the Korean War. I remember times growing up, at 3 in the morning, I'd hear him balling his eyes out.
He never wanted anyone to see him cry, so he'd just hold it in, until bad dreams woke him up....in the middle of the night.

Doubt much has changed in the Chinese military, and their indifference to sacrificing thousands of young men's lives. Seems the Russians are doing the same thing in the Ukraine right now. Their units are followed by mobile cremation units to get rid of the bodies of their dead.

can the young generation of this nation, stand up to that kind of experiences to defend our nation and its existence? I highly doubt it.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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To maintain the population, China needs those young men to be home raising families, not just being cannon fodder. The communist government screwed the pooch years ago with their 1 child policy. They apparently never thought that people would kill off their baby girls in order to have a son.

Wrong. These are young males without wives. They are surplus. You need to look at the population of China by gender. They have way more males than females and those will be cannon fodder. Engage your grey matter.

Then who supports their parents in old age?
As usual, when the govt screws things up, it only consolidates & enhances it's power.
The govt will ship those parents to mass-care facilities.


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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Bunch of old boomers on here are checking the savings account to see if they can swing $163,000 for a young chinese mail order bride as I type.
This old Boomer is like Johnny Carson the night Jack Hannah brought the ferrets and one bit Johnny through the web of his hand. Jack had the other one and tried to hand Johnny the one he was holding to pry the other little weasel off his hand, and Johnny said , "I got one, why would I want another one..."

50 years with the same old storm and strife, if something happens to her first, there are two chances I would ever give the keys to my life to another woman. None, and absolutely farking none.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
To maintain the population, China needs those young men to be home raising families, not just being cannon fodder. The communist government screwed the pooch years ago with their 1 child policy. They apparently never thought that people would kill off their baby girls in order to have a son.

Wrong. These are young males without wives. They are surplus. You need to look at the population of China by gender. They have way more males than females and those will be cannon fodder. Engage your grey matter.

Then who supports their parents in old age?
As usual, when the govt screws things up, it only consolidates & enhances it's power.
The govt will ship those parents to mass-care facilities.

With one child, they'll have two married adults caring for 4 parents, and with the new 3 child policy, 3 kids as well.

If they kill off all the "excess" young men, they are not there to take care of their parents AND they lose the tax revenue.

Have to wonder if those "mass care" facilities will be collocated with new power generation units.


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Originally Posted by jackmountain
Bunch of old boomers on here are checking the savings account to see if they can swing $163,000 for a young chinese mail order bride as I type.

The chinese massage girls at the "Get Lucky" spa down by the interstate are a lot cheaper than that. That's why they all want to come to America.


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Still cheaper than a divorce, in the US.
another reason divorce should never be common


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