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I've read clr on stainless steel for long periods of time is a nono VERY TRUE! It is death to aluminum (for long periods).
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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ALL... quite literally ALL .22 cans work the same...
The math is that easy...
Don't over think it... I whole heartedly Disagree; Based on experience with only a few cans (centerfire & rimfire). Unless of course you're talking rimfire rifles only, then you are partly correct. Out of a .22 LR rifle most any can is good. A .22LR pistol will separate the so so cans from the really good cans. Only partly correct because the ability of the design to be easily disassembled and cleaned is important. No, "Don't over think it", but use the experience of those who have or have shot multiple cans to get the best suppressor for your needs. I will also add that I often buy and try different guns, If a any gun doesn't fly my kite, it can pretty easily be sold... Not so with suppressors, so shop wisely. I was speaking about a .22 can... I thought I said that above... I am not familiar with any .22 can that cannot be easily disassembled for cleaning As for centerfire... I own 9... This topic was about rimfires IIRC... Not sure anyone is still making sealed rimfire cans. Was very common in the past. Some of those manufacturers offered a cleaning service where you would send it back and they would open and clean it and return it to you. Aside from that, some cans are much easier to take apart to clean. The Silencerco Sparrow comes to mind. "ALL... quite literally ALL .22 cans work the same..."Also, my main point is that there is a BIG difference in suppression, which is easily detected on 22 Rimfire pistols, All Rimfire Suppressors are not equal in suppression. Which is what I took your statement to imply. Forgive me if I misinterpreted that. Jerry
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Also, my main point is that there is a BIG difference in suppression on 22 Rimfire pistols, All Rimfire Suppressors are not equal in suppression. Which is exactly what you said.
Jerry In what way are they different... Please help me understand the point I am missing. I have a junk Sparrow (probably the cheapest .22 can you can buy). It is rugged, easy to clean and mouse fart quiet with the proper ammo. That is what is confusing to me...
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If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Well I’m done with the “dip” solution.
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Also, my main point is that there is a BIG difference in suppression on 22 Rimfire pistols, All Rimfire Suppressors are not equal in suppression. Which is exactly what you said.
Jerry In what way are they different... Please help me understand the point I am missing. Uhhh, They're much quieter on a pistol. Not hard to miss. As I said earlier, most any rimfire suppressor is quiet on a rifle. Don't shoot a suppressed rimfire pistol? Then rock on with your your chosen suppressor. Jerry
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Also, my main point is that there is a BIG difference in suppression on 22 Rimfire pistols, All Rimfire Suppressors are not equal in suppression. Which is exactly what you said.
Jerry In what way are they different... Please help me understand the point I am missing. Uhhh, They're much quieter on a pistol. Not hard to miss. As I said earlier, most any rimfire suppressor is quiet on a rifle. Don't shoot a suppressed rimfire pistol? Then rock on with your your chosen suppressor. Jerry I shoot many .22 LR pistols (you made an incorrect assumption there). I disagree about "much quieter"... with the 3-4 other brands I have tried... in fact, they have all been the same or louder. My whole point initially was for folks not to overthink a .22 can. UNLESS you want to it to also handle 5.7x28 etc. But that is a totally different matter... at least in my mind.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Paul, I shot the Optimus Micro, alongside my Dead Air Mask and TI Quest. I used my Ruger Mk 4, with a Tactical Solutions barrel. Optimus Micro; 9.55 oz 1.22"D X 5.375"L Dead Air Mask; 8.35 oz 1.07"D X 5.125"L TI Quest; 7.4 oz 1.0"D X 5.0"L I ran two magazines of CCI Mini Mag's through the Optimus & the Mask (without hearing protection). I could not tell any difference between the Dead Air Mask and the Optimus Micro in suppression. Both are quiet enough to be hearing safe. The TI Quest was loud enough that I quit after three rounds, and shot the rest through the Optimus Micro. There's less difference in the weight of the Mask and the Optimus than I thought==> only 1.2 ounces. Jerry From the Optimus Micro manual;
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So if the Dip or CLR methods for stainless baffles are not ideal, what works and isn't super labor-intensive? I've used the CLR once and was pleased, but I'm finding about 50/50 mixed opinions on if it should be used long-term.
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Paul, I shot the Optimus Micro, alongside my Dead Air Mask and TI Quest. I used my Ruger Mk 4, with a Tactical Solutions barrel. Optimus Micro; 9.55 oz 1.22"D X 5.375"L Dead Air Mask; 8.35 oz 1.07"D X 5.125"L TI Quest; 7.4 oz 1.0"D X 5.0"L I ran two magazines of CCI Mini Mag's through the Optimus & the Mask (without hearing protection). I could not tell any difference between the Dead Air Mask and the Optimus Micro in suppression. Both are quiet enough to be hearing safe. The TI Quest was loud enough that I quit after three rounds, and shot the rest through the Optimus Micro. There's less difference in the weight of the Mask and the Optimus than I thought==> only 1.2 ounces. Jerry From the Optimus Micro manual; Help me understand this Jerry. All of my rimfires and my 223 have 20 inch barrels. Is the Optimus Micro not rated for a barrel longer than 14.5"? My hope was that I could find a suppressor that I could move freely back and forth. One that can be disassembled for cleaning rimfire crud. The suppressor will not see a whole lot of use on any platform. I am most interested in silence at subsonic 22LR velocities.
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Paul,
The 14.5" is the minimum barrel length for .223/5.56 use, anything 14.5" or longer is fine per Griffin. And, there is no minimum barrel length for 22LR, 22 Magnum, 17 HMR & 5.7.
"My hope was that I could find a suppressor that I could move freely back and forth. One that can be disassembled for cleaning rimfire crud. The suppressor will not see a whole lot of use on any platform. I am most interested in silence at subsonic 22LR velocities."
There is no perfect answer...
The Optimus Micro would work. It has excellent 22LR rifle & pistol suppression, and can be used on some 22 caliber centerfires. However, due to the lack of volume, it would not be optimal for 5.56 suppression.
I believe I've read of a few other centerfire rifle suppressors that can be taken apart for cleaning. For rimfire use, due to the bulk (generally 1.5" dia.), they would not be optimal on a rimfire, but would/should offer better suppression than the Optimus Micro. I find the size obnoxious on a centerfire rifle, but the trade off for suppression is worth it.
The standard answer is to buy a rimfire suppressor first, and later get a centerfire suppressor. Not bad advice, but for obvious financial reasons, it's not what a lot of people can or want to do.
I shoot a bunch of 22LR, a 22 suppressor is what I specifically wanted. After shooting 22LR suppressed, I was extremely impressed and went on to centerfire rifle suppressors.
Now, I've got several rimfire & centerfire suppressors... If I were starting over, I would get the Optimus Micro as a first suppressor, since besides shooting rimfire, it allows you to dabble with centerfires.
Jerry
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I have one of the now discontinued Griffin Checkmates and it's extremely well made and quiet. If I were looking for another rimfire can now I'd probably go with their Optimus.
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Now, I've got several rimfire & centerfire suppressors... If I were starting over, I would get the Optimus Micro as a first suppressor, since besides shooting rimfire, it allows you to dabble with centerfires.
Jerry Thanks for all the info. This is kinda where I am with it.
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Now, I've got several rimfire & centerfire suppressors... If I were starting over, I would get the Optimus Micro as a first suppressor, since besides shooting rimfire, it allows you to dabble with centerfires.
Jerry Thanks for all the info. This is kinda where I am with it. LOL. Pretty sure when all is said and done you won't have a supressor. Lets see what happens.
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Now, I've got several rimfire & centerfire suppressors... If I were starting over, I would get the Optimus Micro as a first suppressor, since besides shooting rimfire, it allows you to dabble with centerfires.
Jerry Thanks for all the info. This is kinda where I am with it. LOL. Pretty sure when all is said and done you won't have a supressor. Lets see what happens. Hell, John. If one of yours check the boxes, I'll buy it from you.
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I did a write up on cleaning sealed cans a while back...
If your can (centerfire) is all Titanium soak it anything you like. Care to provide a link? I have a sealed titanium .22 rimfire can. 99% of the time its on a .22wmr rifle, but generally shooting non jacketed subsonic ammo (for all intents and purposes this ammo is basically .22lr) and that ammo dirtys up my barrel bad.
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LOL. Pretty sure when all is said and done you won't have a supressor. Lets see what happens. Hell, John. If one of yours check the boxes, I'll buy it from you. LOL. Not gonna happen. Pretend to buy the Griffin can. No Wyo Arms can for you.
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I just submitted my paper work for a Dead Air Mask 22 suppressor, I look forward to playing with that one. I have a YHM R9 suppressor and it works great on a 22 lr also but being as it is a fully welded tube I went ahead and got one for 22 lr (DA Mask). I have a 12" 9mm AR pistol and the R9 is fantastic on it. One of the big things promoted for the DA Mask was no 1st round pop in 22 lr, I didn't notice any 1st round pop while briefly using my R9 on my 22 lr rifles or pistols. By the way I didn't know these things were addictive.
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I did a write up on cleaning sealed cans a while back...
If your can (centerfire) is all Titanium soak it anything you like. Care to provide a link? I have a sealed titanium .22 rimfire can. 99% of the time its on a .22wmr rifle, but generally shooting non jacketed subsonic ammo (for all intents and purposes this ammo is basically .22lr) and that ammo dirtys up my barrel bad. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/17051587I shoot lots of very heavy big bore subs... this will make a can FILTHY in almost no time at all.
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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The suppressor will not see a whole lot of use on any platform. I am most interested in silence at subsonic 22LR velocities. I predict you will regret your impulse to go with one suppressor to do everything you think (today) that you want to do. There's a reason why most of the guys here have more than one. Do yourself a big favor and buy two to start off with; a rimfire can and a .30 centerfire can for the .223 and the new rifles you're going to buy with threaded barrels after you see how cool they are.
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The suppressor will not see a whole lot of use on any platform. I am most interested in silence at subsonic 22LR velocities. I predict you will regret your impulse to go with one suppressor to do everything you think (today) that you want to do. There's a reason why most of the guys here have more than one. Do yourself a big favor and buy two to start off with; a rimfire can and a .30 centerfire can for the .223 and the new rifles you're going to buy with threaded barrels after you see how cool they are. LOLOLOL. This is exactly what I have decided on. We have absolute crap for shops around here. I made an appointment with a small shop for Wednesday. I am about 95% certain on a Dead Air Mask and a 30 cal rated CF suppressor of some sort.
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