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KillerBee;
Good evening my friend, I'm just checking in as I put on the night log and head off to bed.

While I will do my level best to answer any question you might have, please know you're asking it of a fellow who couldn't make it farming and spent my working life in the blue collar world with the occasional weekend chasing cows on the back of a decent cowhorse.

As far as I'm aware Quebec is a province in Canada which actually has or at one time had more hunters per capita than any other province. Since I've never been there - though our eldest and her husband have a couple times - I am not qualified to answer much about it other than they were granted special status by the British to keep their religion and legal system in exchange for not joining the Americans in their American Revolution.

That special status has continued more or less to this day, though it might be more in them practicing it than it being entrenched in any documents, that I can't say.

I'll check in once I get the morning fire going and the coffee on tomorrow sir.

All the best to you all until then. I bid you good night - rest well.

Dwayne

Top of the morning to you Dwayne, yet another day granted to us by the almighty, AMEN! :o) I appreciate your response and will share this view with you.

As you have noticed I do not say that much in these threads and keep my comments brief. If I wanted to, I could write three screens full here as to why I believe Canada is a "Ruined Nation", but I will not, I do not need to be put on any "Government List".

Fortunately for you, you were born and raised in Western Canada, I was not as fortunate. I was born and raised in Quebec. You have no idea how much that sucked! People that were fortunate enough to be born in the West do not realize just how bad it is in Quebec and Westerners never had to suffer the way English people did when I grew up there. By the way the legal system (code) they follow in Quebec is the Code Napoléon (Napoleonic Code) and they are the only Province in Canada that follows that code, and they are unfortunately very much part of Canada.

Earlier in this thread I brought up the “English Language Police” that exist in Quebec. They monitor businesses to ensure that the English Language is not visible on any storefront signage. Companies that do not add translations to their signs could face fines up to $25,000 and twice as much for repeat offenders. You can even go to jail and beaten up if you resist!

This approach has in my opinion eliminated “Freedom of Speech” in Quebec and therefore since they are part of Canada, I say that this Nazi like approach has in part ruined our Country. I can site many other aspects of how Canada has become a “Ruined Nation” but will only add the discriminating and radical government stance against firearm owners.

Because of what I went through and witnessed growing up, I have come to my conclusion which will never change, if you were subjected to the same situation I was, maybe you would better understand my point of view.

Again, I will say that I am very happy that I am not a young person that wants to hunt as a lifestyle choice. This fight is the next generations fight, and if they do not do their best to change the political landscape, they will eventually lose the right to hunt, by the way things are heading.

I wish them the best, the problem as I see it, is there may not be enough of these next generation hunters to make the difference. I guess we will see.

Anyway, I hope you have a fantastic weekend in beautiful BC!

Cheers ~ KB

That punk Redgewell still hasn't chimed in?
LOL

Killerbee, you sound like you have given up, and you want to hand the battle over to our youth.
Having been in more than a few battles myself, identifying those who you want to go into battle with is an easy one.
Why post in this thread if you are defeated already?

Defeated?

I really do not believe it is in my interests to participate in this fight. Like I said I am older, have hunted and fished in more places than most people I know. My hunting career is winding down, and I do not have any children, so I have no stake in this game.

If I had children, I would definitely do my best to fight this BS, not for myself, but for my children. Unfortunately, my son passed away tragically when he was 24.

For those of you that have children, I would fight this tooth and nail!

I will vote for the party that promises not to enact this law, that's for sure!

KillerBee;
Top of the morning back at you my friend, it does appear for all intents and purposes we're both still on this side of the grass - albeit it's covered with a bunch of snow here.

Thanks for sharing that with us as I'm sure I'm not alone in not really being able to wrap my head around what it was like to live in Quebec during those times or frankly any time.

Our experience out west could almost be summed up in two sound bites from PM Shiny Pony's father Pierre Elliot, when he gave the crowds in Salmon Arm the finger and when he told prairie grain farmers we could "sell our own damn wheat" when we were protesting the quota system and Canadian Wheat Board which was only dissolved in 2015.

Farmers were arrested and jailed when they tried to circumvent the Canadian Wheat Board too KillerBee, so no actually we couldn't sell our own damn wheat.

It's amazing to me that whatever bad fruit comes from that particular tree, it doesn't fall far from it and it's consistent in it's ability to not tell the truth to Canadians. Yah, they're consistent, I'll give them that.

Honestly we've met a pile of wonderful folks from all across Canada and when I speak of a restructuring or even Western Canadian separation which I was an avid supporter of back when, it's not the individuals from the east whom I am even one bit disgruntled with.

As far as the next batch of hunters, for sure there's a strong push to curtail and possibly eliminate them, but having been a BC Hunter Safety instructor/examiner has given me a pretty good look at the ebb and flow of who is joining us, at least locally. I used to do RPAL too, but haven't been active in the federal program for a couple decades now.

Anyways KillerBee, one year in our class was a young fellow with multiple tatoos, bearing races in his ears and a few other attachments that would have meant a hand search when flying...

One of the first things I do to start off the class is ask who has been hunting, who hasn't etc. and then attached to that if they care to share, why it is they're interested in coming over to the participant side of the food chain.

When it came to the young fellow, he said more or less, "A couple years ago I became involved in the locavore food movement which is sourcing your food as locally and organically as possible. One day it hit me that you old hunter dudes have been doing that your whole lives - so here I am man!"

He was a keen student and an absolutely wonderful addition to our class, needless to say he passed with flying colors and hopefully is hunting today.

Like our country, our hunting and shooting community is changing for sure. Again, I'm going to do my best to protect and preserve it for the next shift or die trying.

Thanks for your candor by the way, I enjoy the back and forth a lot.

All the best and keep the fire well stocked today my friend.

Dwayne

673;
Morning my friend, I see your light is on so you made it through the night as well I see. Good stuff.

It's not windy here at least and has "warmed up" to -8°. We were in shirt sleeves last year this time, remember? Weird.

Anyways for those of us who are writing paper letters, here's a link that Wolverine Supplies has of the swing ridings where the MPs just got in by the skin of their socialist teeth and yah, I'm in Richard Cannings district so he's getting a letter from me regardless.

Nonetheless I think the good folks in Virden, MB are correct in that we should inundate the swing ridings and let them know we're here and we care....

https://wolverinesupplies.com/bill-c-21

Oh, I saw this morning in my feed that a lady Liberal MP from Quebec stood up and spoke against the bill as did Charlie Angus. That doesn't mean they didn't vote for it and Charlie Angus is another swing riding too, so he might have had to hire extra mail readers all ready too, let's hope.

We're off to hit Can Tire in the big town as the kids' Forester needs a new battery this morning and if I spend $200 there they say I get $40 of Can Tire points...whoo hoo!

All the best and we'll be in touch.

Dwayne

Sorry about your Son, I have two of them, but it isn't about them, or at least not in the way some may think. It is about "traditional Canadian values" and whether we keep or allow them to be trampled by what is best described as.....foreign influence.

I also think....I don't believe in elders, however, I believe in old people, and old people have a responsibility to the youth in the form of guidance in all aspects of our society. In my view, it is also the responsibility of old people to offer guidance to new comers to Canada as to what we expect them to "respect" as our "traditional Canadian values".

I could tell you have no stake in the game, hit the showers then.

673:
Morning sir, me again and I still hope you're all well up north.

"I also think....I don't believe in elders, however, I believe in old people, and old people have a responsibility to the youth in the form of guidance in all aspects of our society. In my view, it is also the responsibility of old people to offer guidance to new comers to Canada as to what we expect them to "respect" as our "traditional Canadian values"."

We'll have to chat about the elders vs old people thing next time we chat on the phone - remind me okay? I'm interested in learning on that subject as it's something I'm starting to dig into more and more. Which cultures used folks my age for what and all that - you know me, it's another rabbit hole.

I wholeheartedly agree with that thought though and might I say sir, well stated indeed.

Anyways 673, in the spirit of giving praise when it's due - a tip of the battered Bailey to you my friend and sincere kudos.

Dwayne

Fair enough 673,

What does "hit the showers" mean???

So please tell all of us here in detail how you are going to fight Amendment C-21?

I would be very interested in hearing your plan of action.

The plan, thus far has been layed out a number of times in this thread.
As things develop, other "avenue's of approach" will present themselves to those in the fight, but you gotta "anti up" to get in the game.

You don't have to participate, let others do it, simple.

Well I am going to vote, that is basically what I am going to do.

If you are referring to the letter suggested here, that sounded like a good idea, I may do that.

Are you going to write a letter?
Are you going to run for office?
Are you going to work with your representative in your district and go door knocking on hundreds of doors to educate people?
Are you going to go to Ottawa and protest?

I don't need to go to Ottawa.
I don't need to knock on doors.
I am not running for office.
Do you think these are requirements to oppose Bill C-21?

I have written letters, a number of them actually, to a diverse group of recipients, and will continue to do so. Its not the amount of letters, its where they are going is of more value imo.

I try to reach to other cultural groups in Canada that are often clueless as to what traditional Canadian values are.

I have also, like others contributed $$$ to the CCFR, joined the Conservative party, and continue to encourage others to not give up. As stated, other avenues of approach will reveal themselves.

I applaud your efforts!

Thanks Killerbee.
As you stated earlier on a different subject,, you don't need a pat on the back. I don't either, but there are those that do deserve a pat on the back, which is my point.

We should acknowledge and encourage MP's, MLA's, Senator's to continue voicing for us when we can't.

Then....I am hopeful that some Liberals and NDP MP's, MLA's and back bencher's will voice their opposition or cross the floor entirely.

I personally think this could be a Colossal mistake for the Liberals and NDP and friends.

If we fail then it will be time to support the separation of Canada, which I don't want, but it wouldn't be the first time in Canada it has been a logical step in the right direction when faced with a Tyrannical government.

Hi 673,

I for one am all for Western Separation and if there was a vote for that I would vote for it. Here is a funny story for you.

The week I left Quebec there was a vote that week for Quebec to separate from Canada. So, the last thing I did when I left for Western Canada, I voted for separation from Canada. I was hoping to get them out of Canada!

My vote was foiled again, and the majority voted to stay in Canada. We don't need any dummies telling us what to do in Alberta or BC for that matter!

Remember this guy, I will give you a hint: "Dah Peopoles fron dah Countreeeee du Wesssturn Canaddahh"

I can't for the life of me understand why you Westerners keep on voting in French Prime Ministers. Over the years I have learned to grin and bear it!

Guys, thanks for keeping the thread alive as we move forward. There have been some great points made.
I keep fighting these tyrannical acts against firearms ownership because it is the right thing to do in order to keep our culture alive and growing. Regardless if you hunt, target shoot casually or are involved in one of the many shooting sports at any level, are collector or simply one who hunts, these are all legitimate reasons to own and use firearms. Even for defense of oneself and loved ones or in the unlikely event that a foreign entity was to invade Canada, ordinary citizens who abide by the law, should not be deprived of the opportunity to own firearms.
I do it for myself, my children and my grandchildren. I also do it for ordinary citizens regardless of if I know them or not. It is a part of our heritage and must not be allowed to be destroyed.
I believe we are seeing some momentum, let's keep it going!
Jeff

+1

where's them proud Canadians at?... hope the guys in the US are paying attention to this you have to rid your country of liberal pieces of [bleep]

Hopefully the pressure keeps increasing. Even the CBC is now picking up on the serious flaws.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bill-c21-sporting-guns-1.6673730