This is some of the worst news out of Ottawa yet regarding the ongoing criminalization of Canadian Gun Owners! (Bill C-21)
Jeff

Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights
THIS IS A RED ALERT FOR ALL CANADIAN GUN OWNERS!
BREAKING - New Massive Long Gun Bans Brought by the Liberal\NDP\Bloc Coalition

Today the Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition government broke the glass on a typical Liberal distraction tool – gun bans. With Canadians reeling from a failed economy, tripling of taxes looming, 1.5M Canadians using foodbanks, hospitals overwhelmed with sick children who can’t even get Tylenol, Chinese interference in elections and of course a terrible showing at the Public Order Emergency Commission, the Liberals needed the media and Canadians in general talking about something other than their failures.

On behalf of this coalition, the Liberals added a disastrous amendment to Bill C-21 effectively prohibiting several million additional, individual rifles and shotguns. These new prohibitions will include:

SKS
IWI Tavor & X-95
all AR180 and variants
Canuck bullpup shotguns
Crusader Arms
Kel-Tec Sub2000 (and others)
JR Carbine
Kriss Vector
Ruger PC Carbine
GSG 16
GSG 15
Norinco T97 NSR
Benelli MR1
Benelli M4
all B&T models
countless others
This amendment has been put forward by the Liberals and they have the votes to add it to Bill C-21. If Bill C-21 passes, and again they do have the votes, these firearms as well as all formerly prohibited firearms will be enshrined in legislation.

Bill C-21 also now prohibits ALL CENTERFIRE SEMI-AUTOMATIC firearms with removable magazines.

Back in 2020, the Liberals banned over 2000 models and variants of hunting and sporting guns commonly owned and used safely by gun owners across the country. They said gun owners would be compensated for this loss and were welcome to purchase other guns as replacements…now, they’ve come for the rest of them. This is why nobody can trust a word these people say. But hey conspiracy theorists – they’re not “coming for your guns”.

So take notice Canada, yes they are, and it doesn’t matter what they told you yesterday or what they tell you tomorrow.

The CCFR will come forward with a plan and provide more information in the coming days. Please continue to support your organization as we will fight these corrupt political parties (Liberal\NDP\Bloc and of course the Green Party), in every possible way.

Please also watch our website and social media account for more information.

Jeff;
Good evening, my goodness this is a kick in the gut.

Here's Rod talking about it.



I'm still processing this all, but it's bad.

All the best to you folks regardless.

Dwayne

Good evening Dwayne,

Thanks for posting the video. Rod is very well spoken.

This entire process is disheartening to see, Absolute disregard for those of us who will be affected by this
incredibly useless bill. Criminal comes to mind. Some folks say the Liberals et al are too stupid to comprehend the
end result of this and all previous anti-gun bills/OIC's they have passed to bully us. I beg to differ: they know exactly what they are doing.

Destruction of an entire industry and culture/lifestyle in Canada is the end goal, has been since the 70's at least. Target shooting, firearm collecting, hunting are all being destroyed quickly. In addition to the firearm industry, ranges, outfitters, small town tourism and conservation will all be negatively impacted/destroyed. They have seen an opportunity to strike with a viscousness unlike anything else they have done prior. The impact of this bill will have zero effect on crime and they know it. Expert after expert has testified or presented studies to back it up, the wrong people will be hit and hit hard, the law-abiding citizen!

No, I am not going to give up this fight. We must fight them with every legal method at our disposal.
I know there will be folks who say "If only we had a 2nd Amendment type bill in Canada" I truly feel that even a protection such as that would not stand in the way of this evil government.

My thoughts for this evening.
Jeff

I concur Jeff, the fight must be fought with every legitimate tool that we have.

There is a gunfight everyday in BC, it has now spread to rural area's. All these guys are recent immigrants, you know, the ones that are going to help our Country with our shortage of labor.

Legitimate is a broad word when we are talking about fighting.

Be prepared and accept you and your family being enslaved, your God and Bible to be banned. No Constitutional amendment is going to stop this train. They would simply not allow you banking, insurance, medical care, food etc if you don't follow along.

Jagmeet is largely responsible for all of it, I drop by the local NDP office to voice my opinion, but there are cobwebs on the door and the MLA is nowhere to be seen and hasn't been there in months. She survived a recall petition, I have no idea how. Jagmeet was not voted for.

I am going to maintain as I have stated previous......Canada's Native populace has played a large role in the Tyranny the general populace has had to endure, their silence says everything. It is the leadership that has herded the People into a pen and silenced them, unable and most telling...unwilling to use their Constitutional power at their hand.

I suspect we are nearing, or fully into the time of trouble never before seen, as foretold to us. It is because of this I will not comply, and frankly would rather be dead than live enslaved.
It is going to get alot worse.

I just fired off a couple letters to Native governance, I will let you know if and when they respond.
I simply ask what initiatives have been taken to oppose the Federal Liberals OIC.

Just out of curiosity, I do not own any Handguns or Restricted Firearms, for that reason I have never follow restrictions because it has never applied to me. In fact, I haven't even watched any Canadian TV or News for over 20 years. The only thing I do is vote and always for Conservatives.

Will Bolt Action Rifles be banned too?

KB

Sure they will if you let them. That gussied up 03 with a scope will fit their definition of a " sniper rifle" and away it will go. You all need to figure out your government
is like ours is composed of turds and vote them out...mb

If the Liberals stay in power bolts and levers will eventually be in play.

norm

Well, all I can say is that I am happy my hunting days are winding down. This country has become a chithole.

Really must suck to be a young person growing up in Canada now, more than ever before.

Canada is a Ruined Nation.

KB

As said above the Liberals want all the guns, just going to do it piece by piece.

It started in the '60s, when the two Kennedy brothers were shot and has increased ever since. TOTAL elimination of private firearms is the goal and, so far, we are LOSING! Trudeau 1-era immigration has been and is a major driver and "special" rights for aboriginals also is a major factor, often promoted by NDPers.

Freedom? What a pathetic joke......

Every firearm will be in play including the most basic single shot .22. Allan Rock, in the mid 1990's when he was Justice Minister, stated that the only people in Canada who should possess any firearms are the police and the military. And he does not mean they can keep their hunting/target or collector arms either, strictly duty weapons.
I am deeply concerned about the near future of gun ownership and hunting in Canada.
Jeff

I agree Jeff. They will ignore all the facts such as gang related homicides have increased 92% during Trudeau’s time in office, and that the liberals have reduced or removed mandatory minimum sentences for gun crimes because they were racist, and they will chip away at legal owners piece by piece.

There is one end goal, no guns. Then they will go after sport fishermen.

The laurentian elite what all outdoorsmen to just go away.

Even if this latest round does not affect an individual we must fight it for trust me “you” will be affected.

For all canucks who value your guns there is only vote in the next federal election and that is the Polievre conservatives. We need to be single issue voters and a vote for the PPC in a tightly contested riding could be a seat for the Liberals, NDP or Bloc.

First question Polievre will be asked when the next election is called will be “will you overturn Castreau’s gun bans”.

And his answer will be played 24/7 in the GTA, Montreal and Vancouver.

This was done for one reason and one reason only, to shore up Castreau’s flagging support in urban areas. Crime stats be damned.

A bit off topic but not really either. This criminal government is going after the entire outdoor community. After firearms, they will focus on knives and archers, Additionally sportfishing will come under more focused attack regards tackle and access. Yes, lead is bad for the environment but there are alternatives. Don't forget, lead is a naturally occurring substance. I also feel that simply going camping will be further restricted. RV's for example, yes there are vehicles which are capable of towing a trailer but, once at the chosen campsite, where are you going to plug in to recharge? How about off-grid camping? Gonna just plug into that Lodgepole Pine?
Simple tenting? Still need a vehicle to get to your campsite. Dang, where's that Lodgepole Pine I can plug into?
It is starting with our firearms but I see the end result being the demise of the outdoor lifestyle. I fear for my grandkids future. I fear for the future of conservation.
Yes, eventually everyone in Canada will be impacted by these actions. Total control of your every activity.
Jeff

I truly hope his answer is positive for us but not damaging to the campaign. It will require some very careful wording as you bet, the answer will be played over and over in those regions in an attempt to frighten folks who do not know anything about firearms other than the putrid BS they are fed by the social engineers.
I get how it works. Most of the folks fed this BS are totally unfamiliar with safe gun use. They see nothing but drive-by shootings, robberies, murders and beatings. Many of them have fled from violence ridden countries where the only guns were used to terrorize them. Move to a peaceful country like Canada in search of a life free of violence only to be victimized by street gangs and a daily force-feeding from the government of the same.
We as gun owners must find a way to get the truth out there. As well, the government must crack down on the smuggling and violence. It is complicated to be sure but, with a solid Conservative government in place, it can be done.
Jeff

That is exactly what will happen. Anyone who has thought the end game is anything except totally outlawing ALL firearms is beyond stupid or naive . Or both

I see it like this.....They are going after white Nationalist's (their words) who also happen to be predominantly Christian's. Trudeau said..."Evangelical Christians were the worst part of Canadian society"

In short, Trudeau hates Christians, the majority of gun owners are Christians, and there you have it, in my view, that is what it is all about. I have said before he would take all mention of God out of the Canadians lives, whether it be in the Constitution or in any language pertaining to legislation etc..

The part about "Canada was founded on acknowledging the supremacy of God" must really bother Trudeau, he will change the preamble to our Constitution, book it.

We need a program or campaign to educate those ignorant of current gun laws. I had discussions with a co worker starting about a year ago who was telling me he heard automatic machine gun fire in the distance in the woods near his home where there is a spot where locals have built an informal range and have shot their guns for years. He tells me AR type semi automatic machine guns need to be banned, nobody needs a machine gun to shoot a deer. When I told him machine guns have been banned for probably 90 years he said bullshit, I seen them guys more than once with their AR's out there. In his mind any black gun is a machine gun.

I educated him on the differences, still thought I was bs'ing him. Told him if it actually was a machine gun he was hearing that the new gun bans will not stop someone from using them. He says if they are banned how will they get them, I repeated that they are currently banned and have been and that if these 'guys' have machine guns they will not turn them in and these guns are coming into Canada illegally, just like drugs and every other thing that is illegally smuggled in or clandestinely manufactured for the black market. It will not stop with a ban but will only increase as that is what prohibition does with anything ever prohibited and always has. The rules only apply to honest people not criminals and gangs.

Anyway our discussions went on for a while and you could tell it made him mad but some of it was starting to sink in after many discussions. He's the typical uneducated left wing liberal fear mongered victim. We have had many discussions since and his attitude is changing and one day he said yah, the gun laws are a waste of time and money which could be better spent on cracking down on the illegal market and locking criminals up'.

Education is the key to beating this these felonious gun grabs by the left and we somehow have to open the eyes and crack the minds of the thoughtless who have had the wool pulled over their eyes and simply believe a gun ban will fix the problem.

I asked him what he thought about the local Canadian Tire putting hunting knives in a locked display cabinet. He thought it was probably a good idea, might keep some meth head from grabbing one and harming someone else. I then asked him what he thought about the kitchen and butcher knives in the kitchen ware section 2 isles over on open display that anyone could grab, even a 3 year old, he looked at me funny but you could see the light go on in his eyes. Told him it's kind of like guns, some are demonized and others are not, you could see the rusty seized cogs start to turn in his head, but they don't like to admit it.

The general public opposing guns need to be educated, a lot of people supporting or indifferent to the bans only do so because they've only heard one side of the story for decades. It has been ingrained in their minds without question. When they are exposed to a reasonable and undeniable view of the other side of the argument they are opposed to hearing it simply because people don't like being told they are wrong. Somehow we have to get through to these people, they aren't stupid but their ignorance is overwhelming. Writing letters to politicians is a waste of time, they are dedicated only to what gives them the most votes. We have to tap into the voter pool, educate, open their minds to the stupidity of these bans. Only then will the politicians pay attention.

"Men Liberals occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."

- Winston Churchill

I just sent this to all the AB senators. Doubt it'll have any effect, but it's worth the couple of minutes it took to write. Feel free to repurpose if you have a use for it.

"Dear Senator ______,

I am writing to you as a citizen of Canada and a resident of Alberta. Recently, it has been proposed that Bill C-21 include language which would legislate the banning of a large category of firearms from citizen ownership, including most semi-automatic firearms which are currently owned and used legally by millions of Canadians. The body of evidence, as well as law-enforcement expert opinion, both strongly suggest that such an action will not have a meaningful impact on violent crime in Canada, and what is worse, such an action reduces the ability of the citizenry of Canada to provide for itself and protect itself from criminal and tyrannical attacks. Canada was founded on the idea of a free, democratic society in which liberty and safety should be enjoyed by all law-abiding citizens. The bill in question would do little to nothing to ensure such safety, while substantially eroding the liberty of law-abiding Canadian citizens.

I strongly oppose Bill C-21 in its entirety, and urge you to do all within your power to prevent it from being enshrined in Canadian law."

Is your letter intended to influence the Senate to not pass C-21 in the Senate?

Ideally, but even if all it does is make one voter's voice heard, that's better than nothing.

I am also going to write a note to a Senator, good idea, because we know it will pass in the house.

Letter sent to a Senator Cousin, thanks for the idea.

Got this response back (bold font mine):

"Thank you for your email regarding Bill C-21. Your views on this matter have been noted, and we are tracking and reporting the trends on this issue to Senator Tannas.



Sincerely,

Correspondence Coordinator

Office of Senator Scott Tannas"

Seems like it's worth getting everybody you know to fire up an email and influence the trend.

I believe you guys are talking to and sending letters to a fence post. The dye is cast.

Jordan you are a young man, it will take your generation to change this. I feel badly for young people today, you will never experience the freedoms us older people did.

I admire your efforts and wish you best in your efforts, you have your work cut out for you!

ya'll need to never stop fighting for your rights .you are no diff. than us it is a shame that law abiden people are the ones that suffer from laws not the ones that don't

You guys are next 44mc. If liberals win in 2024, you are done.

KillerBee;
Good evening my friend, I hope that despite the morass we find ourselves in here you and yours are at least healthy.

I'm still digging through releases from the CCFR and Runkle of the Bailey to attempt to make heads or tails of this mess.

It might be of interest to note that specifically mentioned firearms on the ban list are Weatherby Mark V and Ruger No. 1 - with no specific conditions attached as to whether it's only the ones which can attain over 10,000 joules of energy or whatever magic number they've come up with or not.

There are 300 pages of firearms specifically named on the list and then a slough of "variants"..

When I said years back "they want them all" I was correct and honestly never in my life have I been so sorry to be.

Anyways, it's a mess and we'll figure out how the best way to fight for this to be overturned, but letters to MPs and Senators are a wonderful start, as are memberships and donations to your favorite firearm rights group.

All the best despite this mess once more.

Dwayne

Hi Dwayne, thanks for making me sick just before I was about to sit down and have diner! lol

WTF is 10,000 joules?

If I had the money I would have left Oh Canada a long time ago! Canada is a Ruined Nation!

Cheers ~ Darren

Hi Dwayne, had to look up 10,000 joules of energy

Definition:10,000 joules is roughly 7300ish foot pounds. To give you a comparison, rounds like the 5.56 and 7.62x39mm stick around the 1,500 and under foot pounds of energy zone.

KB

So they want to ban dangerous game cartridges too?

Good work.
I was thinking about this today....You never know when your letter, phone call, is going to wind up on someone's lap who has "the heart of a Lion" which is what it takes to win battles.

I will not comply anyways, what are they going to do, take my guns?

What are you going to do when they come to your home and ask to see your rifles?

What rifles?

I have to admit, Darren, we'd be a lot better off without our noble overlords to the east! Western separation is how we distance ourselves from the sickening corruption of the Laurentian elite.

Steve Redgwell is notably absent in this thread.
LOL

Well Jordan, like I said, it's up to your generation.

I have hunted my guts out for over 50+ years, had an absolute blast doing just that.

Here is a song that you and your friends will have to abide to, if you want to have fun. Turn it up LOUD!

This Lady has the heart of a Lion.

What are you going to do?

Hey guys,
Thanks very much for following my thread. This is a critical moment in our lives where we must fight for our rights and freedoms!!
I'll be heading to see Mr Glen Motz next week, or at least his staff in Medicine Hat. I'm proud to say he is one of the good guys and is my representative.
He has stood up time and again on our behalf wrt the attacks on our firearms. I urge everyone to write, email or call your representatives regardless of the political party they represent. The good folks need our thanks and encouragement for standing up to the Trudeau Regime.
If you are unfortunate enough to be repped by a Liberal or New Democrat, let them know your displeasure with the stance being taken against gun owners. Push them to direct the efforts towards fighting gangs and smuggling and the social evil that takes a hold of Canadian youth and turns them to gangs. We can all support that as the answer is in that effort.
We can turn things around and take back our Canada!
Jeff

That is exactly what Trudeau doesn't want, he wants more criminal and gang proliferation, hence the latest moves to lessen criminal sentences. He would like nothing more than a couple or three American style school shootings right now to help further his agenda. If he actually dealt with gangs and criminals he would have no reason to disarm the public. He cares not a whit about the public or its safety. What he wants is a disarmed helpless society because he fears future revolution against the gov't as he furthers his 'social' communist global agenda. The people who blindly support Trudeau and his NDP cohorts have no idea what is coming down the pipe as they worship this wolf in sheeps clothing in his attempts to help set the stage for future global dictatorship.

Best of luck to all you northern Montanans.
Keep up the good fight!

KB you are right if we lose in 2024 we are going down on a sinking ship

Exellent post by Troutfly and Bushrat^^^^

First, the ones involved in gun activity in BC are recent arrivals, look at Canada's top 25 most wanted, they are the ones Trudeau said not to worry about.

Second, as Troutfly points out to write letters, not only to the gun advocate MP's, but also to the NDP and Liberal MP's for the reasons he stated. As I said.....you never know when it winds up on someone's lap who has the "heart of a Lion". That person/s may have previously been on a different page than yourself, but now has a change of heart.... like an NDP MP who wants to jump ship, there was at least one Liberal that was very close recently.

Third, here is what the Liberal/NDP really do not want, the native Community at large to take a position against their globalist takeover, even though the leadership has been manipulated, the People haven't, they simply have no voice.

I am imploring you to write letters to your local/Federal Indian band governments, Metis Provincial representatives, the Dene Nation, and the Inuit governments in the North.
Some of us have friends involved in Native governance, ask them what they are doing if anything to oppose the Trudeau gun bans.

If they say nothing, then they need to know that their guns are going to if Trudeau is able to follow through. There is many differing personalities involved in Native governance, and I can assure you the "heart of a Lion" exists in that Community. The People may just go beyond what the sold out leadership won't.

Personally, I see a great opportunity here, remember this battle isn't over with one win, we need to win many battles.

lol, good eye Raferman hahaha

We need your generation helping, too. It’ll take all hands on deck!

673;
Good morning my friend, I hope the day's looking to at least have good weather for you all up there and you're all healthy.

Thanks for the idea of contacting the local FN bands, I believe I'll send an email to OIB and PIB to encourage them to take a stand on it as well. One never knows right?

I'll also contact my MP who is NDP so I'm not expecting much there, but at least he'll know what he's voted for - bless his heart....

All the best and good luck on the last bit of whitetail season.

Dwayne

Thank you.
All my letters also encourage the recipients to seek out Native Canada's participation, our MP's can do this on the leadership level that perhaps others cannot attain.

Jordan;
Good morning to you sir, I hope that despite our political climate you and your fine family are well.

For sure my friend, well said with the "all hands on deck" statement.

If we've ever enjoyed the outdoor activities whether hunting, shooting or fishing, we're under attack.

Speaking personally I believe I owe the next generation all of the time, energy and even financial wherewithal that I can possibly put towards fighting this. What was passed on to me from generations before is far to precious to me to do anything else.

Again hopefully this will wake up some of my fellow boomers who believed that this wouldn't affect them personally, even if it was laying waste to their kids' and grandkids' future.

One way or another, we'll tilt at this windmill together and see what becomes of it. It won't be the first old building I've piled up and lit a match to, so there is that..

All the best.

Dwayne

673;
Thanks for the reply sir.

I'm going to let them know that things like the Weatherby Mark V, Ruger No 1 and other non semi-auto firearms are being made into prohibs so they can at least be aware it might and likely will affect their band members.

We'll see where it gets us, but we're in this one together as firearm owners.

The FN folks might have an inherent right to trap, hunt and fish, but nowhere does it state they'll get to do the hunting with firearms....

All the best.

Dwayne

I think it’s time to stop focusing on the very acute issue in question, i.e., semi-auto ban, but to make sure people see the complete picture considering the preponderance of evidence.

- Trudeau has mentioned having a basic admiration for China’s dictatorship.
- Trudeau has mentioned that Canada is the first “post-national” state.
- The Liberals have mentioned an agenda against citizen-ownership of firearms in general.
- The globalist agenda is one of dictatorship by a One World Order.
- Armed citizens are much harder to control and dictate to without risk of violent rebellion.
- Every totalitarian regime of the past, that I am aware of, particularly those guilty of some form of mass genocide campaign, disarmed its citizens first.

Having a right to bear arms is necessary to avoid the eventual slide away from democracy and self-determination and into authoritarian dictatorship. If people value democracy and liberty, they must stand with us citizens in maintaining our God-given right to defend ourselves, our families, our lands, our properties, our beliefs, and our other rights.

I feel sick for you guys up there. 🤢

I feel sick for you guy's every time I see Biden sucking on his teeth while incoherently speaking.

We all have Lunatic Beta Males at the helm right now. But I guess Biden is tougher since he got Corn Pop to drop his straight razor by brandishing a chain! Biden was one tough dude back in the day!

Looks like you are heading down the same road, hopefully the election will not be as corrupt as the last one and a conservative will be back in power and hopefully not a RINO!

https://nypost.com/2022/11/24/biden-vows-to-push-ban-on-semiautomatic-guns/

You are 100% on the mark brother!

Jordan,
You, nailed it exactly. These are critical topics that must be included in our approach to our representatives and, in our discussions with family, friends and who ever else we can get to listen down at the coffee shop etc.
Jeff

I’ve emailed:

all Alberta senators requesting bill C-21 be returned to parliament for proper debate.

My MP and Pierre P asking them to pressure senators to return C-21 to parliament

My nearest conservative MLA (I live in an NDP riding😠☹️) thanking the Conservative government for challenging C-21 as aggressively as they have.

Getting returned to parliament will only be a delay as the NDP and the Bloc will fall in line with the liberals on this issue, but it’s all we’ve got at present.

I’m going to forward my emails onto my gun buddies and family to encourage them to cut and paste and create their own emails.

I will send hard copy letters as well to senators, my MP, Pierre P and that asshat Mendino.

I’m working with our Fish and Game Association to get them more aggressively active on this issue.

What else ca I do? Perhaps better stated what else can we do?

GRF;
Good afternoon my friend, I hope at least the weather is good for you folks out there on your side of the big hills.

Thanks sincerely for what you're doing, I appreciate your efforts as well as everyone else here who has been contacting politicians and groups on this issue.

As mentioned I'm a CCFR member so I know they're going to launch as much of push back as possible. The NFA might be too, not sure, but if one is a member of such groups or is inclined to support them that'd likely be appreciated.

Even though I'm in an NDP riding as well, I'm intending on contacting my MP to let them know that this isn't acceptable and he is going to be held accountable for his actions assisting the government to seize his neighbor's property. If nothing else, he'll know where a few of us stand.

Lastly I suppose sir, if one is inclined to do so, I've been praying for wisdom as to how to approach this, for God to change the hearts of those who are at the controls and then for peace to accept whatever it is God's will is for us.

If by some chance I get a further bolt of inspiration I'll definitely throw it out too, but for now that's where I'm at.

Thanks again everyone, while I'm deeply concerned about what's taking place, I do feel as if I'm at least in good company on this side.

All the best.

Dwayne

Hi GRF, can you PM me your email and I will send it out as well.

If I do nothing, I am simply not standing up for freedom, and that would not be acceptable to me.

Thank you ~ KB

Redgewell!!!!!!!!
Where you at my ninja?

For KB and others who are interested.



Dear Senator Tannas;

I am writing to you today as a Canadian citizen and a resident of Alberta to request that you and other members of the senate send Bill C-21 back to parliament for proper debate.

As I am sure you are aware this bill is cobbled together with various Orders In Council and amendments made to the bill after committee debate had closed. The amendments made after committee and the use of the Order In Councils have deprived myself and other Canadians of having our elected representatives being able to fully and completely debate this act in parliament, therefore depriving me and other Canadians of our right to be properly represented by our elected officials.

This bill is particularly onerous for many reasons, my two main concerns are:

-It is clearly directed at millions of Canadian firearms owners who have been tested, vetted, licensed and monitored by the RCMP and does nothing to address any of the real issues facing Canadians because of criminal gangs and their willingness to engage in violence using illegally acquired firearms, or the smuggling of those firearms into Canada.

-By including all of the previously “banned” firearms into the amendment it has the look of possibly evading the earlier promised “buy back”. This is particularly frightening as the only protection Canadians have from confiscation of privately held property without cause or compensation is legal precedent going back to the Magna Carta. There is no protection of property rights in our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. This bill involves confiscation without cause, possibly without compensation and at least without adequate compensation. Therefore it is a significant infringement upon the freedoms and property rights of millions of law abiding Canadians firearms owners and possibly a significant erosion of the property rights of all Canadians.

There are other aspects to C-21 which are problematic as well but I do not wish to waste your time with a dozen page dissection of the issues and concerns I have with this bill.


In short Bill C-21 is onerous, expensive, ineffective, unreasonable and worthy of return to parliament if for no other reason than the opportunity for proper debate.

Best regards.

GRF;
Top of the morning to you sir, I hope you're getting decent weather and are all well.

Thanks so much for the letter - as a former professional letter writer at work I do believe I'm qualified to say that's a very fine one indeed! Well done.

I shall be borrowing a couple points that you've made as it might hit home even with the NDP MP we're stuck with. Never know and can't hurt to try.

When I'm back down I'll check in later - we're off to attempt another walk for whitetail since we're down to 3 days left.

Best to you all and thanks again.

Dwayne

GRF, some exellent points.

GRF,

Nice work! I hope more people take a few minutes to send letters and emails to their senators and representatives.

100% Jordan! We ALL need to write letters and email. As well as join an firearms association

I’m meeting with our local fish and game association to try and get them to increase their effort.

Hi GRF,

Thank you for sharing you well written letter!

Like Dwayne, I am a professional writer as well. I will modify your template to express my point of view. I am not a gun collector; I only own a couple of firearms that I use to hunt with because I prefer Venison over Beef and Pig and I do enjoy everything about hunting, including Bow hunting.

Believe me when I say that there are a lot of things I would like to say here, but I honestly believe that we Canadians on this forum are being "Watched" and may suffer repercussions from letting people know our true thoughts, which in itself is a frightening prospect.

I will send my letter, but as I have said before I honestly believe Canada is already a "Ruined Nation", I think it is too late. I do not blame Trudeau for the position we are in today, many of his predecessors worked overtime to get us to this point. It is all so F'ing pathetic.

I never believed it would come to a point where standard hunting bolt action rifles would make it to a prohibited firearms list, but here we are.

Welcome to the New Communist Canada, controlled by Tyrants that want absolute control and conformity.

I am so happy I hunted my azz off all my life and that I am old. I feel sorry for young people.

KB

KillerBee;
Good afternoon once more Darren, me again and I still hope you're well.

With the greatest respect, I'm going to differ with your opinion that we're already ruined.

As mentioned I've been involved both at one time as a PAL/RPAL Instructor/Examiner and a current BC CORE Hunter Safety Course Instructor/Examiner.

I've been involved in the CORE program since '89 which was before we had or were even thinking about having children and honestly my primary motivator for becoming involved was that I felt I owed a debt to those who had provided me with these opportunities.

My late father used to tell me that up into the '60's in our part of Saskatchewan seeing a whitetail was uncommon and might make the local paper. The folks who came before us set up programs and seasons so we could have that hunting lifestyle.

Canada as we know it today might not continue on, but one way or another for the next shift of hunters like Jordan here and for his kids and for my kids, I am not going gently into anybody's night anytime soon Darren.

Not if I have anything to say about it and for the moment I still do.

This isn't good for sure, but like the convoy which landed in Ottawa, I think - no I know - there's a bunch of us who need to wake up and become involved in running our communities, provinces and country again.

It won't always be pleasant and it won't be free for sure, but then as we semi-geezer types well know, nothing worthwhile is ever free.

We'll see where this all ends, but from my perspective it's still early days and I'd like to believe "they" have no concept of the size of the bear they've poked.

All the best regardless sir.

Dwayne

I have written a number of letters so far 4-5 sentences each, directed at the recipient, I don't do generic emailing.

No fight is over until I/we decide it is over.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Dwayne, please do not use my real name, I have a chef's knife in my kitchen, and it is very sharp, they may ban that next!

Thank you for showing me how to access Podcasts, I really want to watch Joe Rogan's pod cast. Did you see the giant elk he killed with his bow? Nothing beats hunting Elk with a bow IMO

Thanks again buddy, have a great evening ~ KB

Hey Darren,
There is no doubt that we are being watched. I am certain that I am. I have written position papers on behalf of the Outdoor Writers of Canada where I sit as the President. I have fought several bills now from that position. As well, I write letters/emails on my own behalf in defense of firearms owners etc.

GRF's letter is a great template we should all modify for personal use. A job well done Sir!
Jeff

Hey Jeff, since you are an Outdoor writer do you know George Gruenfeld?

Here is a picture of him goose hunting with my father. Top picture.

Cheers ~ KB

Hi Dwayne,
Very well said my friend. I am fighting this and the previous firearm issues only partially on my behalf, much more of my intense fighting is so my kids and my grandkids of whom I have 5. One of them is just 6 today so there are many years of gun ownership and hunting ahead for my family!
I have seen an article this evening where Mendicino is accusing the Conservatives of fear mongering, that they have no intention of banning hunting arms. Yet, we have all seen the document where they list hunting arm after hunting arm, some of the most commonly used hunting arms in Canada. Seems they now backtracking or still spinning the party line. Scum.
Have a great evening,
Jeff

Hi Darren,
I do know George. I have written quite a few articles for him before he retired. Great guy to write for and to know. I'm envious, would love to hunt/fish with him.
Maybe one day...
Have a great evening,
Jeff

Hi Dwayne, it's me again too lol, I am fond of our online relationship we have developed a nice friendship and I have ZREO issues with you, as I am enjoying our friendship. We do share many commonalities and beliefs. If you recall you were the first person, I communicated with on 24 Hour Campfire.

Honestly, I hope you are correct, and that my analysis is wrong. Nothing would make me happier!

But you see my friend I have a different perspective, I was unfortunate enough to grow up in Quebec, and watched the politicians usher in the "English Language Police" have you ever heard of that?



KB

Curious.....Why are some of yous guys concerned about being monitored?
Near as I can tell, nobody has said anything that could be even twisted to express a bad intent on any level.

The reason why "nobody has said anything that could be even twisted to express a bad intent on any level.

Is because we all know we are being watched, sad but true!

Look at Canada today and you see the USA in a generation.
The same BS that has destroyed Canada is being fed to anyone anywhere in the US education system.
The goal is the same as in every country that is not a dictatorship.
Become one.
We already have a dictatorship of the elites.
It will progress to single dictator.
That is the NORMAL means of governing mankind.
Most of the world is run that way, we will not escape.

Covid was a Blessing in disguise for you guys in the USA. You had the opportunity to see what those communist teachers were teaching your children by seeing it on their computer screens while they were learning remotely at home.

It has been impressive to see parents standing up to this sick indoctrination program. Terry McAuliffe lost his bid to Glenn Youngkin in part because Youngkin promised to get rid of CRT in Virginia.

The biggest test will be the 2024 Presidential election, if a Republican wins, the ship can be turned around from its voyage into oblivion.

My prayers are with my American friends, and I hope you get to preserve your way of life, it's very important that you do because the free world is counting on exactly that!

Cheers ~ KB

For you Westerners, and I am proud to call myself one, this is what "The English Language Police" do in Frogland.

If you post any sign in Quebec in English, you get a fine up to $10,000.00. You can post any sign in any other language without being fined. When that law was instituted, it reminded me of NAZI Germany.

That is when I realized Canada was a "Ruined Nation" The law is still in effect.

https://www.westernstandard.news/ne...43c5c90-3cbe-5223-a9b1-d346f9fd43ff.html

The only thing these Liberal British turds understand is getting their butt’s kicked by armed citizens. What’s the holdup?

Just thought I would leave this here.

https://tnc.news/2022/11/29/poilievre-firearm-amendments1/

Good news for us Saskatchewanites
https://leaderpost.com/news/saskatc...658e5a3-acd7-473f-8665-c7c7a6073d2b/amp/

It is refreshing to see these gov. supports coming out. We really need an election which installs a majority Conservative gov before this disaster goes further.
I hope that Alberta comes out with something similar to Sask. announcement.
I sure as heck don't recognize the country I served anymore.
Jeff

The western half is still recognizable.

Only if you do not walk into a Tim Hortons or a 7-11. lol

It's not identical to its former self, but at least it still bears semblance. Despite Ottawa's best efforts.

Pretty sure "some of us" are going to come out of this battle ok, but we are going to have to fight the long game, but we already know that.

A short time ago I pointed out....it looks like we could be entering a "Constitutional issue" as an example of this........Alberta's "sovereignty act" all they really did is what Quebec has been doing all along. I see BC moving forward with their Communist agenda, totally, now after a short time with our new leader LOL, what a pos Commie he is.

I think this is going to be a Provincial responsibility at the end of the day, but a real concern is if "we" have been maneuvered into opening up the Constitution for debate and reform, that would be concerning with someone like Trudeau steering this ship.

673;
Good morning my friend, I'm seeing you're all at least as chilly as we are this morning if not a bit more, so hopefully this finds you warm, well and dry.

Well said that we're in for a long struggle here. I've been contending with the gun grabbers here since the mid '80's so I'm good to keep on keepin' on for awhile yet. I mean the Good Lord willin' and the creek don't rise and all.

Our new BC Premier David Eby is exactly what I thought he'd be since he was after all way up in the BCCLA and worked with those less fortunate on East Hastings and all that. At least he's predictable, you know?

When the new mayor was elected in Surrey she put the brakes on them changing out the RCMP for a city police service and that's a pity in my view, but it's not insurmountable either.

If I was to lay money on it, I'd say that Alberta will be resurrecting the Alberta Provincial Police again and it'll be sooner than later. Expect Saskatchewan to follow suit.

I'll note that in Saskatchewan the NDP opposition have seen the writing on the wall, read the tea leaves and went outside to sniff the wind... they're in full support of Scott Moe's efforts to put a stick into Ottawa's bicycle spokes on this one. Danielle Smith mentioned that in a Q&A the other day and fired a couple shots across Rachel Notley's NDP while mentioning that tidbit about the Saskabush NDP.

You and I are old enough to remember some of the monkey dancing going on when the BNA Act came here and we got the "kinda/sorta when we feel like it" Canadian Bill of Rights. The past couple of years has hopefully shown enough of the younger folks what an apparently toothless and arguably useless document it is in current form.

There are still, I will note, way WAY too many boomers my age who listen only to CBC and Global and are convinced that PM Sock Boy is doing everything right because they're convinced that if some way and some how we in Canada could reduce our 1% of total global emissions then the sun would be sunnier once more.

I'm actually getting better results reasoning with 20-40 year old folks than boomers. My goodness I do not believe history is going to judge my generation favorably.....

There's some other things I'm working on as well as the paper letters now. I like the idea of piling up paper on their desks actually quite a bit - it is Christmas and I'm feeling the spirit of giving.

It's not over yet, that's sure and at least those who are interested know which side the players are on now and what the stakes in the game are.

Lots of effort and lots of prayer for sure.

All the best to you all as we head into the Christmas season my friend.

Dwayne

673;
Good afternoon my friend, I still hope you're having a good day - the political situation notwithstanding of course.

I thought you might enjoy this.

Not only does she have the heart of a lion - she's a hunter too.



If you've not caught Andrew Lawton's interview with Pierre Poilievre, it's 20 minutes well spent too.

All the best.

Dwayne

Hi Jordan,

Out of curiosity are you holding a small wolverine in your Avatar?

Essentially what I predicted would happen. Poilievre comes out against C-21, Trudeau will make it an election issue.

Look for a spring election. People are still pissed about the Covid election, but perhaps Sparklesocks thinks this will give him a nudge ahead, along with Oscar-worthy performance at the Truckers inquiry. He knows he's on borrowed time.

Dwayne, I could look at Raquel Dancho all day and never get bored LOL.
Thanks for posting that.

673;
Good afternoon once more my friend, you are of course most welcome.

I believe we've talked about this, but I am biased towards smart ladies from Manitoba as I managed to talk one into marrying me 40 years back.

There are, so I believe, some times and places where women can be more effective than men in certain roles, as it's harder for those opposing them to pigeon hole them with stereotyping.

For instance when I show up with my cowboy boots and big mustache, it's easy to say "well you're just an old redneck" and they're not entirely wrong, but it's tougher to call Ms. Dancho a redneck hunter because she doesn't fit the narrative the left wants to paint here.

We used to use a labor lawyer from up in Vernon who was a very pleasant looking younger lady externally, with the heart of a lion or maybe something far colder...

After we got out of the first hearing with her as our lawyer, I turned to the then General Manager and said, "If I ever have to face her in a hearing I quit...".

Anyways I'm glad she's appears to be on the same side in this struggle. She gives me some hope in the next shift having some worthy members as well you know?

Do watch Andrew Lawton's video if you have 23 minutes sometime too. It was a really good exchange I thought.



Best to you all.

Dwayne

Hi Dwayne, I hope you and your beautiful family are doing well and maybe even still hunting?

My only concern is, I wonder when they will start the confiscating Fishing Rods!

Canada is a "Ruined Nation"

:o(

KillerBee;
Good almost evening to you my friend, I see you all are just a smidge colder than us today, so I hope the fire's lit on your side of the big hills already tonight.

We're all well here thanks, though for sure the pre-Christmas rush has begun to take hold as we're planning for getting a few families together from various parts of the province for the season and at least one big feast.

The rifle season for deer is done now and I've not picked up a bow in years so for sure as you well know, it's not kosher to hunt with them without some serious range time.

That's sort of okay too really as we do have a generous season so I've been pounding it hard enough for the past 3 months that I should qualify for a Thank You card again from the local Esso after all the diesel we bought...

Regarding fishing, it'll be soon time to drill holes in the frozen water and sit in a tent staring down a hole too, so I truly hope they don't start confiscating rods for sure.

Again my friend, I'll gently differ with you that we're already ruined, though I do sense we're quite possibly in a transition state that will end up looking different than what we've grown up with.

My goal and intention is to work towards it being a better version for sure though KillerBee - that or die trying for sure.

All the best to you all as we head into the Christmas Season.

Dwayne

Hi Dwayne,

By nature, I am a very optimistic man. I know this to be true because I fish for sturgeon in Alberta which requires a lot of patients and optimism hehe.

Would you mind if I ask you 1 intellectual and serious question, and before I ask my question, could you please confirm that Quebec is a Province in Canada.

Cheers ~KB

Indeed! I spent some time guiding caribou hunters in the NWT, and once filling both bull tags they often wanted to go after wolf, wolverine, ptarmigan, or lake trout/pike/grayling. One hunter shot the wolverine in my avatar, and I had the pleasure (or not?) of skinning it out.

KillerBee;
Good evening my friend, I'm just checking in as I put on the night log and head off to bed.

While I will do my level best to answer any question you might have, please know you're asking it of a fellow who couldn't make it farming and spent my working life in the blue collar world with the occasional weekend chasing cows on the back of a decent cowhorse.

As far as I'm aware Quebec is a province in Canada which actually has or at one time had more hunters per capita than any other province. Since I've never been there - though our eldest and her husband have a couple times - I am not qualified to answer much about it other than they were granted special status by the British to keep their religion and legal system in exchange for not joining the Americans in their American Revolution.

That special status has continued more or less to this day, though it might be more in them practicing it than it being entrenched in any documents, that I can't say.

I'll check in once I get the morning fire going and the coffee on tomorrow sir.

All the best to you all until then. I bid you good night - rest well.

Dwayne

Top of the morning to you Dwayne, yet another day granted to us by the almighty, AMEN! :o) I appreciate your response and will share this view with you.

As you have noticed I do not say that much in these threads and keep my comments brief. If I wanted to, I could write three screens full here as to why I believe Canada is a "Ruined Nation", but I will not, I do not need to be put on any "Government List".

Fortunately for you, you were born and raised in Western Canada, I was not as fortunate. I was born and raised in Quebec. You have no idea how much that sucked! People that were fortunate enough to be born in the West do not realize just how bad it is in Quebec and Westerners never had to suffer the way English people did when I grew up there. By the way the legal system (code) they follow in Quebec is the Code Napoléon (Napoleonic Code) and they are the only Province in Canada that follows that code, and they are unfortunately very much part of Canada.

Earlier in this thread I brought up the “English Language Police” that exist in Quebec. They monitor businesses to ensure that the English Language is not visible on any storefront signage. Companies that do not add translations to their signs could face fines up to $25,000 and twice as much for repeat offenders. You can even go to jail and beaten up if you resist!

This approach has in my opinion eliminated “Freedom of Speech” in Quebec and therefore since they are part of Canada, I say that this Nazi like approach has in part ruined our Country. I can site many other aspects of how Canada has become a “Ruined Nation” but will only add the discriminating and radical government stance against firearm owners.

Because of what I went through and witnessed growing up, I have come to my conclusion which will never change, if you were subjected to the same situation I was, maybe you would better understand my point of view.

Again, I will say that I am very happy that I am not a young person that wants to hunt as a lifestyle choice. This fight is the next generations fight, and if they do not do their best to change the political landscape, they will eventually lose the right to hunt, by the way things are heading.

I wish them the best, the problem as I see it, is there may not be enough of these next generation hunters to make the difference. I guess we will see.

Anyway, I hope you have a fantastic weekend in beautiful BC!

Cheers ~ KB

That punk Redgewell still hasn't chimed in?
LOL

Killerbee, you sound like you have given up, and you want to hand the battle over to our youth.
Having been in more than a few battles myself, identifying those who you want to go into battle with is an easy one.
Why post in this thread if you are defeated already?

Defeated?

I really do not believe it is in my interests to participate in this fight. Like I said I am older, have hunted and fished in more places than most people I know. My hunting career is winding down, and I do not have any children, so I have no stake in this game.

If I had children, I would definitely do my best to fight this BS, not for myself, but for my children. Unfortunately, my son passed away tragically when he was 24.

For those of you that have children, I would fight this tooth and nail!

I will vote for the party that promises not to enact this law, that's for sure!

KillerBee;
Top of the morning back at you my friend, it does appear for all intents and purposes we're both still on this side of the grass - albeit it's covered with a bunch of snow here.

Thanks for sharing that with us as I'm sure I'm not alone in not really being able to wrap my head around what it was like to live in Quebec during those times or frankly any time.

Our experience out west could almost be summed up in two sound bites from PM Shiny Pony's father Pierre Elliot, when he gave the crowds in Salmon Arm the finger and when he told prairie grain farmers we could "sell our own damn wheat" when we were protesting the quota system and Canadian Wheat Board which was only dissolved in 2015.

Farmers were arrested and jailed when they tried to circumvent the Canadian Wheat Board too KillerBee, so no actually we couldn't sell our own damn wheat.

It's amazing to me that whatever bad fruit comes from that particular tree, it doesn't fall far from it and it's consistent in it's ability to not tell the truth to Canadians. Yah, they're consistent, I'll give them that.

Honestly we've met a pile of wonderful folks from all across Canada and when I speak of a restructuring or even Western Canadian separation which I was an avid supporter of back when, it's not the individuals from the east whom I am even one bit disgruntled with.

As far as the next batch of hunters, for sure there's a strong push to curtail and possibly eliminate them, but having been a BC Hunter Safety instructor/examiner has given me a pretty good look at the ebb and flow of who is joining us, at least locally. I used to do RPAL too, but haven't been active in the federal program for a couple decades now.

Anyways KillerBee, one year in our class was a young fellow with multiple tatoos, bearing races in his ears and a few other attachments that would have meant a hand search when flying...

One of the first things I do to start off the class is ask who has been hunting, who hasn't etc. and then attached to that if they care to share, why it is they're interested in coming over to the participant side of the food chain.

When it came to the young fellow, he said more or less, "A couple years ago I became involved in the locavore food movement which is sourcing your food as locally and organically as possible. One day it hit me that you old hunter dudes have been doing that your whole lives - so here I am man!"

He was a keen student and an absolutely wonderful addition to our class, needless to say he passed with flying colors and hopefully is hunting today.

Like our country, our hunting and shooting community is changing for sure. Again, I'm going to do my best to protect and preserve it for the next shift or die trying.

Thanks for your candor by the way, I enjoy the back and forth a lot.

All the best and keep the fire well stocked today my friend.

Dwayne

673;
Morning my friend, I see your light is on so you made it through the night as well I see. Good stuff.

It's not windy here at least and has "warmed up" to -8°. We were in shirt sleeves last year this time, remember? Weird.

Anyways for those of us who are writing paper letters, here's a link that Wolverine Supplies has of the swing ridings where the MPs just got in by the skin of their socialist teeth and yah, I'm in Richard Cannings district so he's getting a letter from me regardless.

Nonetheless I think the good folks in Virden, MB are correct in that we should inundate the swing ridings and let them know we're here and we care....

https://wolverinesupplies.com/bill-c-21

Oh, I saw this morning in my feed that a lady Liberal MP from Quebec stood up and spoke against the bill as did Charlie Angus. That doesn't mean they didn't vote for it and Charlie Angus is another swing riding too, so he might have had to hire extra mail readers all ready too, let's hope.

We're off to hit Can Tire in the big town as the kids' Forester needs a new battery this morning and if I spend $200 there they say I get $40 of Can Tire points...whoo hoo!

All the best and we'll be in touch.

Dwayne

Sorry about your Son, I have two of them, but it isn't about them, or at least not in the way some may think. It is about "traditional Canadian values" and whether we keep or allow them to be trampled by what is best described as.....foreign influence.

I also think....I don't believe in elders, however, I believe in old people, and old people have a responsibility to the youth in the form of guidance in all aspects of our society. In my view, it is also the responsibility of old people to offer guidance to new comers to Canada as to what we expect them to "respect" as our "traditional Canadian values".

I could tell you have no stake in the game, hit the showers then.

673:
Morning sir, me again and I still hope you're all well up north.

"I also think....I don't believe in elders, however, I believe in old people, and old people have a responsibility to the youth in the form of guidance in all aspects of our society. In my view, it is also the responsibility of old people to offer guidance to new comers to Canada as to what we expect them to "respect" as our "traditional Canadian values"."

We'll have to chat about the elders vs old people thing next time we chat on the phone - remind me okay? I'm interested in learning on that subject as it's something I'm starting to dig into more and more. Which cultures used folks my age for what and all that - you know me, it's another rabbit hole.

I wholeheartedly agree with that thought though and might I say sir, well stated indeed.

Anyways 673, in the spirit of giving praise when it's due - a tip of the battered Bailey to you my friend and sincere kudos.

Dwayne

Fair enough 673,

What does "hit the showers" mean???

So please tell all of us here in detail how you are going to fight Amendment C-21?

I would be very interested in hearing your plan of action.

The plan, thus far has been layed out a number of times in this thread.
As things develop, other "avenue's of approach" will present themselves to those in the fight, but you gotta "anti up" to get in the game.

You don't have to participate, let others do it, simple.

Well I am going to vote, that is basically what I am going to do.

If you are referring to the letter suggested here, that sounded like a good idea, I may do that.

Are you going to write a letter?
Are you going to run for office?
Are you going to work with your representative in your district and go door knocking on hundreds of doors to educate people?
Are you going to go to Ottawa and protest?

I don't need to go to Ottawa.
I don't need to knock on doors.
I am not running for office.
Do you think these are requirements to oppose Bill C-21?

I have written letters, a number of them actually, to a diverse group of recipients, and will continue to do so. Its not the amount of letters, its where they are going is of more value imo.

I try to reach to other cultural groups in Canada that are often clueless as to what traditional Canadian values are.

I have also, like others contributed $$$ to the CCFR, joined the Conservative party, and continue to encourage others to not give up. As stated, other avenues of approach will reveal themselves.

I applaud your efforts!

Thanks Killerbee.
As you stated earlier on a different subject,, you don't need a pat on the back. I don't either, but there are those that do deserve a pat on the back, which is my point.

We should acknowledge and encourage MP's, MLA's, Senator's to continue voicing for us when we can't.

Then....I am hopeful that some Liberals and NDP MP's, MLA's and back bencher's will voice their opposition or cross the floor entirely.

I personally think this could be a Colossal mistake for the Liberals and NDP and friends.

If we fail then it will be time to support the separation of Canada, which I don't want, but it wouldn't be the first time in Canada it has been a logical step in the right direction when faced with a Tyrannical government.

Hi 673,

I for one am all for Western Separation and if there was a vote for that I would vote for it. Here is a funny story for you.

The week I left Quebec there was a vote that week for Quebec to separate from Canada. So, the last thing I did when I left for Western Canada, I voted for separation from Canada. I was hoping to get them out of Canada!

My vote was foiled again, and the majority voted to stay in Canada. We don't need any dummies telling us what to do in Alberta or BC for that matter!

Remember this guy, I will give you a hint: "Dah Peopoles fron dah Countreeeee du Wesssturn Canaddahh"

I can't for the life of me understand why you Westerners keep on voting in French Prime Ministers. Over the years I have learned to grin and bear it!

Guys, thanks for keeping the thread alive as we move forward. There have been some great points made.
I keep fighting these tyrannical acts against firearms ownership because it is the right thing to do in order to keep our culture alive and growing. Regardless if you hunt, target shoot casually or are involved in one of the many shooting sports at any level, are collector or simply one who hunts, these are all legitimate reasons to own and use firearms. Even for defense of oneself and loved ones or in the unlikely event that a foreign entity was to invade Canada, ordinary citizens who abide by the law, should not be deprived of the opportunity to own firearms.
I do it for myself, my children and my grandchildren. I also do it for ordinary citizens regardless of if I know them or not. It is a part of our heritage and must not be allowed to be destroyed.
I believe we are seeing some momentum, let's keep it going!
Jeff

+1

where's them proud Canadians at?... hope the guys in the US are paying attention to this you have to rid your country of liberal pieces of [bleep]

Hopefully the pressure keeps increasing. Even the CBC is now picking up on the serious flaws.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bill-c21-sporting-guns-1.6673730

Frog licker Stevie still hiding?

That's the first time in a long while that I've been impressed by a CBC article.

QDM for Prime Minister 😁

The handgun ban was an overreach in itself.

I, and others would like to know when sportsmen get our side represented with equal time for all, by the media who we actually fund?

The fact that the government funds the CBC and is completely one sided is beyond bizarre, the CBC offering beads and trinkets isn't good enough and have already done enough damage to our traditional Canadian values.

Paul Chiang is the MP from Ontario who put this extra shyte into Bill C-21 in the most dishonorable way, write a letter to him, I did.
Is he a member of the WEF?
Is he a member of the United front? somebody should check into it.

I completely agree.

CBC should be labeled "state affiliated media" says Musk...well ya.
https://mailchi.mp/3829bdedfc47/musk-considers-labeling-cbc-as-state-media-on-twitter?e=022c9270a3

Hi 673, I hope you are enjoying your beautiful moose meat!

CBC should be labeled "state affiliated media"

I figured that out 20 years ago, what took you so long? lol

KB

All the bans, regardless of action type or appearance must be fought. Every one of them is an over-reach. Spend these billions securing our border against smuggling of guns, weapons, drugs and people, the gangbangers who shoot up streets etc., everyone of us can get behind these initiatives. Targeting legal firearms and their owners plus the industry that manufactures and sells them, the hunting/outfitting industry is such a mis-use of funds.
Jeff

Yup, but it's not really about the money. It's about individual rights and the power struggle in the relationship between citizens and their government.

Don't get me wrong, it most definitely is about our rights and freedoms and a balance between the individual and the govt as Canadians. I just use the money angle in addition to rights and freedom as a way to help non-gunners see the benefit of supporting us in the fight. When I'm discussing the issue with them, I stress all those points. It helps tie it all together for many of them.
Jeff

I was out this evening and I asked 3 other hunters/shooters/sportsmen if they wrote any letters to any MP's etc...2 said no, one said yes...he is 14 years old, that says alot about him. The others will also contribute now that they have had it explained as to what they can do.

Also, I heard Trudeau trying to walk back some of the legislation, saying they were listening to the hunting community.
BS.
I think he has overreached so he can retreat slightly making himself and friends look like they are accommodating the hunting/sporting community, also....he may have learned that things aren't going to be so easy when he found out the Provinces don't have to follow along if they don't want to.

No quarter should be given and we need to put our foot on their throat and put them down for good, that includes their minions over at the CBC.

This is a real doozy LOL.

673;
Morning my friend, I hope you're all keeping warm enough and are well.

Thanks for continuing on with attempting to educate our fellow firearm owners and encouraging them to get involved. It's a start right?

I've taken to heart the CCFR's initiative to both email and write letters. I've sent them to the BC swing ridings with NDP MPs in them, just so they get a little extra amount of mail on their desks.

Last week or yesterday, forget which now, I did get a reply from my local NDP MP saying they were not supporting the amendments, which is positive, but he gets a letter anyways and we'll see if they follow through or not.

This morning I heard that possibly Yves Blanchet from the BQ is changing his tune so maybe Carey Price's twitter post is reaping some fruit?

I will say that I watched a debate on CPAC YouTube this morning with Rachel Bendayan from the Libs blatantly ignoring the listed firearms on the amendment. It's telling how they continue to look straight into the camera and not tell anything resembling the truth..



Again Raquel Dancho does great work on our behalf and the NDP guy is against the amendments but still thinks that all handguns and "weapons of war" need to be off the streets. They're consistent anyways 673, gotta give them that I suppose.

Lastly I've put up a bit of a post on my FacePlant page which admittedly is not a huge group, but as you mentioned, we just need to find a couple folks with hearts full of courage right?

That's all I know for now my friend.

All the best and we'll be in touch - the Good Lord willing - of course.

Dwayne

In our region, any provincial or federal politician that would support this legislation would be tossed in short order.
This is another example of the widening divide between urban and rural belief systems.
Urbanites, are struck with a different hammer, they are generally secular, woke( with all this includes) and angry.
Young folks are swept up in the perceived injustice of it all.
The way I view this, is they are opposed to everything I choose to do, hunting, an intrest in firearms, my faith, rodeo....and the lists goes on.
God help us...and God bless you folks.
BTW, I am a letter writer

I saw the response from the Montreal Canadians on Carey's tweets LOL
Then the hockey game last night...4-0 Montreal end of 1st...Vancouver wins 6-5... LMAO

Is there anything we can do to help Quebec leave this union? I am willing to help.

They are still clinging to a shooting 33 years ago. I also read the shooter Mark Lepine was born
Gamil Gharbi....a Muslim, why am I not shocked.

Funny you say this, I said exactly that to my son as our family pioneered the east koots and used that as an analogy...and I agree totally with you.

comerade;
Good morning to you my old cyber friend, thanks for the reply.

If you're a letter writer and thank you from the bottom of my hard little redneck heart for being that sir, might I suggest the list of swing riding MPs from the NDP which might need the most prodding?

This should take us there I think comerade?

https://wolverinesupplies.com/bill-c-21

We happen to be in Richard Canning's riding who is on that list and he got a slightly expanded one from me, but basically I've suggested that I'm not the problem and if they're cool with punishing folks who've worked their entire lives to better the community and environment... well that might not be the world they want to make is all.

They might, I'd opine to you here, not like living in that world much either, you know? I know I'm not anxious to go there myself, but if they keep insisting, someone is going to ask them to step out and then all bets are off.

Anyways sir, thanks for taking some action, please encourage others to do so as well and finally all the best to you all.

Dwayne

Can you verify Lepine's ethnicy?
Yeah, Carey, is a hunter , shooter( firearms) and these days a team roper. His influence is greatly needed.
Obviously, a good Rural Western Canadian.

Thanks Dwayne, I will follow up on this...Merry Christmas

673;
Morning again my friend.

Indeed besides being apparently bat crap crazy, Marc Lepine was raised in an environment which led him to pretty much hate all women.

We don't talk about that in the same way we don't talk about how some lunatic from Nova Scotia flew under the RCMP radar so successfully for so long.

While I'm not quite ready to say these were planned out by the legacy media and leftist governments, they're surely choosing very, VERY carefully how the information about them is being brought forth, no?

If that makes me a conspiracy whatever, I'll again say that I'm profoundly sad to have been correct so often thus far...

All the best again.

Dwayne

Here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine

Maybe this one works
https://gatesofvienna.net/2014/09/who-was-marc-lepine/

Why is it so many shootings are carried out by Muslims?...more puzzling, why are they covered up by the media?....not puzzled anymore.

Cracks in the Liberal caucus, it was expected. I expect similar with the NDP.
The only thing they will understand at this point is they will lose their jobs in some area's of the Country.
Continue to voice your opposition and support where needed.

https://calgarysun.com/news/liberal-mp-criticizes-gun-bill

673;
Good evening my friend, I trust the day was kind to you and you're all well.

This summer when we did a road trip up to Dawson City and caught up a bit with a life long friend in Whitehorse, he mentioned some of the anomalies of the Yukon, such as the highest percentage of firearm owners in Canada but they tend to vote left for the most part, either NDP or Liberal.

His take was that there are so many people involved in the different levels of government there in Whitehorse that it sways the votes left.

I'm not sure exactly, but I'm guessing the constituents maybe were letting the Yukon MP know how they felt? Let's hope so.

All the best to you all this evening.

Dwayne

There is not a peaceful solution to gun grabbers.

Still no Redgwell.

Fireball2:
Good evening to you my cyber friend, I hope your part of Oregon is getting decent weather and you're all healthy tonight.

Hopefully it goes without saying that it's my hope and prayer that we're able to negotiate and vote our way out of this, but of course as with all things in life, only time itself will tell.

There is change afoot here on our side of the medicine line, with the 3 prairie provinces flat out refusing to spend "one penny" to fund policing for the feds initiative. That puts them in a bind in more than one way.

Saskatchewan also just passed or is in process of passing laws which will require the feds to jump through a bunch of flaming hoops even if they want to fund the police to do it.

One aspect of Canadian law is that there's a stronger federal power structure for sure, but perhaps their options to get things done are more limited than on the other side of the medicine line if the provinces are disinclined to acquiesce to the feds request.

We do have the RCMP which are a federal police force, but they're hired - thus paid - by all four western provinces to do provincial policing as well. So there's no "extra" constables in a drawer somewhere in Ottawa that could be pulled out to go enforce their wishes.

I will say too that because we've let Quebec vote to stay in confederation or leave, the other provinces appear to also have that right. That might be just dawning on some of the Laurentian elite who've held the power here for most of Canada's history and I suspect it's unsettling them to say the least.

Speaking personally I've been involved in attempting to push back on what I believed were unfair firearm laws for 41 years now and have no inclination to cease and desist now. As I mentioned in another post, I've no intention to go gently into anyone's good night thanks, it's just not how many of us were built or raised either.

Anyways as always I'll say that I believe a sovereign God is absolutely still in control, so my prayer and the prayer I ask for is for wisdom to know what our task as servants truly is.

We're praying for you good folks south of us too of course, if nothing else selfishly because we tend to follow trends begun down there.

All the best to you all this Christmas Season.

Dwayne

Thank you Dwayne. Interesting explanation and I wish you all the best as well.

Thanks Dwayne for all of this!

I'll be 87 come Dec 29, and have hoped in the Sovereign God for most of those years - because of Christ Jesus. And, I've been a hunter of sorts for about 70 of 'em. Also a pastor/missionary for 65 of those years. I officially retired two years ago, Jan 1, at age 85.

That was just to introduce myself. My wife and partner is 86 and still quite active. She still teaches a ladies Bible class and drives her own car! We have four of our own, plus 13 grandkids and a dozen or more great-grandkids!

We lived and worked in Quebec (Montreal area) for a couple decades in the Master's business, became fluent in French, trained a young French Canadian pastor to replace us and did a LOT of bible-conference ministry there in both French and English, so have a pretty good handle on the political scene - during the FLQ crisis, etc. We learned to understand, appreciate and love the Quebecers. That's not to say we "love" some of their leaders and current politics out of Ottawa!

Just for interest sake: Our youngest son (Peter) has been a Bible College professor in Saskatchewan, and now in BC for the past 7 years (I think). And two older sons have been missionaries in Africa (both are hunters btw). The oldest became a resident BG hunter in Senegal, and shared a hunt with me when I visited them. All are now living in Ontario and New Brunswick.

All that just to introduce myself for future reference.

Thanks again brother for your comments re the current crisis over the "gun file" that takes God's sovereignty into account.

God bless...

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Sounds more and more like we are going to dodge Trudeau's neurotic Soy Boy bill bullet!

KB

KillerBee;
Good morning my northern friend, I hope that the day is a bit brighter on your side of the big hills than it seems to be inclined to be here and that you're all well.

Regarding PM Shiny Pony changing anything at all at this juncture, as always we'll see when the smoke clears and it leaves me with a bunch of unanswered questions and conclusions.

In his excellent breakdown on the nearly 400 pages of amendments your fellow citizen Ian Runkle opined that it wasn't an accident. Murray Smith said as much in committee and Mr. Smith goes way, WAY back as a thorn in the side of anyone and everyone in the Canadian firearms community. I know several of us breathed a sigh when he announced his retirement. I'll refrain from going so far as to wishing ill on anyone KillerBee, but Mr. Smith was playing for an entirely different team shall we say.....

So then why did PM Socks' minions tip their hand and show everyone that yes indeed, they really don't want us to have any firearms whatsoever?

Ian's opinion was that it was possibly a desperate diversionary tactic as they come under fire for mishandling and lying about the Emergencies Act, ArriveCan, CERB payments, you know those little budgetary items.

Maybe he's right? I can't say.

Did they want to shake the tree hard enough to see who will send them emails and write letters? That absolutely would remove all doubt as to who to target with the next phase would it not? That could be handy.....

Are they banking on the average Canadian having an attention span only slightly longer than a squirrel after two cups of espresso?

Perhaps that's the case. We do seem to be more interested in who lost the NHL game last night than the Bank of Canada raising interest rates for the 7th time this year. That little blip on the screen was mentioned last night on Global news and the expert they trotted out said the average family will need to come up with about $18000 just because of that.

No mention of needing another $2500 for the extra federal carbon tax coming online in January. Oh they also polled 1000 of us who still answer polls - and I don't know a single person who does by the way - but anyways those kind souls/soles who still will answer Angus Reid or IPSOS are overwhelmingly bracing for a full blown recession.

Anyway KilllerBee, I'm still not settled in my heart as to the cause behind dropping that huge sweeping amendment, since I do not believe for one instance that the folks pulling PM Socks' strings are remotely as vapid as he is. Far from it in fact.

We'll need to remain vigilant, to keep the pressure on elected officials and doubly so for us in Leftist Lotus Land aka BC for sure.

We'll see, but this is FAR from over in my opinion.

All the best to you folks regardless of the mess however sir. We're still here to contend with them and hopefully will have friends and/or family time in the upcoming Christmas Season.

Dwayne

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........??????????

Good morning Dwayne, hope your day is going GREAT! thank you for your, as per usual, great detailed response!

Only have a couple of questions for you since I do not read or watch anything Canadian anymore, prefer not to have to take anti-depressant's!

1. "said the average family will need to come up with about $18000 just because of that." how was that calculated do you happen to know, that is one rather LARGE AMOUNT OF $$$!

2. "No mention of needing another $2500 for the extra federal carbon tax coming online in January." Is that a calculation on the average expenditures of the average Canadian consumer?

KB

KillerBee;
Good morning and thanks for the reply.

The "average" family who bought a $1.2 Million teardown house almost anywhere in BC are holding astronomical amounts of household debt. It's not uncommon that they're paying 2/3 of that, so every time the interest pops up a point they're on the hook for $6000-$8000 correct? This year it's been .75% in the Bank of Canada - BoC rate, but mortgage lenders need to make money too.

Here's a link to a Reuters article on our interest rates from the BoC

https://www.reuters.com/business/fi...ad-bank-canada-rate-decision-2022-01-26/

For provinces like BC, we're already paying a federal carbon tax, but I believe that the prairie provinces were not and were fighting it. It's part of the Green Initiative which will save the planet, even though we are responsible for less than 2% of total global emissions....

Indeed we could all stop emitting 100% - through our untimely demise or reverting back to the stone age but not using wood to cook our mammoth stew of course - and the total global reduction would be the proverbial 4/5ths of 5/8ths of Sweet..... well you know.

But it's my understanding and I'd really like to be wrong about that all KB - but I believe my friends to the east are going to get a whammy on all fossil fuel products in a few weeks.

The calculations of $2500 were a broad number and it'll be different province to province depending upon existing programs already in place which funnel funds to the cleptocracy in Ottawa.

You know KB, it occurs to me you're going to start avoiding me if I'm incessantly giving out bad news... Sincerely sorry about that my friend, it's not my intent.

If I didn't believe it was still worth contending for though, I'd have the fortitude to say that and no, I'm not there by a long shot.

All the best.

Dwayne

LMAO! Not to worry buddy, you are ACES in my Buckskin Wrapped Good Book :o)

The great news for me is that my company is Recession Proof, in fact I do even better during a recession, which is exactly where we are headed.

KB

673;
Good evening to you my friend, I hope the day was kind to you all and you're all well.

If you missed this today, it looks like most of the PC caucus got kicked out of the house when Raquel Dancho called a Liberal member a liar. She did withdraw it, but refused to apologize.

Also of note at the beginning of the clip, Dane Lloyd mentions that the Assembly of First Nations issued a declaration publicly opposing C-21.

I will note however that it looks as if the Libs/NDP/BQ are still trying to ram this through before the Christmas break.

Lots of balls in the air for sure today.



She had a bit of a press conference after that and my goodness was she in fine form. She's a tough lady that one - as you well said - a heart of a lion.



Best to you all this evening.

Dwayne

Thanks for that Dwayne, I was 40km in the bush today and got a text from friend who was excited about todays events. The Liberals and the NDP have simply been lying right to everyone's face, its shameful.

Canada's Native people have stepped up, that's good news for all firearms owners.

Anyone with a couple functioning brain cells can see that the Liberals are in reality saying....we are respecting treaty rights, Constitutional rights etc........the BS Bill C-21 will skip over the indians and only apply to everyone else.
The laugher here is the fact that most, if not all guns used in any shootings by the Somali, Sikh, etc drug gangs come through the cross border reserves, you can't make this up.

There are a number of NDP MP's speaking out strongly now against Bill C-21. Thank them.

We really need the letters to continue to the Senate in the hope the Bill will not pass.

Clearly, the government has been influenced by a foreign entity, that is for sure.

Can someone explain to Canadians ....how is it that a person can come to Canada, run for office, get elected, then this is what is puzzling.... go all out and try to change traditional Canadian value's?

Because Canada is a "Ruined Nation", it is a shell of it's former self.

Again I do not blame Trudeau for this, many of our Prime Ministers did quite the number on our country, before he hit the scene.

I blame Trudeau, completely.
I thought you didn't give a shyte.

I am hoping Trudeau's plane slams into the side of a Mountain, is that clear enough?
If you are willing to do FA then why comment about a fight you are not willing to participate in?

Well I do not know how you can blame Trudeau completely? Don't you think that others are responsible for the state Canada is in?

Another thing I will share that I noticed:

I was walking to the garage to get my car after they were doing some work on it about 5 years ago. I happened to walk by a elementary school as the children were leaving for the day, and immediately something struck me as strange.

I then realized that I did not see any white kids, so for the hell of it I started counting, the total count I made was 153 children, only 4 were Caucasian!

This observation made me instantly realize that the reason why Trudeau won the election, is because of the immigrant vote.

Did I ever say I didn't give a shyte?????

I personally do not remember saying that. I have no fight with you 673, so do me a favor and don't try to create one with me. Your fight is with the Federal Government, not me!

KB

Trudeau got elected because he made weed legal, and that is all.

Why comment on an issue that you are unwilling to participate in? Why don't you do me a favor, either anti up, or stop being a Trudeau sympathizer.
Are you a Liberal influencer?

Why comment on an issue that you are unwilling to participate in? I VOTE!

Trudeau got elected because he made weed legal, and that is all. lmfao, with all due respect you are uninformed!

Hit the showers buddy, make sure its good and cold so it wakes you up!

That is how Trudeau got any votes in BC, now you wake up.

You remind me like this...I walk into a bar with friends, a donnybrooke breaks out, everyone is involved but you have your hands in your pockets.
Apathy and apathetic people and myself don't get along, I have zero time for it or them, I got it figured right the first time.

My only question is: Nothing

KB

Not gay, my issue is not with gay or colored People. My issue is with People who wish to change traditional Canadian value's, when those People refuse to respect them.

Your true colors are showing, I don't think you are quite who you say you are.
I think you are a Liberal influencer, knowingly or not, seen and met quite a few of them, either way, you don't pass the stink test.

Listen Pal, I have not voted for a Liberal in my entire life!

You know Jack Squat about me, and you also sound extremely uninformed to think that Trudeau alone is responsible for the mess that our Once Beautiful Country is in.

Want to talk about smell tests, you smell like stupid to me. Stay uninformed, I could care less what you think.

KB

I was Liberal, I have met Pierre Trudeau, I have voted for the Liberals previously, but not for at least 20 years now.
Its important to know who your enemy is, having spent time in the camp of the enemy has been a good thing for me and friends.

You are not wrong about how we got here, its what you are going to do about it, you are going to do FA.
Your an idiot and I think you are full of shyte.
I don't trust you, so fugg you too LOL.

It's people like you that voted for liberals that put our country on this tragic course, good job, well done, bravo!

KB

The way I see it, you can't go back...and if do , we are all terrible sinners.
Even I, a Large C, Conservative, Christian, Catholic senior must admit at 18, I canvassed for the NDP ( provincially)convinced that that party supported the land use issues I found thteatening to our wildlife and hunting issues of the time.
Wow, what a bonehead choice.
I think W Churchill once said" if your 20 and you don't support labour party( NDP), you have no heart but if you 40 and you do, you have lost your mind"
This is not a direct quote but you get the idea.
Yes Sir, I am a horrible sinner.
I couldn't , stomach Pierre though.
Justin was struck with the very same hammer , a little more directly on the head.

The way I see it, you can't go back...and if do , we are all terrible sinners.
Even I, a Large C, Conservative, Christian, Catholic senior must admit at 18, I canvassed for the NDP ( provincially)convinced that that party supported the land use issues I found threatening to our wildlife and hunting issues of the time.
Wow, what a bonehead choice.
I think W Churchill once said" if your 20 and you don't support labour party( NDP), you have no heart but if you 40 and you do, you have lost your mind"
This is not a direct quote but you get the idea.
Yes Sir, I am a horrible sinner.
I couldn't , stomach Pierre though.
Justin was struck with the very same hammer , a little more directly on the head.

I highly doubt you would of found any Conservatives in Native Canada 20 years or previous to that.

Hey guys.
The Liberal party of our fathers is not the Liberal party we have today, similar to what is happening in the USA. The Conservative party also has its minions and their fruit is there for everyone to see.


Watching CPAC this morning was revealing as to how things are going in Ottawa, I saw at least two NDP MP's stand up and say how many letters they received from their constituents and from others who are not. They literally called out the Liberals for their underhandedness, so that is a good thing, but I expect Liberals to do the same if there are any "blowing in the wind" as it has been suggested that there are.

Letters matter alot.

WRONG AGAIN, They were always dumb as a fence post, you should know you voted for them!

I always wondered why Westerners voted for Liberals, now I know.

KB

And that is why Canada isn't Canada anymore. The people who settled and built this country are dying out, not reproducing at a sustainable rate. We are being replaced by non traditional immigrants, different perspective and mindset and they tend to have loads of kids. The days of the Canada we knew and grew up in are rapidly changing. Canada is not the same country it was 50 years ago, not even 20 years ago. The change is accelerating, shifting gears, traditional Canadians are going out the tailpipe. We won't recognize Canada 40 or 50 years from now. Traditional Canadians are an endangered species. Glad I'm getting old.

My exact sentiment!

40 or 50 years from now? I hardly recognise it now!

This is precisely why Canadians hunting "privileges" could transcend into "rights" via the Provinces which they live. The right to buy a licence and hunt, not to be impeded by the king of England or Trudeau like scum. Your lifestyle only go's away if/when you let it go away.

I think that is exactly where we are going with the guns, to the Provinces, it will become a Constitutional issue and settle there.

This struggle that is not being the "dominant culture" anymore isn't anything new in Canada, that's what happened to Canada's Native People, exactly. We need to be able to live with it, but if we have a Government that is bent on the demise of "traditional Canadians"...then we do have a problem.

Precisely, soon enough we will know how the natives felt when we showed up, overwhelmed their lifestyle and trampled all over them. History repeats itself. We are becoming the trampled.

Trudeau, his ilk, globalists, etc, do not want individual cultures. Multiculturalism is a misnomer for mixing everyone together until separate races are all bread into one race and culture. Easier for the global ruling class to control people when they all become brainwashed identical trained monkeys with no borders, individual countries, languages or cultures.

From the CSSA

We’ve received many phone calls and emails asking, “What’s the big deal? All this does is layout the terms of our surrender!”


Comments like these tell us a lot of people didn’t read our press release, and even fewer bothered to read the proposed Saskatchewan Firearms Act.i


Saskatchewan is making it cost-prohibitive for the federal government to confiscate firearms in that province.


It wasn’t the registration of rifles and shotguns that caused Canadians to elect the majority conservative government that got rid of the hated Long Gun Registry.


It was the cost.


Allan Rock promised the registry would cost a mere $2 million, and instead the federal government wasted well over $2 billion.


This massive waste of taxpayer dollars for zero increase in public safety is what sealed the fate of the Liberal’s Long Gun Registry.


Saskatchewan’s proposed Act sets forth a strict set of restrictions for how a firearm confiscation scheme must be implemented in Saskatchewan.


It will become so expensive to seize firearms in Saskatchewan that even Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government will be forced to abandon this nonsense due to public outrage over the price tag.


Why? Because it will not prevent a single drug dealer or gang-related shooting.


Pick any one of the dozens of shootings in the Greater Toronto Area this year alone. Not one of those crimes were committed by a licensed firearm owner using a registered handgun.


Every one of those crimes was committed by a violent person using an illegal firearm, almost always one smuggled into Canada from the United States.


Our Top Ten Favourite Sections


1. To seize and confiscate a firearm in Saskatchewan, an individual who wishes to become a seizure agent must:


Be licensed by the Saskatchewan Minister of Corrections, Policing and Public Safety using “the form approved by the minister” and pay the application fee set by the minister.


Every company who wishes to provide seizure agents must apply for a licence to the minister in the form approved by the minister for each employee who is to be employed as a seizure agent.


2. Members of any police force, including the RCMP, are prohibited from becoming seizure officers.


3. Seizure agents are prohibited from working alone. Seizure agents must operate in pairs, at a minimum, while conducting firearm seizures.


4. Seizure agents are prohibited from transporting more than three (3) firearms from the place of seizure to a licensed storage facility at one time. [4-18(3)]


If they want to seize 60 firearms from one location, they are forced to make 20 trips with three firearms each. Depending upon the location of the closest seized firearm storage facility, this could take days to complete, or 40 seizure agents and twenty vehicles to accomplish this seizure in a single day.


5. Seized firearm storage and/or destruction facilities are prohibited from being constructed within 1,000 metres (1km) from any home, facility, farm, daycare, school, college, university, place of worship, hospital, restaurant, sports training or event facility, grocery store, shopping mall, etc.


In other words, the federal government must build a new facility somewhere outside of every city and town that is at least 1km away from any other building or farm that meets the stringent guidelines for such facilities as specified in the Act.


6. This legislation proposes to create a Saskatchewan Firearm Compensation Committee which will be responsible for setting the compensation cost for all firearms to be seized – cutting off Ottawa’s attempt to devalue firearms so they can seize them without paying compensation.


This means that if a person or company or federal government entity is able to successfully jump through all the hoops created by this legislation, they will be forced to pay the prices set by Saskatchewan, not the federal government.


7. No seized firearm may be destroyed within 45 days of seizure, and only after any appeal process by the firearm’s owner is completed.


8. Compensation for a seized firearm must be paid within 45 days of seizure.


9. Every firearm seized must be sent for ballistics testing, adding even more to the cost to the federal government.


10. Section 2-2(3) of the proposed legislation says, “The minister may impose any terms and conditions on a delegation pursuant to this section that the minister considers appropriate.”


If, somehow, Saskatchewan’s proposed Firearms Act doesn’t make the seizure of firearms onerous enough, the Minister may add even more cost-prohibitive terms and conditions deemed appropriate.


We would love to see every province enact similar legislation because it would make Trudeau’s gun confiscation scheme dead on arrival.




Sources:
https://s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/CSSA/PDF/Saskatchewan-Fireams-Act–Bill-29-117.pdf

If EVERY province did this, the Bill is unworkable

We’ve received many phone calls and emails asking, “What’s the big deal? All this does is layout the terms of our surrender!”


Comments like these tell us a lot of people didn’t read our press release, and even fewer bothered to read the proposed Saskatchewan Firearms Act.i


Saskatchewan is making it cost-prohibitive for the federal government to confiscate firearms in that province.


It wasn’t the registration of rifles and shotguns that caused Canadians to elect the majority conservative government that got rid of the hated Long Gun Registry.


It was the cost.


Allan Rock promised the registry would cost a mere $2 million, and instead the federal government wasted well over $2 billion.


This massive waste of taxpayer dollars for zero increase in public safety is what sealed the fate of the Liberal’s Long Gun Registry.


Saskatchewan’s proposed Act sets forth a strict set of restrictions for how a firearm confiscation scheme must be implemented in Saskatchewan.


It will become so expensive to seize firearms in Saskatchewan that even Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government will be forced to abandon this nonsense due to public outrage over the price tag.


Why? Because it will not prevent a single drug dealer or gang-related shooting.


Pick any one of the dozens of shootings in the Greater Toronto Area this year alone. Not one of those crimes were committed by a licensed firearm owner using a registered handgun.


Every one of those crimes was committed by a violent person using an illegal firearm, almost always one smuggled into Canada from the United States.


Our Top Ten Favourite Sections


1. To seize and confiscate a firearm in Saskatchewan, an individual who wishes to become a seizure agent must:


Be licensed by the Saskatchewan Minister of Corrections, Policing and Public Safety using “the form approved by the minister” and pay the application fee set by the minister.


Every company who wishes to provide seizure agents must apply for a licence to the minister in the form approved by the minister for each employee who is to be employed as a seizure agent.


2. Members of any police force, including the RCMP, are prohibited from becoming seizure officers.


3. Seizure agents are prohibited from working alone. Seizure agents must operate in pairs, at a minimum, while conducting firearm seizures.


4. Seizure agents are prohibited from transporting more than three (3) firearms from the place of seizure to a licensed storage facility at one time. [4-18(3)]


If they want to seize 60 firearms from one location, they are forced to make 20 trips with three firearms each. Depending upon the location of the closest seized firearm storage facility, this could take days to complete, or 40 seizure agents and twenty vehicles to accomplish this seizure in a single day.


5. Seized firearm storage and/or destruction facilities are prohibited from being constructed within 1,000 metres (1km) from any home, facility, farm, daycare, school, college, university, place of worship, hospital, restaurant, sports training or event facility, grocery store, shopping mall, etc.


In other words, the federal government must build a new facility somewhere outside of every city and town that is at least 1km away from any other building or farm that meets the stringent guidelines for such facilities as specified in the Act.


6. This legislation proposes to create a Saskatchewan Firearm Compensation Committee which will be responsible for setting the compensation cost for all firearms to be seized – cutting off Ottawa’s attempt to devalue firearms so they can seize them without paying compensation.


This means that if a person or company or federal government entity is able to successfully jump through all the hoops created by this legislation, they will be forced to pay the prices set by Saskatchewan, not the federal government.


7. No seized firearm may be destroyed within 45 days of seizure, and only after any appeal process by the firearm’s owner is completed.


8. Compensation for a seized firearm must be paid within 45 days of seizure.


9. Every firearm seized must be sent for ballistics testing, adding even more to the cost to the federal government.


10. Section 2-2(3) of the proposed legislation says, “The minister may impose any terms and conditions on a delegation pursuant to this section that the minister considers appropriate.”


If, somehow, Saskatchewan’s proposed Firearms Act doesn’t make the seizure of firearms onerous enough, the Minister may add even more cost-prohibitive terms and conditions deemed appropriate.


We would love to see every province enact similar legislation because it would make Trudeau’s gun confiscation scheme dead on arrival.




Sources:
https://s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/CSSA/PDF/Saskatchewan-Fireams-Act–Bill-29-117.pdf

Exactly^^^
They are really going to go after Christians, it could be that they realize most gun owners are overwhelmingly Christians, so its no big deal to screw them both ways. I really believe that it is up to Canadians to not let what happened to Native Canada, to happen to them.

On another theme...I was with a friend yesterday and it was suggested that......all the add ons with
BillC-21 could be "smoke" and the real intent is handguns and semi-auto's. Throwing all the hunting rifles was/is a ruse so the Liberals and friends can say.....we will compromise and back off on the hunting rifles and it only applies to handguns and semi-auto's, you can keep your Mauser's.

This way Trudeau looks like a gem and the opposition looks like they actually did something, seems plausible to me. They poisoned the well with the hunting rifle smoke.

Skatchewan, that is sweet music to us all, very proud of Saskatchewan for this, thank you for posting that!.
It is going to be a different story in other area's of Canada, like BC, I think anyways. It may be time for a move if this is the way I think it will be.

Ontario’s Premier Ford is from Toronto. There is no way he is going to wade in on this debate. In order to govern Ontario one must win the Toronto support so count out Ford standing up for honest conservative values. Remember, he supported Trudeau on the Emergency Act in February.

Nick

I agree Nick, sadly.

Although I prefer to stay away from stupid people like you, I want to respond to your idiotic comment you made about me.

Your comment above would come as a shock to the many people I put in the hospital while I grew up in Quebec while defending myself and while I worked as the head bouncer in the most popular bars in Montreal. I never started a single fight, but I sure did end them. Never once was I afraid to fight.

You have ZERO credibility here and are part of the problem why Canada is in the state it's in today. You yourself said that you were backing NDP and handing their flyers out and voted for Liberals. I never voted for a Baby Killing, left wing abortionist loving lunatic, not once, apparently you have.

I still remember the elections when for example Jean Chrétien won in 1993 in a landslide victory and I watched in horror. I'll bet you voted for him as well.

People like you have destroyed this country, I hope your happy. You should STFU and never bring me up again, with your stupid lamebrain comments!

I have no respect for you, none.

KB

Still flailing hey?
I never said I backed the NDP.
I said I met Pierre Trudeau and voted for the Liberals many years ago, I never said how many times.
I see you edited pretty much all your posts, I never edited mine, I stand by my posts.

Now your being a little beotch. You should of left your "tuck tail" attitude in Quebec where it belongs to dumbphuck baby. Leave the fighting for our gun rights to the ones with the balls to do just that, go hide under your bed and someone will come and get you when its all over.

I think your a lobbiest and simply trying to derail a legitimate thread that has legs, start another thread to spew your infantile garbage you fuggin schill, now go fugg off.

.

You brought it you retarded [bleep], you are probably drunk, but whatever, all you had to do was stay in your own lane.

Here is an exellent article, and as stated previously, the true intent of gun seizures.
https://capforcanada.com/are-old-stock-canadians-the-true-target-of-trudeaus-gun-seizures/

You are very welcome

Skatchewan;
Top of the morning to you sir, I hope the day is behaving well enough for you out on the flat lands this morning.

Thanks for putting up the details of that legislature, I'll admit I yelled - in a positive way - when I heard you all had done this.

Indeed if we could get every province to enact this, it's hamstring the Feds for sure and while we're working to that end here in BC, I'm more hopeful that Alberta and Manitoba might be quicker to do something similar.

To me too, this is another notification to the Laurentian elite that provinces other than Quebec have read the fine print and have had enough. It's interesting times for sure.

Anyways, while I've always been proud of being born and raised in eastern Saskatchewan, this certainly gives me cause to smile.

My admittedly distant connection to some of this besides still having family living out there, would be that I was friends in school and graduated with Hon. Warren Kaeding - but to be clear I don't believe we've chatted in at least 30 years.

Thanks again and all the best to you this Christmas Season.

Dwayne

673;
Morning again my friend, I hope the day's either going okay or has been a good one when you read this.

As you and I discussed, there was a bit of a paper letter campaign aimed at BC NDP MP's in the swing ridings.

In this video, I'm now able to put a face to a couple that got letters from at least one old cat out here in the frozen Okanagan...

It looks like maybe all that recycling might have let them know they stepped on a few last nerves in their own backyard.



To no one's surprise the Federal Libs continue to look straight at the camera and not tell anything remotely resembling the truth.

All the best until next time.

Dwayne

The most unfortunate problem is that Canada will take the handguns and semis and no one will stand up and fight. Inch by inch they win.

I doubt many or any will fight in the US either.

OTOH some will say no and what happens from then on is up to .gov of various flavors.

rost495;
Good morning my friend, I hope you're getting decent weather down in your wintering grounds and you're all well as can be.

With respect I'll differ with you that no one is standing up to fight, though for sure the fight is now taking place in the media, the court of public opinion and in the legislative assemblies and parliament.

There are a whole bunch of parallels here with the trucker protest in my opinion and its abundantly clear now that it was as successful as it was because it remained peaceful towards the government when the government in fact was not peaceful towards them. That's come out multiple times in the committee hearings for sure.

Now, if that will be enough in that instance and in this instance to wake up enough Canadians to what we're losing? We'll see.

It's absolutely an uphill battle with the bought and paid for legacy media not only in the pocket of the government but seemingly acting as a propaganda arm. As mentioned in another post, I believe we're making strides with younger folks but my generation of boomers still seem to have our heads firmly in the sand, but we'll keep trying.

Nobody who's been at this as long as I have expects to ever really "win" decisively enough that we can rest. That's just not logical really.

I've personally invested a lifetime of energy, time and no small amount of money pushing for what I believe is right and true and I fully expect the folks on the other side to do the same.

The stakes are for sure high this time, but in many ways their side has finally shown their hand and though I hate to be right about that, I will tell anyone who wants to listen - "I bloody told you so!!!"

So far the push back or fight hasn't been loud and that's my personal preference of course, that is to say to win with logic and lawful change.

Again I keep saying, we'll see and that's the only thing I do know for sure.

All the best to you all regardless and Merry Christmas.

Dwayne

GREAT POST rost495.

When I saw this post a while back by Reloader28 on 11/29/22, I thought to myself well that is an interesting comment because Reloader28 is from the beautiful state of Texas.


"Remember The Alamo"

So, it begs this question: Texas is currently being invaded by basically the entire world. Where are all the citizens that are going there to protect your southern flank?

If I recall history correctly when Texas was being invaded by Antonio López de Santa Anna, a few of your best went and died trying to stop the assault to include Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie, real American heroes that paid the ultimate price.

So what is the holdup of your citizens defending your border, Not that simple hey?

I do not ask this question to be sarcastic, I am simply pointing out that we are all living under the Yoke of our corrupt governments, it’s way more complicated these days, and it has been set up that way so we all conform. Truly pathetic and if you balk, you run the risk of loosing everything you have worked for, to include your freedom, the remnants of it anyways. A very SAD state of affairs, indeed!

I am seeing glimmers of hope in this tread, for that I am grateful.

KB

Lots of People fighting hard to put this Bill down, but I do know People who are gun owners who don't think hunting rifles are on the table (head in hands) ....I ask you been watching the news haven't you?
I think it is easier to list what you will be allowed to own than list what you aren't.

I think its clear gun owners are generally, if not overwhelmingly peaceful Citizens, and I don't see any evidence to show otherwise.
I think it is going to go to the Provinces if it passes in the House and Senate, but I don't think it will pass, I just don't.

I think if Quebec or another Province wants to impose legislation such as Bill C-21, then do it in Quebec and get out of our face, it is the epitome of arrogance to think they understand, or that they can control what happens elsewhere in Canada.

Nobody is going to comply, I wont and I don't know anybody that will, so there is that LOL.

You damned western separatists!!!!!!!!😁

I don't watch the News in Canada, and have not for over 20 ears. The News outlets in Canada are as trustworthy as CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, Google and Twitter.

I am way to smart to waste my valuable time.

KB

673;
Good evening my friend, I trust the day behaved for you all and you're all firing on all cylinders tonight.

In the course of the day today I found out that my MP - Richard Cannings NDP - is not supportive of hunting or it appears private firearm ownership. This information from a friend of a good friend who lives across the street from him on the West Bench coming into town from the north.

It was a close election last time with him getting in with 41.3%, the Conservative next at 35.5% and then the Mad Max candidate took 7.3%....

If anyone out there reading is a Mad Max forever sort, here's what that brought me personally....

Should anyone be so inclined to write MP Cannings and encourage him to respect and support Canadian firearm ownership, here's the info.

Richard Cannings MP
Main office - Penticton
301 Main Street
Suite 202
Penticton, British Columbia
V2A 5B7
Telephone: 250-770-4480

Thanks in advance to anyone who is so inclined. For those who aren't we'd still appreciate prayers for wisdom to know how to best dismantle the mess we're in.

All the best to one and all this Christmas Season.

Dwayne

All;
Here's NDP Alistair MacGregor's statement.

Note where he's saying he's getting lots of mail.

He sounds a little peeved though, I will say that.

Perhaps they need to turf Mr. Singh sooner than later.



Best to you all.

Dwayne

Thank you Dwayne, I will send a note off to the MP in your area.
Just makes me wonder what makes someone tick who doesn't support firearms ownership, I don't think I have ever met anyone that dumb before LOL.

673;
Good evening again my friend.

Thanks for dropping him a note, I appreciate it.

On the MacGregor video he did speak well, but he too seems stuck on the thought it's only semi-auto actions.

In the comments I suggested he'd do well to work towards finding a new leader for his party since they are equally culpable for where we're at.

I'll just bloody bet they're getting mail though 673, so that's good to know.

People who don't support firearms ownership see the world in a different shape and shade than we do my friend. I can't see it otherwise.

As a Christian I have no issues believing man is born with a sinful nature and given the opportunity we'll drift that way without too much provocation. Since folks are not basically good and ultimately we're responsible for our own safety, care and feeding, we tend towards keeping the best tool for the task at hand.

The other folks can't have given a bunch of thought as to how this all got here, what it takes to keep it from flying apart and expect it to go on forever without blood, sweat, tears and toil.

If its someone else's job to keep me and mine safe and fed and all, then why would I need any tools right?

Honestly that's all a wild guess on my part though 673. As you know about me, I don't empathize at all with anyone, so what makes someone who doesn't think like I do tick is beyond my ability to comprehend.

Best to you all and thanks again.

Dwayne

Not sure if this has been posted...a list of Senators that need to know your thoughts.
https://sencanada.ca/en/senators

I'm starting to think we might just see them pull back, at least on the amendment. The rest I'm afraid will be settled in court. The OIC is already being challenged in the courts, the handgun issue is likely headed there too.
As well, there are cracks widening in the coalition from Hell, some of them due to C-21 and others due to different issues. All, however boil down to folks becoming tired of being lied too by the Liberals on various topics. Plus the continuation of a litany of ethics violations etc.
Tom Mulcair smells an election in 2023 even.
Encourage everyone you know to keep the pressure building!
Jeff

Jeff;
Good evening my cyber friend, I hope you're all well as can be what with the goings on these days.

I'm not sure I've thanked you for starting this thread, but if not then I'm sorry it's taken me this long and thanks kindly.

My goodness I hope you're right on them pulling back, but it looked today like PM Socks was just doubling down when Pierre was hammering him in the House.

Frankly it boggles my mind as well as causes such a strong gag reflex I'm barely able to watch him or Pinochio Mendocino look straight into their questioner's face and deny exactly what is taking place. It's sort of wild on a number of levels you know?

Do they believe people haven't read the list?

Have they read the list?

It's just wild and wildly unsettling to me.

That said, it did my hard little heart good to see a few of the swing vote area NDP members from BC stand to speak in opposition to it. I do note the conspicuous absence of my own MP Richard Cannings, so he'll be getting another letter to ask why that might be.

All the best to you all this Christmas regardless though sir.

Dwayne

I was referring to the overreach and amendments here recently, I will say again....wondering if the add ons aren't just a ruse to get the hunting/farming/ community up in arms, then the Turd saves the day by stepping back on the hunting rifles making himself and friends look like champs, and the Conservatives would look like they did something, meanwhile.......the handguns and SA etc are still on.

All;
Good evening to you all, I hope that other than things political you and your respective yours are well.

This just came though on my feed and I'll share it.

Alberta has stepped up to the plate in a huge way.



A sincere thanks to the Alberta government from a former resident and neighbor.

Best to you all this Christmas Season.

Dwayne

That is great news!
Thanks for posting that Dwayne, makes my day.

This is great news

Hopefully the NDP do not form the next provincial government as Notley has openly stated that she would withdraw UCP legislation and partner with Ottawa / Trudeau.

I hate the NDP in all its forms.

Good evening Dwayne,
It has been a busy Fall hunting season, I have only hunted upland game this year, oh and some waterfowling too. Relaxing hunts mostly. I do have a cougar tag in my pocket with plans to get serious about it through the Winter. Of course, coyotes are looking great around here too.

Thanks very much for your kind words. I was surprised that no one had mentioned C-21 before. The consequences of it are undeniably devastating to shooters in all disciplines. I am so fortunate to say my Representative is Glen Motz. A great guy, tells it like it is.

You are quite right, one moment it looks like they are pulling back then the next, Trudy is doubling down on it. The constant lies being told by Mendocino make me want to retch! He is more vile than Goodale was. No one calls him out on them except the Conservatives, so he goes on blissfully telling tall tales. I don't believe he or anyone else in the Liberal party has read the list. There is either an incredible lack of knowledge about firearms or the agenda is just cranking up to full speed. It is heartening to see NDP and a few Liberals speaking out against it.
With the government closed for Christmas, I hope that the pressure is kept up so they remember us. We can't let the holidays have us let down our guard.

I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas Season!

Take care my friend,
Jeff

I fear that may very well be the plan. The spin he puts on everything he says is untrustworthy to say the least. This government is up to something, something that stinks like the bull pucky he spews each time he speaks or at least sputters.
The instructions given today by the Alberta government and all the other support they are giving us is impressive and refreshing. I worry about the NDP returning to power in Alberta to be sure. Our province is changing for sure. The UCP must win in May 2023!
Jeff

673;
Good Friday afternoon to you my friend, I hope you're keeping warm enough today if you're temps are dropping like ours are - and I'd imagine they are.

Just a quick update on what's going on or better said what I know of it.

Here's a copy and paste of the reply from my local MP Richard Canning's office.


"Good afternoon Dwayne,

Thank you for your letter, your thoughts have been shared with MP Richard Cannings. Our NDP Caucus is working hard to address the amendments made to Bill C-21 changed. These amendments are not supported by Richard Cannings and the NDP caucus.

I will provide you with our critic’s response to Bill C-21.

“Since the Liberals introduced this last-minute change to their firearms bill — introduced without our knowledge or consent — many hunters have raised concerns regarding the potential impact of these changes. We are taking these concerns very seriously and are pressing the government for clarity on how this will impact hunters. The goal of this legislation was to get dangerous handguns off our streets, not criminalize hunters. We are pressing the Liberals to ensure that hunters, farmers and Indigenous people are not targeted by these changes. We will not support amendments to the Bill that ban guns primarily used for hunting or protecting farm animals from predators. We will not support amendments to the Bill that do not respect treaty rights and the rights of Indigenous people. There is still time to do this right and you can rest assured that your concerns will inform our actions on this important legislation.”

Thank you and have a good day,"

From that we can glean that inanimate objects are still "dangerous" to the NDP, but there's no surprise there really or if anyone is, they need more coffee and sugar intake.

I'll note too that in the CCFR's videos of NDP MP's who stood in the House to speak against the bill, Mr. Cannings was absent.

That means another letter to him to express my disappointment next week...

I bought stamps, envelopes and paper in bulk and have a laser printer, so might as well let them know where they stand in my eyes since I know where I stand in their eyes.

There's some odd things going on down here in the local buy and sell regarding firearms popping up on there. We'll chat about that on the phone too, but I smell Rodentia strongly and advised a friend of a friend to move in the opposite direction because of it.

Anyways that's what I know as of Friday afternoon my friend.

We'll see what the weekend brings and I'll drop anything new on here.

All the best to you and the rest of our Canuck brothers and sisters on the 'Fire this Christmas Season.

Dwayne

Dwayne, thanks for your thoughts and the feedback from the NDP - MP.

With the agreement Jagmeet signed with the Liberal Party I do not share your optimism that the NDP will provide meaningful help against bill C-21. The agreement is the closest the NDP have (will) come to being in the seat of power for decisions. With the agreement not to force an early election they sold their collective souls to support a corrupt Liberal government in anything the Liberals put forward.

Using words like pressing for clarity on how this will impact hunters, not supporting amendments that ban guns primarily used for hunting --- to me means they are fine with C-21 in some form and are taking a pass on the real issue. C-21 does not go after Criminals, gun smuggling or illegal owners. There is no position put forward by the NDP to the obvious that assault rifles have been banned in Canada for some time and assault style is meaningless.


In Alberta we have already had Jagmeet's road show against the UCP trying to support the provincial NDP which shows how closely tied the two differnt levels area as one party. Notley is a Trudeau supporter and has pulled devious moves on the Alberta population in the past when she was in power that supported the Federal NDP and Liberals.

We will see where this goes but with a Liberal / NDP coalition at the Federal level now and most likely again in the future I am not optimistic for the future.

Hugh;
Good evening to you sir, I hope the day went more than less according to plan and you're keeping warm.

If somehow I gave you the impression I was enthusiastic about anything the NDP have done, I'm sorry and will endeavor to be clearer in the future.

Jagmeet is directly responsible for us being in the mess we're in with PM Socks and truly I view Jagmeet as one of the Evil Minions who I mention with no affection.

I'm not now, nor have I ever been a fan of the NDP, even though I did come from Saskatchewan so there was a 50/50 chance I suppose?

For sure Hugh, I don't think we're out of any woods yet, but I am happy to see some of the BC NDP MPs standing to speak against the bill, since they received letters from a lot of their fellow BC residents asking them to do just that - maybe even me...

Again sorry for the confusion and all the best.

Dwayne

Good morning to you Dwayne,

Tyler sounds like a Trumper to me with his Alberta First sign on the podium, my kind of people! Exactly what we need as a Prime Minister!

Thank you for posting that video, I will be sending him a letter to thank him and to let him know that if he runs for Prime Minister or Premier of Alberta that he definitely has my vote!

I posted his contact information below, so if anyone else would like to do the same they have the contact information.

Wishing you and yours a super Christmas and a fantastic New year. I look forward to lighting my huge candle for Jesus on Christmas day!

Have a super weekend my cyber friend.

KB

Tyler Shandro Contact information:

Honourable Tyler Shandro, QC. Minister of Labour and Immigration. United Conservative Caucus. MLA, Calgary-Acadia.

Legislature Office. 204 Legislature Building. 10800 – 97 Avenue NW. Edmonton, AB T5K 2B6. Phone 780.638.9400. ...

Constituency Office. Suite #105, 10333 Southport Road SW. Calgary, AB T2W 3X6. Google Map.

Seems clear, inside the den of vipers (Liberals, NDP, Bloc, Greens).....there are no sportsmen/women, no shooters, hunters of any kind. There are some among the Conservatives, but unaware of how many, my guess, not many.

There isn't any facts presented of any kind for a handgun ban let alone the myriad of hunting rifles they continue to lie about.

Massive non-compliance has a ring to it, and frankly, would rather be dead before I hand FA over to the very People I may need them for, and likely will be.

The friendlies get a pat on the back, the un-friendlies get letters of encouragement and to do something like stop the Fentanyl and other drugs that actually are a problem and something actually could be done.

673;
Morning my friend, it's warmer here this morning than it was last night so I hope you're getting the same thing and you're all well.

Well said on the den of vipers and the absolute lack of knowledge on display.

Honestly what keeps on bugging me - sorry I keep bringing it up - but the amendment list is completely bizarre as to be unsettling. Who would put a Purdey Rook and Rabbit drop block, Parker shotguns or a Weatherby Mk V on a supposed evil black rifle list? Bizarre to say the least.

As I'm pointing out to my MP, my personal handguns have been safely locked in my safes on my property for the past 40 years. Emphatically they've not been "on the street" by any definition they can come up with. How removing them from my safe is going to make anyone in the world safer is illogical at best and again bizarre at worst.

The incessant lying is really unsettling too. I'm sure you have the same revulsion when Minister Pinocchio smugly looks into the camera and speaks obvious untruths. I've added him to the list of names which I will not speak or type out unless absolutely necessary. I'm to that point with them honestly.

For sure the friendlies get a pat on the back and the un's get more correspondence informing them that since they've poked the bear and it's now awake, the bear might have to find something they hold near and dear and see if the bear can't take it away without compensation - legally of course....

They own personal water craft, power boats, motorcycles, etc. so one just needs to figure out what that might be.

All the best to you all this weekend.

Dwayne

KillerBee;
Good morning to you my friend, I hope you've had a good night and are well.

Thanks much for the contact link to Mr. Shandro.

It's recently dawned on me that sending positive reinforcement is an action which I need to do more often, so for sure he or his office will receive a thanks from the south Okanagan for sure.

All the best to you all this weekend and throughout the Christmas Season.

Dwayne

The Serbu Butt-Master made the list. A one-off.

Whoever made this list is as incompetent as Turdeau.

KillerBee - thanks for the thought on sending a note of thanks to Tyler Shandro --- I have done this as well as to the premier. Good notes can be appreciated and they have taken on the point of the spear with this legislation. Alberta and Saskatchewan have poked the Federal NDP / Liberal coalition in their collective eyes. The Feds now have to take Alberta to court if they want to dispute this action so the shoe is on the other foot.

I sure hope Rachel and her team of fools do not get back in.

A cool video.

Thanks HughW,

If it were not for the immigrants living in Alberta today NDP NEVER would have been elected in Alberta!

The first thing they did was to destroy our hunting draw system, really pissed me off with that debacle!

KB

I think the first thing they did was destroy our oil and gas industry. The second thing was to destroy our hunting/land-use system.

Lets just say everything they did was typical NDP, Brain Dead Bull Shiet

KB

All;
Good almost evening to one and all, I hope the day was kind to you and finds you well.

Here's Ian Runkle's take on the position Alberta is taking and what it might mean.

Being informed never hurts right?



All the best to you all despite this mess. Merry Christmas to you and all of yours.

Dwayne

WOW! He is right!

Strange a good upstanding Canadian like Steven Redgwell has nothing to contribute here.

I do not know if anyone posted this yet, but here is the complete Ban List:

https://silvercore.ca/2022/12/07/silvercore-podcast-91-gun-ban-update-on-bill-c-21/

KillerBee thanks for the list. I see a couple of semi-auto shotguns that are common on the Sporting Clays shoots listed -- once of which I came close to purchasing this past spring. The only difference in the one I picked up is the manufacturer -- still a semi with light recoil. Scary what they are trying to do.

Jordan / KillerBee -- On the Alberta NDP I know a fellow connected in the NDP caucus - he openly told me as well as others that sport hunting had no place in society and that they would work towards having it banned in Alberta. They take small steps over time to reach those goals but it is still a goal of that group.

Do you think that surprises me? Have you seen the comments I have been making about NDP'ers and Liberals? lol

I am happy to say that mine are not on the list, but that list is just a precursor, next list everything will be on it.

Interesting commentary by Ian. Certainly not the position anyone wants to find themselves in.
I think these moves by Alberta are the precursor to, I'll call it a Firearm Act in the province which does protect Albertans from certain charges
while being allowed to continue hunting/shooting or collecting items affected by the OIC and the more recent ban list. I believe they are researching the
possibility at least. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Meanwhile, don't do something stupid with your guns such as killing coyotes with your Mini 14. Yet!
Jeff

Boy, I just went through the list quickly and realized my benelli sbe2 is a weapon of war when I cross the medicine line. Guess they don’t take into consideration what a poor shot I am at your ducks. Not sure why you all have it out for Italian gun makers because the Winchester Sx4 wasn’t there from what I could tell.

I’m not sure who all up north has Chinese mortars or German anti tank guns they list but I’m know your deer are bigger in Saskatchewan then down here in Oklahoma so guessing a few folks are taking the one gun for all pretty seriously lol.

From the outside looking in it is so comical it makes one want to laugh till you come to realize they are serious and do want all your firearms. They are demonizing and trying to equate an antitank gun to Semi-automatic shot guns and some people are ignorant enough to buy it. By the way I can work and reload my old 870 pump quicker then my benelli but maybe I shouldn’t give them anymore stupid ideas.

I’ve lived in the city where people were astounded that I own a gun let alone hunt, kill, butcher and eat a deer to living in the country now and chided for my lack of creativity in weaponry. I wish city residents would stop trying to tell everyone what we should eat,wear, think etc when cities don’t produce anything they actually need to survive.

Canada has been near and dear to my family since I was fortunate enough to freeze my butt on a rock pile trying to hit a mallard 45 years ago. Guess I’m just trying to say we’re pulling for you and common sense to intervene. Best wishes.

Incredible, what will be the cost of buying all these firearms going to be for the government. A Purdey double rifle won’t be cheap, and yes it’s on the list along with many other valuable sporting firearms. After the Trudeau liberals spend a fortune on this misguided effort the urban population will be no safer from gang violence.

The true purpose is to eliminate all firearms from civilian ownership in this country and this has nothing to do with public safety. There will be no crackdown on urban drug gang violence Trudeau needs those shootings in the headlines to drive his anti gun policies. The majority of the urban population haven’t figured this out yet.

Nick

As Fonzie would say "Correctamondo"

Trudeau is a great admirer of the NZ premier and some of the current C21 proposed actions are ones NZ put in place. You need a PAL for parts, restrictions on exports, going after semi's in all forms. The latest down there is a proposal for an increase in fees. You can bet the Liberals are watching this one.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-...one-proposal-could-see-400-pct-hike.html

The NDP has been working to screw hunters here in BC for years. In BC the so-called right wing choice we have are called......Liberals....no connection to the Federal Liberal party, which is confusing and may have cost them the last Provincial election because they were too stupid to change their party name. These two parties have been working together with one stupid move after another.

Something to think about......if you have a Provincial government that supports its Citizens, then it is possible to introduce legislation to insure a Citizens right to buy a hunting/fishing licence of non migratory fish and game, similar to many US states.

The NDP signed on to UNDRIP (check into it) nobody really knows where that is going, the goal posts are moving and the legislation has legs, but basically it means........the indians are going to be the determining factor as to who hunts, where, what, or if at all. People will still hunt regardless, private land, public land etc...they will just do so without consent from the Provincial government or the indians.

This NDP is something that needs to be gone and attention needs to be put into destroying them and their destructive policies. The media is prepping people for the next election and really humping Jagmeet's leg right now, making him out to be some sort of savior on healthcare LOL, he is an idiot.

Yup, exactly.

In terms of cost, that is solved by simply confiscating rather than “buying back.”

All;
Good afternoon to you all, I hope the fire's burning bright at your place if it's as chilly there as it is here today.

If you have an hour, here is an interview that came into my feed from the NFA featuring Westbank FN member Steven Money.




True its only one person, but it's still educational I'd suggest.

All the best and Merry Christmas to you all.

Dwayne

Quiet time on the SX4 please ---

The list makes zero sense and the idiot that speaks to it keeps referring to diameter at the bore (removable chokes is still a point of confusion on shotguns as is a 10 gage) or if a version is capable of 10,000 joules of energy --- The initial push has been assualt firearms capable of mulitple casuaties. I have yet to see a Ruger #1 in a dangerous game caliber used on the battlefield. Now the wording smiths are saying we are trying to determine what guns are used for hunting. Sneeky little shift.

The people putting this forward are so moronic. In my view they are deliberately making the regulations confusing so as to decieve the general public.

Hugh;
Good afternoon to you again sir, I hope you're keeping warm enough on this blustery Sunday.

If you've not listened to Ian Runkle's take on the bill, it's worth the time in my opinion. He's the Edmonton firearms lawyer who is currently taking the feds to court - one of them anyways - and he's intimately familiar with their use of terms.

In Ian's opinion, it's not the dangerous game chamberings of the No 1 or Weatherby Mk V or Mauser Sporter - its all of them because they use the term "variant" attached onto it. Also we see Parker shotguns - all of them - as well as the Purdey Rook and Rabbit rifle which was only chambered for something like .310 Rook I want to say.

The choice we have to make is that the list was a bad joke, something made by a complete and utter idiot or that they're actually showing their hand to the the true believers that indeed they mean to take all the guns.

Sorry I keep on coming up with less than happy conclusions Hugh and I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but perhaps the choir can use some of this to convince some of their acquaintances to wake up to what PM Socks and his Evil Minions who absolutely do include Jagmeet Singh Jimmy Dhaliwal in my view.

Regardless of this mess, I still honestly do hope you and yours have a Merry Christmas sir.

Dwayne

Dwayne, all the best for your day. I have taken a short break from cutting up a moose for a cup of hot tea and thought I would check in on the forum.

I did watch Ian Runkle and also the interview with the government bureaucrat who when questioned on the Ruger #1 stated that it was only the "variant's capable of over 10,000 joules" --- he went on to state it was the same for the Weatherby Mark V. It is clear that the legal wording is confusing and the list is more than a bad joke. What is with the 10,000 joules of energy classification and then moving to naming specific models of guns ---- do military grade guns not have models that they could more easily prepare a smaller list for (). Clearly the end game of the NDP / Liberal coalition is something else.

There really was no need for this. This is typical for Trudeau to create an issue to deflect attention away from a mistake he has made --- inflation, $6,000 per night hotel room, RCMP procurment, shambles and government interference on the NS shooting, emergencies act --- take your pick his legacy of sink holes is huge.

All the best for the remainder of your day. Back out to the garage for me

Hugh;
Thanks for the reply sir, my goodness I wish I was closer as there's few things I like better than cutting up game. It's such a deeply satisfying task.

The government official was lying again unfortunately since any No 1, Mk V or Mauser "could" be rebarreled to take a cartridge which would exceed their magic joule number.

As an aside, whoever came up with that bit of illogical idiocy should be forced to walk in front of someone going into the pucker brush for a wounded large animal at least once. Well and if they survive that then twice.

The only reason I can come up with regarding the magic joules number is "they" don't want anyone having something like a .50BMG rifle, but that's just a guess on my part. In my opinion there is so little logic to be found in what "they" again PM Socks, Pinocchio Mendicino and Jimmy Dhaliwal are doing that I'm reduced to guessing you know?

The combined "they" cannot be that utterly out of touch to do this just for virtue signaling can they?

As far as true military equipment, if we didn't have any registered to us in 1977 I believe it was, then we couldn't be grandfathered and that's that. Nothing new of that classification has been available legally to Canadians who did not have the grandfathered status since then.

In the same way that when the 12-6 prohibition came in for handguns, if you had a .25 or .32 caliber handgun you were grandfathered and could only sell to others who were also grandfathered. I cannot pass them on with my estate even if my heirs are RPAL holders.

All of Canada is a safer place because my heirs will not be able to ever possess a .32 S&W 5 shot revolver. I am willing to make that sacrifice so "they" can sleep more soundly at night......

Hopefully the sarcasm was thick enough there for any and all. I mean all the gang bangers must be clamoring to pack a .32 S&W revolver for which no ammo has been available in the past 50 odd years right? Further crazy and ineffective virtue signaling for the uninformed at best.

Again I apologize that I'm seemingly consistently not bearing glad tidings at this time of year.

I'll say again that personally I do believe a sovereign God remains in control despite what "they" might think. I'll ask that folks inclined to do so would pray for us for strength, wisdom and then for peace as well.

Regardless of anyone's beliefs, I do wish you all the best this Christmas Season.

Dwayne

My Better Half asked me what I wanted for Christmas, I responded "A different Prime Minister!" Did anyone else ask for the same thing?

KillerBee;
Good afternoon again my friend, I still hope your fire's burning bright today as the quick search says you're at -21°? Ugh..

It's -12° here, but with the wind it feels a tad less of course and it's snowing - again/some more.

My goodness yes, I hope your Christmas wish is granted and then some.

It's tough for me to get into the spirit of the season when I'm having conversations with my daughter trying to figure out what we'll be legally hunting with next season you know?

And then of course I don't bloody know so there's that too.

Anyways, I'll say once more that I'm sorry not to have some good news once in awhile, it's not my preference to be quite this pessimistic and certainly not at Christmas.

Sincerely I do hope you and yours have a good Christmas Season though my friend, regardless of the "interesting times" we seem to be slogging through.

Dwayne

LOL, I hope you are on Santa’s “nice” list!

I guess we are going to find out hey? lol

Maybe you will get that, election in 2023....rumors.

I cannot agree more strongly and am hoping for Polievre with Ms. Lewis as "Justice Minister". But, what we REALLY NEED is a new Constitution and a "Second Amendment" clause therein.

Exactly ..... We need the RIGHT to own firearms, not the privilege.

Shooting in Toronto.
I bet Trudeau has a big time chubb this morning.

An obviously mentally-ill man who could and should have had his guns taken away legally years ago. Instead, this will be used to advance Castreau’s gun control agenda.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...ondo-building-shooting-near-toronto.html

Tragic for the families

No coverage in the news here on the gun being illegal --- yet the UK news is carrying this story

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-killed-Toronto-area-condo-shooting.html

Hugh;
Good evening to you sir, I hope you're keeping warm enough tonight and you're all well.

I'm shocked - shocked I tell you - that when PM Socks gave his soundbite to the news on the shooting he didn't mention that it was an unlawful firearm... Shocked I tell you...

Thanks for the link though, it's interesting to see that when media isn't paid by the government they can find some pertinent facts at least sometimes.

Best to you all this Christmas Season Hugh.

Dwayne

Remember how the media twists stuff, guys.

Castreau banned handguns, remember? Yes, if you had one before the ban, you’re grandfathered, but to the media banned means “illegal”. This guy does not fit the demographic or profile of someone who would acquire truly “illegal” guns.

I would bet my last dollar that this guy had an rPAL and the cops knew it. He was a nut job that was filing numerous frivolous lawsuits against the condo board for nutty stuff. Yet no one, the cops or the civil courts, bothered to step in.

As usual, laws already on the books aren’t enforced, while Castreau imposes new ones to harass law-abiding Canadians.

I was thinking the same thing. I was reading somewhere he was fined $30,000 (I forget what for) but a guy who is fined that much is a good candidate to snap. Laws that are not enforced are the cause of alot of problems.

Trudeau comes out and says they will be banning hunting guns and also choosing which ones are acceptable --- to him and his friends for now.

Do not know if you guys have seen this just was it this AM

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/tru...oo-dangerous-in-other-contexts-1.6201494

KB - is unbelievable how far backwards Canada has gone under this twit. Unfortunately we have not seen the bottom yet.

True, but as I have said many times in this thread, Canada has been sliding into oblivion for quite some time, it did not start with Trudeau JR.

We are a "Ruined Nation" our friends to the south are on the same path, only a miracle will save them from our fate now.

KB -- I have to agree with you. I do not see how any form of serious push back will come forward. Trudeau has divided urban / rural / racial groups and marginalized many. Gun owners are an easy target -- I would say the majority do not vote for Liberals so there no loss in picking on them as a form of taking attention away from other issues --- inflation, carbon tax, low employment, loss of investment, the list is long under this government. PP is focused on the gun issue now and the Liberals are getting a pass on others that affect many more people.

Hi Hugh, I just sent you a PM.

I am amazed that none of the groups: CCFR, NFA or CSSA have made mention about the fact that sport shooters have been attacked from day one by this criminal govt. Are not the folks who use the AR-15 and similar guns for 3 Gun or Long Range competition not "sport shooters"? What about IPSC or Cowboy Action shooters? Those are all sports. Yet Numbnuts keeps droning on and on about not targeting them or hunters. Now, he has finally admitted they are after hunting arms too.
Hopefully gun owners of all types will now finally awaken to the threats being faced!
Jeff

I sent an e-mail to the members of my deer hunting club asking them to write letters/e-mails to their MP and MPPs concerning Bill C-21 and amendments. I seriously doubt that more than one or two of the dozen will actually follow through and do this. Most gun owners are probably not comprehending the gravity of this bill and believe the legacy media that states the government isn’t after all guns.

I watched the video that Hugh posted of Trudeau explaining that he isn’t after all hunting guns and while I’m not a body language expert the erratic jerking movements of Trudeau while talking would lead me to believe he is a lying piece of sh*t.

Nick

I have a friend who owns 5-6 handguns and a variety of rifles. He is going to inherit another 50 handguns and another assortment of rifles, I said to him....what have you done to oppose Trudeau's grabs?
Nothing.

We need everyone or at least the highest number possible of opposition to the Bill, but that go's for some of the other issue's we are faced with.

It is refreshing to see the support from top down to the grassroots, alot of good people working really hard on this thing and we shouldn't settle for anything less than the scrapping of the entire Bill.

The NDP needs to be stopped and not just voted down.
People need to understand that Trudeau only has 30% of the vote.

troutfly;
Good morning to you Jeff, I see you all are about 10° colder than we are, so I hope the fire's lit and well stoked at your house and you're all well.

Since I've been a current member of the CCFR for years I get their feeds and emails. When Rod and Tracey did a submission to the committee and then a half hour press conference they did say that - that is that Socks and his Evil Minions have had a bone to pick with black rifles from the moment they got in.

Not that he's perfect, but Pierre Poilievre also said in a couple long form interviews - think the last time was Andrew Lawton on True North, but he also said in his Jordan Peterson interview that he'd scrap the firearm regulation setup and have a committee set up with industry, LEO, shooters and FN to make regulations that make sense.

I'd add that if anyone believes that Socks will be fine with you purchasing other firearms after he makes you turn in the ones you've safely had in your possession for decades, I've got some prime BC swamp land to sell you - on a flood plane....

Like my friend to the north of me 673, I'm somewhat hopeful when I see the grassroots support, but more is better and too much is just right.

Personally after the last few years, I'd like to see the Liberals reduced to 3rd party status - not the official opposition as in and see the NDP declare bankruptcy. And a big lump of frozen horse manure in their Christmas stocking because one can heat with coal so it'd be useful.

Merry Christmas to you all Jeff.

Dwayne

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Good evening Dwayne,

We are cold here for sure. Currently -27 plus a breeze. Doing our best to survive till the Chinook arrives sometime Christmas Eve, apparently accompanied by a large Winter storm, heavy snow North of me and snow/rain/freezing rain in my neck of the Prairie. All are well fed and healthy at least.

Rod and Tracey have been doing a bang-up job of keeping on top of the entire issue, hammering Socks and the Evil Minions relentlessly with facts. Love it!
Pierre is also doing a heck of a good job tacking the .gov to task. He will make a great Prime Minister.
I have been telling folks for years that the day was coming when the Liberals would come for everything we own. I wish more had listened!

It will be a happy day indeed when the Libs are reduced to 3rd party and the NDP destroyed. I do not envy the Conservatives when they have to come up with a plan to rebuild Canada while keeping everyone happy. I believe it can and will be done but it will be a monumental task for sure.

All the best to you and your family Dwayne.
Merry Christmas,
Jeff

I want to see the list of guns he dictates we use, will there be a limit you can own? He's just making this [bleep] up as he goes.

The fact a man like this got to be prime minister is reflective of the decadence and corruption of the entire gov't establishment and compliant sycophant major media networks.

Western separation is looking glorious, right about now.

AMEN!

"Western separation"? Alberta and Saskatchewan? BC votes NDP and Lib! Trudeau would come down with the War Measures Act once again! The REAL problem for ALL of Canada is urban society - the big cities that are getting bigger. These are the centers of murders, rapes, shootings, corruption, etc! It's Biblical - like Sodom & Gomorrah... like Jesus said it would become "In the last days"! And our PM's come from that milieu... that's not going to get better! Changing gun laws - or removing them isn't going to improve the human condition - Only Christ can do that! And gun "lovers" are no better than gun "haters" in that regard as there is as much rejection of God and his word among one group as the other!

I don't "like" the trends I see in the world, let alone Canada, but getting rid of Trudeau and his minnions will NOT bring a spiritual awakening to Canadians. There was such in Western Canada in the late '60s and early '70's, but what happened after that?

I don't like threats from the Government to steal my firearms more that anyone in the West of our nation, but guns isn't my god... GOD IS! And until we all repent and turn to Him in true faith, matters will not improve in any nation... including ours! After all, why are we living, for what reason? We, as individuals, will give an account to the only ONE that matters (Ecclesiastes 12: 9 - 14). Get to know what's in our Bibles, and its Author, for guns will not save us in that day that is fast approaching!

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Only a small chunk on the coast. It would make a nice gift to Wa state.

When it comes to Western separation, Ontarians often don’t get it, and that’s okay.


That would not end well for him.

Disagree. Calgary used to be the biggest small town you could imagine. The real problem is that society is turning its back on God.


True!


Disagree. Gun owners are overwhelmingly conservative, and christians are also overwhelmingly conservative. There’s a strong correlation between gun ownership and christianity.


Absolutely, but God has given us freedom and the right to defend that freedom. Guns are just the tool of the trade.

Very true!

Hi Jordan, you' re up early!

No offence intended, but an historical correlation between democracies and "godliness" has been short-lived. And democracies that have permitted gun ownership for citizens is a relatively "new thing". And while democracies, under God, has been better than autocracies without Him, democracies without Him is like the Book of Judges in the Bible, last verse: "In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as THEY saw fit. "-NIV, or KJV -"Everyone did what was RIGHT in his OWN EYES." (Emphasis mine). God never set up democracies, though He permitted it, and permits it until it runs amuck- just like in Israel ruled by the political establishment. A Theocracy was His way until "they" wanted a king - and God was offended, for He said "They have rejected me as their King"! It's no different today, regardless of politics. PP isn't going to change that even though he's from Calgary! And that's my sole point!

While I like him better than the Libs and NDPs offerings, he doesn't appear to have much time for God either! At least the hours I've given him on the Net, nothing has come out of his mouth to indicate that. Harper wasn't ashamed to be identified as a born-again Christian, and Preston more so, and I voted for each.

But to talk politics and guns, our present haven is the sovereignty of God and what He permits, and He uses people as the ultimate means. But I reject the notion of the Bible and guns having some kind of symbolic relationship, or for that matter: Christian and guns... Jesus to Peter: "put away your sword!" Yet he still had a sword - and Christ didn't say: "Give it to the guards"!

American Christian culture in the South has been, and IS very twisted! Bob Jones (evangelist) University refusing black students until forced by government to do so! And so on...

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

A puzzling post.
I don't think there is alot of disagreement with what you say generally, pretty sure an already overwhelming Christian gun owning community has already identified what the problem is.

What is the strategy you suggest for an already Christian gun owning culture at large?

I never paid much attention to this gentleman, should have, but I also have been wondering where the Christians are?.
A short video, pay attention around the 8:00min of the video.

https://rumble.com/v21rm6m-where-are-all-the-christians-in-the-fight-for-freedom-in-canada.html

Hi Bob, I appreciate your comments, and have a Question for you?

For the Record, I am not a Theologian. The Good book that I personally refer to is the Book of Mormon, Jesus is my Lord and savior.

Your comment: "And democracies that have permitted gun ownership for citizens is a relatively new thing"

What do you consider a “New Thing?

My understanding is that God has no issues with any type of weapon to feed yourself and your family. Also I do not know of any passage that states that are not permitted to protect yourself against enemies that are trying to irradicate you.

The real problem as I see it, which is similar to your view is that Canada is turning it's back on God and Christianity and a Nation that turns it's back on God and Christianity, is a "Ruined Nation".

Anyway, wishing you a Merry Christmas and a great New Year.

673:
Good morning my friend, I see by the light on that you've survived one more night of cold - as we have too apparently - I trust you and your fine family are healthy as well.

Thanks for that video, I appreciate it and honestly I have to think about what was said more before I formulate any coherent response.

I was tracking both Pastor Artur and Pastor James Coates in Edmonton who were both jailed during the lockdowns, in part through family who are ordained ministers, so it was hitting close to home let us say.

As we've chatted about, I still find it puzzling and not a little bit concerning that the supposed right leaning folks in Alberta allowed some of the fines and arrests like those and the kids playing hockey in an outdoor rink, etc. Here in the admittedly left of left land of BC we didn't go to those extremes - again puzzling.

If I'm remembering right, I've mentioned that I grew up attending a pacifistic church, not Mennonite but definitely pacifistic. When I'd discuss it with my late Father, he'd say for instance when Christ admonishes the disciples in the last supper to sell their cloak and buy a sword, that Christ was referring to the sword meaning the written word of God in that instance.

When I asked how Peter chopped the servant's ear off with a scroll, that was only one instance to glorify God and an anomaly.

So help me 673, I did not view it that way and remain that way.

When I read that two of the inner circle of disciples were packing swords - so today it would be a sidearm - a Glock no doubt - my conclusion is that Jesus not only knew about it but accepted it. They lived and traveled in an area of the world where as you put it once, everyone was conversant in the language of violence.

When Christ said to Peter to put the sword away, in that instance it was a specific instruction to allow God's plan to take place. For sure He said " “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." - but and this is my thought alone - we're all going to die somehow and in some way. Christ does not say if we die by the sword it in any way affects our eternal soul that I can see.

The other incident which leads me to believe that is Jesus' interaction with the Centurion. Especially Luke's writing of the story is interesting, as Luke was writing to Gentiles as well and it's telling - to me - that Christ didn't say, "Well you know you're a pretty bad fellow who leads a violent life. If you stop being a Centurion I could heal your servant, but as it stands you're not worthy"...

Again that's not what happened at all is it? I'll let anyone who is interested in some recreational reading to look up how one became a Centurion in the Roman Army, especially on the Judean frontier which was the wild west so to speak.

Anyways, that's where I'm at this morning regarding some of the stuff we're discussing. Like most things in life too, I could well be dead wrong about this too, but I will say I've given a lot of soul searching, prayer and reading to get to where I'm at. Again, that doesn't mean I'm right, for sure I've got family who remain pacifists and do not share my beliefs in this matter.

Merry Christmas to you all and all the best in the New Year.

Dwayne

The notion that we are not to defend ourselves/family is a retarded one.

673;
Morning again my friend, we're seeing the temperature rise a little bit down here and I hope it is up there too?

The idea of not defending ourselves, when explained to me by folks who believe that way, is sort of tied to martyrdom.

As I understand it, martyrs for the faith are highly esteemed and if we defend ourselves or others we're possibly preventing martyrdom for them and interfering with the sovereign will of God and/or God to provide a miraculous means of saving them from their deaths.

When I have been presented with that argument, my question has become, "How do you know God is not using me as the vessel to save someone?"

Anyways my friend, that's not much of an explanation, but perhaps the beginnings of one.

Again Merry Christmas and all the best in the New Year to you all.

Dwayne

The fact a man like this got to be prime minister is reflective of the decadence and corruption of the entire gov't establishment and compliant sycophant major media networks.[/quote]

How true, how sad and a disaster looms before us....

It may be the last straw that breaks the camel's back, so to speak.

KB,

It's funny you mention that. I believe that God's love for his various groups of children around the globe throughout history has resulted in multiple books of scripture. When righteousness prevailed and God called a prophet, He revealed truth to the world, which was recorded.

It just so happens that God addressed the notion of defending one's family and oneself from eradication and slavery in much of the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Some excerpts on this topic that I personally find very inspiring, and perhaps some of you guys will feel the same way, involve a Christian group of people who were trying to live their lives in peace and freedom, and another group called the Lamanites that wanted to enslave or eradicate the Nephites. Referring to a Lamanite leader, "...this he did that he might usurp great power over them, and also that he might gain power over the Nephites by bringing them into bondage..."

"And now the design of the Nephites was to support their lands, and their houses, and their wives, and their children, that they might preserve them from the hands of their enemies; and also that they might preserve their rights and their privileges, yea, and also their liberty, that they might worship God according to their desires.

For they knew that if they should fall into the hands of the Lamanites, that whosoever should worship God in spirit and in truth, the true and the living God, the Lamanites would destroy"

It came to a battle between the two groups, and the Lamanites were gaining advantage.

"Nevertheless, the Nephites were inspired by a better cause, for they were not fighting for monarchy nor power but they were fighting for their homes and their liberties, their wives and their children, and their all, yea, for their rites of worship and their church.

And they were doing that which they felt was the duty which they owed to their God; for the Lord had said unto them, and also unto their fathers, that: inasmuch as ye are not guilty of the first offense, neither the second, ye shall not suffer yourselves to be slain by the hands of your enemies.

And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion....

And it came to pass that they turned upon the Lamanites, and they cried with one voice unto the Lord their God, for their liberty and their freedom from bondage.

And they began to stand against the Lamanites with power; and in that selfsame hour that they cried unto the Lord for their freedom, the Lamanites began to flee before them..."

A couple of chapters later, referring to the same Lamanite leader, "Thus we see how quick the children of men do forget the Lord their God, yea, how quick to do iniquity, and to be led away by the evil one.

Yea, and we also see the great wickedness one very wicked man can cause to take place among the children of men....he was a man of cunning device and a man of many flattering words, that he led away the hearts of many people to do wickedly; yea, and to seek to destroy the church of God, and to destroy the foundation of liberty which God had granted unto them, or which blessing God had sent upon the face of the land for the righteous’ sake."

And a Nephite leader named Moroni inspired the Nephites with this, "he rent his coat; and he took a piece thereof, and wrote upon it—In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children—and he fastened it upon the end of a pole....(and he called it the title of liberty) and he bowed himself to the earth, and he prayed mightily unto his God for the blessings of liberty to rest upon his brethren, so long as there should a band of Christians remain to possess the land—

For thus were all the true believers of Christ, who belonged to the church of God, called by those who did not belong to the church."

Thanks for the reading Jordan, much appreciated!

Merry Christmas my friend ~

If someone see's harm being done to another innocent human being.
You should:
A. pretend like you don't see it.
B. intervene in some way.

It is a "right" given by God to self defense, and to use the force necessary to subdue the threat. The threat can be neutralized in seconds or maybe it takes several years, the onus is on the challenger.

It never gets boring, but I think the days of the passive Christian are near over.

All Canadian Outdoor Enthusiasts get a Lump of Coal from Ottawa this year.

The handgun transfer I started near the end of June finally went through, so I now own a CZ Shadow.

Barely used. Was thinking of taking it to the indoor range but figure at -15C it would take too long to get comfy even when I turned the furnace on.

All;
Good morning to you all, I hope Christmas was wonderful for you and yours and you're all well.

If anyone needed more evidence of Socks' ineptitude, here's some background on one of the "weapons of mass destruction" on the list.



The channel by the way is an automotive tech from Squamish I believe who decided to look for alternate stories during the convoy and it grew from there.

While I'm cognizant I'm preaching to the choir here, in the event that the choir have contacts who might need evidence to present to folks still on the fence regarding the going's on and all that.

All the best to you all in the New Year.

Dwayne

An interview and some really tough questions from the controlled opposition.

As much as I hate to say it, I dont think ANYTHING we do will make a difference here. We are dealing with a government that is willing to break the law, and ethics laws to get what ever they want.

If they are so willing to make deals with the NDP just to gain more control again, they will stop at nothing to get their agenda completed! Lets face it, they openly lie that hunting firearms are not included in the prohib plan, yet there they are, in black and white! Thats not even semantics! It is outright blatant deception!

Our countrys history is very peaceful, and therefore we as a populace never uprise in a violent nature. Look at the trucker convoy. Epically peaceful and typically Canadian in approach. But our government was distinctly violent to the people. And it was purposefully planned to be such! Rule by force, not debate. Isnt that a typical Lie-beral personality trait!?

I feel so bad for my sons futures! It doesnt look bright or cheerful! Western Canada needs to seperate, and create a viable future where respect for one another is commonplace. Not like it is now!

First off, don't quit fighting, for your Son's sake, its not over until you and others quit.

Have you addressed your MP? or an MLA in your area?...yes?...good...no?...
Have you joined a Political party, like the CPC?

I often wonder where the courage is that our forefathers had, it was getting embarrassing until the freedom convoy brought a certain level of dignity back, led by a 120lb Woman, think about it.

673;
Good afternoon and belated Happy New Year to you my friend, I hope you all had a great Christmas.

Absolutely a hearty AMEN from me that we don't quit fighting. Not while we have one breath left in us, not now, not ever.

Here's one of your favorite lionhearted folks - she hunts apparently too.



Best to you all this year.

Dwayne

Read a couple of reports today that PEI has been selected as the trial run for the buy-back (confiscation) program to be run by the RCMP. Using PEI as a lessons learned to then do to the other provinces.

Makes sense as a Atlantic Liberal strong hold with few seats to lose and most likely not a lot of the targeted long guns plus low shooting crime stats so no one can quickly point at the failure.

Also PEI little news comes out of and it will be easy to control the MSM

Hi Hugh, I trust your Monday has been great and that you are primed for the week ahead.

The problem as I see it is that not only is PEI a Liberal Strong Hold, but we are now living in a country that is a complete Liberal Strong Hold.

This has been done intentionally through the mass immigration flow into Canada, and it was done to guarantee the liberal vote as immigrants are more likely than not to vote for Liberals.

We are in for a rough ride!

KB

You are exactly right Hugh.
I have received replies to the letters I have sent, it is going to be interesting for sure.
I won't comply with any gun grab and I don't know anyone in my very large circle that will ever comply.

673;
Morning my friend - good news for a change.



Apparently they didn't like their desks covered in angry letters.

Good - keep the pressure on folks. If you're not at least sending money to organizations like the CCFR, I'd ask you consider it.

Thanks to all who've signed up, written letters, etc.

Dwayne

Hi Dwayne thanks for posting the video.

Had to look up G4, in case someone wants to know:

What is amendment G4 to Bill C-21?

The G4 amendment is a broad and sweeping ban on semi-automatic rifles and shotguns, as well as multiple lever action and bolt action rifles – all of which are hunting rifles used by hunters, farmers, and First Nations people to provide for their families.

KB

KillerBee;
Morning to you my cyber friend, and for once it is truly a better morning if only for the fact some of us are starting to wake up.

The language of the amendments and C-21 as a whole absolutely encompassed all firearms.

They use the term "variant" and because a flintlock has a trigger and a barrel - they'd make the case that it's a variant of anything on the list.

They did it with Weatherby Mk V and Ruger No 1 so if someone thinks that all firearms aren't on the table they're deluding themselves.

We're playing for all the marbles here - property rights in Canada - is the end game I believe and have for years.

Anyways, hopefully enough of us are awake now.

We'll see won't we?

Dwayne

All;
This news conference made me chuckle so I thought I'd share.

In particular his answer to the CBC reporter was priceless.



Keep engaged folks, this was just another round and we're in the corners getting water and some smelling salts.

Best to one and all.

Dwayne

Thanks for that Dwayne, that is good news.
Yes letters do matter and are the required peaceful avenue of approach prior to the next level of resistance.
I have little to no use for apathetic people on any subject regarding traditional Canadian values.

We have to crush the Liberal and NDP agenda in this Country, both Federal and Provincial. We can start by becoming involved in all level of politics from the library board to the Federal mandate, after all.... they do.

I and others will not be satisfied until the entire BillC-21 is repealed in its entirety.

Very proud of those who dropped the gloves for their fellow sportsmen.
When an issue such as tyranny regarding our guns needs to be addressed in Canada, it needs to be met with the combined Native Canada and the mainstream populace, that in my view is involving a Constitutional component.

673;
Morning sir, thanks for the reply.

There is nothing in your post I do not echo 100%.

I've been madly texting connections all across 3 provinces about this, letting them know and encouraging them to keep the pressure on.

Was telling one that I was laughed at in a gun club meeting in '81 or maybe it might have been '84 when I said "They want them all".

The old boys said that "they" were never coming for their Husky .270 and besides nobody needed a black rifle. As it turns out, Husky is a "Mauser sporter" variant and they bloody well did come for it. I assured this person as long as I've got two functioning brain cells and a pulse this is one struggle I'm in for the long haul. I mean after 42 years it's a bit of way of life now after all.

You are correct, we need to become involved and engaged at all levels of government.

For sure taking away my handguns won't make anyone any safer at any time - all of C-21 needs to be binned as you've said.

I'd like to get the RCMP out of the role of deciding what bothers Murray Smith or his replacement today and what does not as well.

Again I'll suggest that anyone reading this from Canada who isn't a member of CCFR, NFA or CSSF should give it some hard consideration as to why not.

Best to you all.

Dwayne

Good news! The Government has withdrawn the proposed amendment to C-21 that included hunting rifles and shotguns!

Bob
www.bigbores.ca

Very good news, just one battle in an endless war to keep lawfully owned firearms in this country. Thanks to all those that got involved in whatever capacity.

Nick

While it is nice that 2 amendments were dropped the bill is still moving forward. Nothing has been stated about the ever-greening clause or the other bad amendments / wording.

So is this a small victory or a classic case of bait and switch to relief pressure while still getting the main document through?

This Liberal / NDP coalition is the worst government in the history of Canada and they know how to play people using the media. This to me is a classic play

Hugh;
Top of the morning to you sir, I trust you're getting decent weather on this first Friday of February.

Hopefully you'll forgive me for a bit of a cut and paste exchange on a BC forum.

"Round Buoy said:
Things that were reconfirmed today:
1) CBC is panicking and so biased it’s unbelievable. They must go!
2) The NDP would do the same if they had a majority.
3) Pierre is on fire and the rest of political world is reeling.
4) Liberals cannot be honest. Ever.
Glad we won this round but the fight never goes away.


Round Buoy;
Morning to you sir, I hope you're well out on your section of the world - you're not in the Gar anymore right?

Anyways random thoughts from an over caffeinated semi-geezer this morning regarding your list.

1. Amen, can't happen soon enough - Jan. 31, 2023 would be good.

2. This mess is brought to us by the NDP - which some of us pointed out to them in our letters. It's on their heads that we're here because their leader has decided that he likes the prospect of a fat pension which will continue to allow him to wear $5000 suits and $10,000 watches. This is squarely on them.

3.The one good thing about O'Toole losing the last election is that it's brought forth Pierre as a leader for sure, but others like Dane Lloyd, Raquel Dancho, Larry Brock and Melissa Lantzman have impressed me. Ms. Dancho is a pit bull but an exceptionally bright one, as is Ms. Lantzman.

4. No, not ever apparently - and none of them can read either - sorry for repeating myself but can any of them read?

Best to you this weekend.

Dwayne"

Thanks for reading this far Hugh and no we can't trust them in any way, shape or form and yes this is likely a bait and switch as well as an election tactic.

They are at very least the very worst government in the time I've been alive, no question.

Since they are subsidizing the media to such an extent that unbiased reporting is impossible on most issues, it's one of the few things that side does well - use what they've bought that is. They do have the media helping them though, there is that.

Lastly I'll continue to suggest that both sides are in our respective corners now, getting a drink, having the cuts attended to and awaiting the bell. The bell is going to ring because we've all still got the gloves on and both sides know this isn't over.

Perhaps there are enough of us who have been paying attention when they showed us their cards this time?

Let's hope and pray so and as always, we'll see.

Best to you all.

Dwayne

The amendments were smoke to cover the true intent...the handguns.
Nothing less than a complete repeal.

I think so, too. Scrap C-21.

You hit the nail on the head Dwayne, we have very weak property rights in Canada. This corrupt government has floated the idea that there should be no private property, the government would grant you right to occupy your home, if you complied with them. The Covid pandemic confusion provided cover for this idea and I think it was missed by most.

In 2019, there was some infringement on firearms ownership in the USA or Canada. It was a topic at lunch. I was saying that the infringement had to be fought as it would but one step towards the banning of all firearms. A young man in 30s poo pooed that that would never happen, I was an idiot for being an alarmist. I hate to say I was right.

At one point, I bought into the concept of "globalism". I didn't see anything wrong with. That was before I realized that many of our political "leaders" did not have the best interests of their country or citizens at heart. Think of all the manufacturing jobs shipped overseas for one example. The companies got richer, but we can't make our own medicines.

I've long ago thought that the UN was useless, corrupt and dangerous (witness the twisted gun statue outside the UN building in NYC), but they've gotten so much worse. Now the elites have the WEF to bow down to. Currently, the WEF is the most dangerous organization to western society. They must be stopped. When the UCP had their leadership election in 2022, I asked the candidates if they supported the WEF. To their credit, they did not. There is nothing that the WEF promotes that is in NE BC, Alberta or Saskatchewan's best interest. Nor Canada's.

Canada would be better off if we withdrew from the UN and the WEF.

Anyway, I'm glad for today's announcement, but there is much more work to be done.

Dwayne, thanks for the inclusion on your reply on the other site. I tend to agree with you on all points.

I use the word tend in that Personally I am more emphatic in the distrust of anyone in the NDP caucus. When a party signs an agreement to prop up a government that is beyond morally corrupt they then in my view are worse.

I did send through a number of emails and letters to members in all parties on C21 not addressing the issue of crime and instead focusing law abiding citizens when it first came. My anger mounted with the sneaky amendments and flat out lies coming out of Liberal mouths.

The problem now is the press. The CBC has a spin going the C21 was repealed. I watch a video of PP challenging the CBC reporter on this and saying that the CBC was carrying water for Trudeau again. The spin of the press will make it seem that the Liberals listened and pulled back. This will appease the unknowing voters.

As others have stated the pressure needs to continue and get the OIC / C21 repealed in their entirety.

I am glad the PC’s finally have a leader that will stand up, openly call out Trudeau for the moron he is and the dishonest press.

All the best for the day

This is great news however, it is all about smoke and mirrors. I haven't seen the tweet myself but I received an update from Alberta Minister of Justice Tyler Shandro reported on a twee sent out by Mendicino shortly after the Liberals "Recinded" the amendments which makes it clear that the govt has only paused the campaign to ban our commonly used hunting arms and that they are drafting a clear solution. Bait and switch is in play in a big way I am afraid.
Plus, there is the rest of C21 and the 2020 ban to get rid of still.
Stay vigilant my friends!
Jeff

Jeff;
Good afternoon sir, I hope you're getting decent weather out on the flatlands and you're all well.

For sure it's smoke and mirrors.

They that is PM Socks, Rolex Singh and the BQ aren't backing down truly, just regrouping.

The handgun and AR variant issue hasn't moved.

Again I'll use the analogy that both sides are in our corners waiting for the bell.

They have an agenda and ours is just as clear - they hope for our demise through attrition and legislation and we're reciprocating.

I'd like nothing better than the majority of Canadians to wake up to what the left are up to and then leave their ranks. As well I'd like some rights enshrined in a meaningful Canadian bill of rights that the whim of parliament can't undo.

We'll see.

All the best and thanks for your efforts in the task at hand.

Dwayne

Good afternoon Dwayne,
It's a beautiful, warm day on the bald azz prairie today. I wish I had been able to get outside and hunt some rabbits, or, better yet, put my cougar tag to good use as the season closes in about 8 weeks. Unfortunately, I have to get myself together to start a set of night shifts tomorrow.

You Sir are very correct in your assessment. We need to catch our breath in preparation for the next assault on our lifestyle. I just read a statement by a Liberal lackie who only mentioned hunters, farmers and First Nations about firearms. It seems that they are no longer even acknowledging sport shooting here.

Hopefully, when the Conservatives win the next election, they will enshrine some rights into the Charter that give us property rights, including firearms. If there ever was a potential window of opportunity for this to happen, it will under Pierre's leadership.
Have a great evening my friend.
Jeff

Jeff, Marco Mendinico was expressing strong support for all aspects of C 21 as late as last Friday - Jan 27th. In an interview today he stated that he will bring back the two clauses with revised wording.

They just keep chipping away

I just saw on CKDR Radio's website. "Ottawa's backing down{.

No they aren't, they are regrouping. Their true intent was the handguns, they only implemented the amendments as a ruse to make it look like a victory for gun rights when they back down.

Continue with the intent to expose and destroy the sex offender and towel heads supporters, do not comply.

Hi Hugh,
Thanks for that. I missed the interviews as I'm working nights.
I suspect as much though. Change the wording to make it more "palatable"
yet punish us even more so.
Jeff

Well here comes the buy back program. Not surprising that some of the Liberal Mayors -- Edmonton and Calgary are on board to participate. Poor voting gets these types of results.

https://firearmrights.ca/feds-advance-gun-confiscation-program/

you thought it was over ... at least hunters now are getting what the shooters are dealing for a while now.

Personally I never thought this was over from the time Allan Rock pushed forward with the gun control legislation. There really is nothing more persistent than a Liberal or a NDP - MP or leader pushing forward a bad idea. They simply refuse to acknowledge open discussion and facts that are opposite to their feelings.

Hugh;
Morning sir, I hope it's a decent day on your side of the big hills and you're all well.

Thanks for your post, I appreciate it.

As I've mentioned I've been involved with contending with the powers that be in Ottawa over stupid and ineffective firearms laws since about '84 when I got involved in the executive of the local gun club.

I recall putting a Mk II target pistol in the hands of our local MP when he came out to a meeting at the club - the look on Jack's face was priceless - and asking him just how many people did he believe were going to rob anything with something like that? He was a lawyer by training and a politician after that - NDP if I'm not wrong.

When the obviously equally ineffective long gun registry was starting up there were protest meetings all over Canada as I recall - there had to be 5000 people in Kelowna. Alan Rock famously said regarding the crowd that showed up in Ottawa - "we don't count heads"....

They, that is to say the leftist leaning parties, believe they know what's best for us all and we who do not lean that direction see things differently don't we?

As you say, it's all about their "feelings" and has little to nothing to do with facts.

Anyways sir, from a semi-old guy who's been in it awhile too, I appreciated your post.

All the best.

Dwayne

673;
Good afternoon to you sir, I trust all is well with you and your fine family.

If you've not seen this, here's one of our favorite MP's in committee speaking on our behalf.

I've emailed her office and thanked her and need to again.

As you know I've got a soft spot for smart ladies from Manitoba.

She has such a no-nonsense approach that I respect.



All the best to you all this February long weekend.

Dwayne

I was wondering if the Turd can hang in there long enough to make any of this a reality.

This will be another week of all eyes on a PM and political entity that is in turmoil. About 2 min after the EA report came out friday there was alot of hackles up lol, wagons circled.

I like Jim, of course he is right, the G/O industry is a huge economic driver, so is the massive shooting sports in Canada. The effect on the social network is massive, from the common man to the highest level in any of the mentioned industries.

A favorable outcome is going to require the unifying of the user groups, I think, for real this time.

673 here's hoping this one from HG Wells rings true. With the unplanned large protests in Ottawa that started on Friday and the push back occuring on a number of fronts other than just gun control ---- election interfernce, another ethics violation, the obvious set-up on the EA review --- I am starting to get hopeful that Eastern Canada is getting to a point of change.

The anniversary protests.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/protester...sary-of-freedom-convoy-removal-1.6279840

“Counter-protesters were also on the hill to oppose the pro-convoy demonstrators.
"(I'm here to) show solidarity with the LGBTQ+ community and remind the convoy that Ottawa doesn’t appreciate their actions," said Gary, who did not give his last name. "We remember what we they did to us a year ago."

WTF?????? The Freedom Convoy had nothing to do with LGBTQ+. Do those narcissists have nothing more to do than make everything about “me, me, me!!” Why does the media even need to insert that into the story? Obviously they’ve learned nothing about why people distrust them.

I thought I would post the only response I recieved on letters written to provincial and federal politicans on C-21 This is from Tyler Shandro and notes that Minister Mendicino saw the withdraw as a pause in the campaign to ban commonly used firearms for hunting and shooting sports.

I have not recieved, nor do I expect to, responses from my Federal NDP representative or from Minister Mendicino.




Ministry of Justice
8:16 AM (1 hour ago)


Thank you for your correspondence to myself and/or the Honourable Danielle Smith, Premier of Alberta; ministers of the Crown; members of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta; regarding Bill C-21. Although it has not been possible to correspond individually with every Albertan in a timely manner, as the Minister of Justice, I appreciate the opportunity to provide the following information.

On September 1, 2021, Teri Bryant was appointed as the chief firearms officer (CFO) for Alberta to better represent the interests of law-abiding hunters, sport shooters, and collectors in Alberta. As the CFO, Ms. Bryant advocates for evidence-based policy changes to the federal Firearms Act to ensure the application of legislation and regulations are primarily focused on safety and reducing violent crime.

As Minister of Justice I have taken the following steps to further address the overreach by the federal government:

· I have responded to the Honourable Minister Mendicino, federal Minister of Public Safety, by telling him that Alberta will not assist the federal government in any effort to strip away the lawfully obtained personal property of our citizens.

· Alberta has succeeded in its efforts to achieve intervener status in six ongoing judicial review applications, which challenge the federal firearms prohibitions. By intervening, Alberta will be able to participate in the legal proceedings and contribute to arguments based on the specific challenges the federal legislation has created for Alberta's law-abiding firearm community.

· Alberta is exercising our existing authorities to identify the confiscation program as an activity that is not appropriate for Royal Canadian Mounted Policed (RCMP) enforcement. As such, I have written a letter to the commanding officer of the RCMP in Alberta to advise that, pursuant to the Provincial Police Service Agreement (PPSA), the confiscation program is not an objective, priority, or goal of the province or the provincial police service (Article 6.0). Despite these actions, the federal government may still direct the RCMP to serve as confiscation agents. If this occurs, Alberta will invoke Article 23.0 of the PPSA, which outlines a dispute mechanism to address a direction or intention that contravenes the PPSA.

Further to our current efforts, Alberta has introduced and passed the Alberta Sovereignty within a United Canada Act. This act will defend Alberta’s interests by giving us a legal framework to push back on federal laws or policies that negatively impact the province. It will be used to address federal legislation and policies that are unconstitutional, violate Albertans’ charter rights or that affect or interfere with our provincial constitutional rights. This legislative framework and democratic approach will allow for defending the federal-provincial division of powers while respecting Canada’s Constitution and the courts.

Alberta has taken additional steps as of January 1, 2023, by taking back constitutional jurisdiction to use Alberta’s Crown prosecutors to handle federal criminal law charges, particularly those regarding possession of firearms when a licenced individual is:

· accused of lawfully obtaining the firearm or prohibited device prior to May 1, 2020;

· the firearm device was reclassified as prohibited on May 1, 2020; and

· the accused has not been charged with any other offences related to the possession or use of that firearm.

Alberta will ensure that Crown prosecutors take public safety into consideration when assessing whether charges against otherwise law-abiding citizens are appropriate.

Premier Smith has also commented on the possibility that Alberta will draft its own Firearms Act, to help regulate property and civil rights of firearms owners within Alberta. We will continue to challenge the amendments to Bill C-21, when proposed by the federal government, as long as they continue to overstep our jurisdictional authority.

On February 3, 2023, the federal government opted to withdraw amendments to Bill C-21 that would ban hundreds of thousands of shotguns and rifles. This statement was clarified by Minister Mendicino as merely a pause in their campaign to ban shotguns and rifles commonly used by hunters, farmers, sport shooters, and Indigenous Peoples in Canada. Minister Mendicino is still intent on continuing to pursue avenues to ban widely owned shotguns and rifles.

Alberta is leading the charge in responding to the federal government’s efforts to criminalize law-abiding firearms owners, as it has become increasingly clear that further action will need to be taken to respond to the federal government’s hostility towards hunters, farmers, sport shooters, and Indigenous Peoples.

You can continue to stand up for responsible gun owners in Alberta and Canada by contacting your member of Parliament and raising your valid concerns regarding Bill C-21. By doing this you can educate them on the fundamental flaws that exist in the approach taken by the current federal government and have the direct opportunity to influence policy.

Once again, thank-you for your interest in this important topic and for contacting Alberta’s government to express your concerns.

Sincerely,

Honourable Tyler Shandro, KC

Minister

If I am to understand correctly, there are/were 11 Liberal MP's that may have benefitted from foreign interference regarding our elections.
If Trudeau refuses to answer any of the questions regarding this election interference, then we have to assume it is true.

Then we can assume that there is a foreign entity pushing the gun grab, not a question, a statement.

BillC-21 is foreign influence to initiate the disarming of the Citizenry.......... why comply?

Redgwell chimed in to defend his heros yet?

673;
Good morning to you my friend, I hope you all aren't getting snow like we are - enough already!! - but regardless I hope you're all well.

Over the years I've made it pretty clear how much I distrust the Canadian legacy media and Canadian polling companies. When they are both stating that up to 75% of Canadians believe this is a major concern and that Shiny Pony isn't dealing with it in a satisfactory manner, that's truly saying something, taking into account how they both have been carrying Socks' water for the past 8 years, is it not?

The number seems to be 11 from most sources.

Someone, might have been Pierre Poilievre and Tom Mulcair both actually, that if CSIS is pumping this stuff out to the Globe and Mail and now Global News, they have to be more than a little bit concerned.

Regarding it being a foreign directed gun grab, if anyone can't see that at very least outside influences are pushing an agenda, there might be no hope for them to see any light whatsoever. They may be beyond help.

Lately I've had a few enlightening conversations with people from vastly different walks of life about a variety of topics. Since most people know me as a hunter and a "gun guy" they're not scared to bring the subject up to me. I was not shocked in any way whatsoever to learn that there were a number of people who are doing the exact opposite of what C-21 was hoping for, that is to remove firearms from the general population.

Hopefully enough of us have been awakened enough to the duplicity and outright lies being foisted upon us, but as mentioned the last couple of months have been educational for me to say the least.

We'll see.

As always I'll end asking for prayer or good thoughts for us to have the wisdom to know what our best course is.

All the best.

Dwayne

Should be along anytime

Thanks Dwayne.
Things seem weird, I wonder how they will try to divide the firearms community?

673;
Good evening to you sir, I hope the day went okay for you despite admittedly strange days.

Last night I was listening to Andrew Lawton on True North interview the Alberta Chief Firearms officer Teri Bryant who was saying that currently even though Alberta and Saskatchewan are taking steps not to seize the AR/AK/FN FAL firearms currently since Ottawa has unlawfully cancelled the registrations on them, one cannot move - anywhere - with them technically.

Not even down the street in the same province, much less to Alberta or Saskatchewan with them.

It's a cluster of epic proportions that they've created and frankly they just do not care that they've done so. I say that simply based on the belief that if they did, they would not have done what they did - but they did.

Some of the hunting community are waking up now since the Lib/NDP/BQ coalition let the C-21 details slip out that that yes indeed, they do want them all.

There is a whole lot of interest in firearms ownership by people who never cared about it previously as I mentioned.

That I see as a positive because it might mean more people with some skin in the game and perhaps a reason to start paying attention.

We'll see.

All the best.

Dwayne

I have fully suspected that the continous pushes by Liberal governments over the last 20-30 years to confiscate our guns has a substantial
amount of foreign "influence" attached to it. NWO involvement, the latest Chinese influences in our system included. We need to rid the country of all these forms of corruption so Canada can once again be Canada.
I chuckled when I read the announcement from Trudeau about creating a Foreign Agent Registry. Really.....spies are going to "out" themselves by signing onto the registry?
Jeff

It would seem the only reason I would vote for the Conservatives is the firearms, otherwise they are just as lame as the other parties in pretty much every way. One does get weary over the political football firearms have become, looks like it will remain a political football.

Who else would you vote for rather than conservatives? Just curious. Have not read the entire thread

The Peoples Party of Canada (PPC).
Their platform is what we need in Canada, trouble is they have no seats in the house. I like Max Bernier, the media is against him for obvious reasons, but if they are going to go anywhere they need to run better candidates.

Another massive problem is the 5-6 party system we have simply amounts to wasted votes on ridiculous candidates with bizarre platforms.

They have a good platform, its here.
https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/

... the CPC talks a good game BEFORE the election while people are angry and the $donations are rolling in but will do a double flip flop at the last minute like O'Toole did just before the last election ... they're ALL full of BS

Sadly, you are not wrong.
Its the political football firearms has become, and has been allowed to become every election cycle that has me thinking we are being played.

CPAC is your friend if you can stomach it, all week, the Liberals are getting a beatdown on the foreign interference by all parties.

They have lost all credibility, in this case, their gun grab should be looked into by CSIS as well......a foreign attempt to change traditional Canadian values....smelling pretty fishy.

Just wanted to say that I am proud of all of my fellow Canadians that are posting here for contacting the government, being proactive, and making sure that your voices are being heard.

I have learned a few things here from you guys so thank you!

Moving forward, I will take a proactive stance as well.

Have a great weekend everyone!

KB

I am also proud of my fellow Canadians, sometimes you gotta go into the corners and get the elbows up, they have done that.

... I'll vote CPC in the next election just because they are NOT the Liberals or the NDP but I'm under no illusion that the CPC even if they defy the odds and win a majority mandate will repeal bill c21 or the May 2020 OIC ... THEY WON'T ... you're right "we are being played"

How do you know they won't?

Yesterday I had a gentleman knock on my door at home, his name is Sayid Ahmed, he asked me to vote for him. I posted picts of the flyer he left me.

He asked me for money to support him, I told him that he should be paying me for voting for him. He also asked me if he could plant his sign in front of my house I said NO

Because Danielle Smith stood up against C-21, do I have a choice?

Would you vote for him, just curious?

KB

... they're all pretty much FULLOVIT ... they'll tell you anything you want to hear to get your vote

Yes, I would vote for him. I like what Danielle Smith is doing and standing up to the Liberals in Ottawa. I only wish Ontario’s Conservatives could grow a pair. I did contact my Ontario MPP on backing the western response to bill C-21 and got an automated bounce back response thanking me. I have yet to receive anything else from him. At least you westerners have politicians that still believe in conservative values.

Nick

I will be voting for him, but not because of him, I will be voting for Danielle Smith because of her position against C-21.

The fact is I always vote, and I always vote for Conservatives. If Kermit The Frog had come to my door, I would be voting for Kermit. lol

KB

... Doug Ford is a liberal in conservative clothing ... he won't stop the OPP from enforcing the bans

I told the gentleman that I knew more about politics in North America than he ever would, and he smiled and laughed. After he laughed, I asked him if I could test his knowledge. He failed every question I asked him.

So now I have to vote for a politician that does not even know as much as I do. I just hope Danielle Smith keeps up her good work because her underlings don't know that much.

KB

TIME TO VOTE THE OUT!

He has to be to get elected in Ontario.

The voters there and most other places in Canada would have nothing to do with real conservative fiscal and social policies.

Blame the voters. Most are not qualified to vote and only vote for what they can get from big social programs, NOT for what's best for Canada.

Nearly half of Ontario’s voters are in the Toronto area. In order to govern Ontario you must appease the urban masses of the GTA. This province was once a bastion of conservative values and elected Bill Davis’ Conservatives for decades. I do not think I’ll ever see a true Ontario Conservative party again. They will position themselves in the centre and lean left on issues such as gun control.

Nick

... it's a hand to mouth existence for many Ontarians ... they will vote for the few crumbs & freebies the Liberals are promising them NOW ... long term economic forecasting or owning expensive guns are foreign concepts to those standing in line at food banks and looking forward to going home to unheated homes ... Trudeau is grabbing all the guns as fast as he can because he's afraid of the population which is growing increasingly frustrated and angry with the economic disaster his governments policies have created ... the current Canadian government has all the qualifying earmarks of a "tyrannical regime"

... immigration has a lot to do with the rapid rise of "gunophobia" in urban Canada ... a lot of the immigrants come from tight gun control jurisdictions where only the top echelon of the elite have access to firearms and private grass roots ownership of guns is a foreign concept ... jurisdictions just like Canada will be within 5 years ... if you guessed that this was part of the Liberal disarmament plan you'd be right

... QUITE TRUE ... ... back in the early 90s it was possible to elect a right wing party in Ontario like the Mike Harris PCs ... immigration has mostly changed that sociopolitical dynamic ... it's almost impossible to wean second and third generation working poor/welfare families off the nanny state teats ... fast food chains are raking in the $$$ employing thousands of immigrants at minimum (below living standard) wages

I don't hear much about the guns and the families who's lives are enriched by firearms much recently.

I wonder how much influence (interference) China had to do with the gun grab?....my answer.......everything.

673;
Morning sir, I see your light is on and hope the fire is lit and coffee is hot up there as it is down here.

If you've not seen former Alberta CO and National Park ranger Blaine Calkins testify, it's pretty good.



There was a sporty exchange with Linda Keijko last week too. She's an Olympic pistol competitor as well as being an engineer and a few other things in real life. Pam Damoff is no match for her anyways..

All the best.

Dwayne

Dwayne, I hope spring is coming your way.

Thanks for video. I watched Linda Keijko and Pam Damoff. Ms Damoff was totally embarrassing in her statements.

In particular the one statement where she stated that Ms Keijko (paraphrasing) was one person using a firearm and at times the country needed to move away from the individual to the needs of the country. Essentially Ms Damoff in a minority government feels she determines what is right for all of Canadians.

Sad times

Hugh;
Top of the morning to you sir, I hope that wherever this finds you it finds you well. If you're home on your side of the big hills then you're almost as warm as we are so that's decent.

The leftist folks have - in my opinion and experience anyways Hugh - always felt that they know what's best for all of us and believe with all their heart and soul they know what is right.

Way back in the day when over 10,000 firearm owners marched on Parliament Hill to protest the upcoming long gun registry, then Minister of Injustice Allan Rock was asked what he thought about that many of his fellow citizens taking issue with his actions.

His curt reply Hugh, as I remember it, was "I don't count heads"....

Fast forward to a conversation I had with the PAL/RPAL instructor/examiner coordinator of BC who mentioned to me that as far as he was aware I was giving the least expensive PAL/RPAL courses in western Canada and possibly in all of Canada. He wanted to know why it was I was doing so obviously at a financial loss when all the cost considerations were in.

I replied that each and every PAL/RPAL holder I certified was my personal poke in Allan Rock's eye because I actually did count heads....

The conversations I had with that chap often went sideways Hugh, he was him and I was and still am me.

Perhaps he won because I withdrew as an instructor/examiner after a few years, but remained active in the BC Hunter Safety Course because for the most part they remained true to their initial objective.

Oh - the coordinator said specifically that we as instructor/examiners could not say anything negative about government firearms regulations in class Hugh, that was one of the straws that broke the camel's back with me. My response was that they could audit my classes any old time they chose to leave their hallowed halls and wander down the highway into the wild BC interior.

They never did do that as far as I'm aware, to nobody's surprise of course.

Anyways Hugh, thanks for reading a bit of my back story and how I arrived at where I'm at today with some of the folks who are "on the other side" shall we say.

Best to you.

Dwayne

... what MP proposed the controversial amendment to bill c21?

pricedo;
Morning to you, or at least it's still morning here in south central BC. Regardless of the time for you, I hope you're well.

Here's a link to confirm, but it was MP Paul Chiang from Ontario who did it.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-bill-c21-gun-law-amendment-assault-firearms/

Without further comment on anything about anything, when he was tasked with introducing the amendments my spider senses redlined and then some.

Now with the most recent revelations, they're going to need a liquid intercooler attached, you know?

I hope I'm wrong, but need to be shown where I am at this point.

All the best.

Dwayne

edit to add;

wiki link on Paul Chiang.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Chiang_(politician)

Greetings Dwayne,

Life on the wide-open, bald azz prairie is crazy as ever. Still fighting the good fight for our rights and freedoms.
At least, the temperature has finally risen above freezing today! Headed for +7 even.

I hate to say it but, the moment I saw who was introducing the amendments I smelled foreign influence, and, that was long before the current revelations broke thanks to the hero at CSIS. I would love to be proven wrong but I fear that the Chinese govt has wormed its way deep into our govt and our very way of life even.
Maybe it has to do with the long, cold Winter we have had and I just need to clear my head with a fly-rod on a trout stream, I don't know. BS smells like BS and sugar coating it doesn't make it a brownie.....

All the best for today,
Jeff

I don't know who proposed that, good question, that can probably be found out. The entire bill is wrong and should be scrapped.

There was 11 MP's who were implicated by the whistleblower.
All those involved with Bill C-21 are enemies of Canada and traditional Canadian values in my view.

This scum bag lol.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bill-c21-sporting-guns-1.6673730

... and you wonder if China is involved?

LOL
I was reading where they said it was racist to suggest their was any Chinese types involved with election interference. Even the Chinese foreign minister said they dindo nuffin.

... and look where Canadians apathetic "heads in the sand" politically correct to a fault attitude has got them ... they're weeks and months away from complete civilian disarmament and yet most (even the majority of Canadian gun owners) won't admit that there is a PROBLEM