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If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. #17859226 12/01/22
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 23,034 Likes: 6 SW Montana V VarmintGuy OP Campfire Ranger
OP VarmintGuy Campfire Ranger V Joined: May 2003 Posts: 23,034 Likes: 6 SW Montana	This is an absolutely RIGHT ON article by Victor Davis Hanson. Pointing out the sad realities that are occurring today. LINK: https://townhall.com/columnists/vic...y-wanted-to-destroy-the-us-then-n2616602 I fear for the future of this country. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. VarmintGuy #17859287 12/01/22
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Esox357 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 10,784 Likes: 1 Good Life	Until the corrupt officials are gone, this is what will continue.

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. VarmintGuy #17859380 12/01/22
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260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,212 OMAHA	The Keystone pipeline was going to move tar sand bitumen, a very dirt crude product that requires more extensive refining than common crude product. Once refined at a higher cost and with a greater potential for a negative environmental impact it was going to be exported out of the U.S., not added to the domestic supply. IOW, the Keystone Pipeline would add nothing of value to the U.S. market. I would support the Keystone Pipeline if the tar sand was refined in Canada and only refined product flowed through it.

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. VarmintGuy #17859405 12/01/22
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22250rem Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 10,497 Western NY State	Right on, indeed. I've been saying for years now that this nation has become too fat, dumb, and happy. The "dumbing down" of America has been going on for over 5 decades now and is coming to fruition. Or as I often say; "Welcome To The Great Society".

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. 260Remguy #17859412 12/01/22
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rickt300 Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 13,430 Texas	Originally Posted by 260Remguy The Keystone pipeline was going to move tar sand bitumen, a very dirt crude product that requires more extensive refining than common crude product. Once refined at a higher cost and with a greater potential for a negative environmental impact it was going to be exported out of the U.S., not added to the domestic supply. IOW, the Keystone Pipeline would add nothing of value to the U.S. market. I would support the Keystone Pipeline if the tar sand was refined in Canada and only refined product flowed through it. Well adding that oil into the world market is still going to affect prices everywhere. No matter how you look at it the left is nuts. They are anti any sort of pipeline. It would be nice if the Canadians refined it, sure as heck would be more efficient. I think the odds of Trudeau giving any sort of permit needed are less than slim, it would never happen. No Canadian refinery. Last edited by rickt300; 12/01/22. Dog I rescued in January

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Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. VarmintGuy #17859444 12/01/22
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IndyCA35 Campfire Outfitter I Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 11,505 The North Coast	Originally Posted by VarmintGuy This is an absolutely RIGHT ON article by Victor Davis Hanson. Pointing out the sad realities that are occurring today. LINK: https://townhall.com/columnists/vic...y-wanted-to-destroy-the-us-then-n2616602 I fear for the future of this country. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy Victor Davis Hanson is pretty smart. Don't blame me. I voted for Trump. Democrats would burn this country to the ground, if they could rule over the ashes.

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. rickt300 #17859446 12/01/22
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260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,212 OMAHA	Originally Posted by rickt300 Originally Posted by 260Remguy The Keystone pipeline was going to move tar sand bitumen, a very dirt crude product that requires more extensive refining than common crude product. Once refined at a higher cost and with a greater potential for a negative environmental impact it was going to be exported out of the U.S., not added to the domestic supply. IOW, the Keystone Pipeline would add nothing of value to the U.S. market. I would support the Keystone Pipeline if the tar sand was refined in Canada and only refined product flowed through it. Well adding that oil into the world market is still going to affect prices everywhere. No matter how you look at it the left is nuts. They are anti any sort of pipeline. It would be nice if the Canadians refined it, sure as heck would be more efficient. I think the odds of Trudeau giving any sort of permit needed are less than slim, it would never happen. No Canadian refinery. The Keystone Pipeline seems to mostly benefit Canada and only microscopically benefit the U.S. Wouldn't U.S. refinery capacity be better used to refine higher grade U.S. crude that would be consumed domesticlly?

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. VarmintGuy #17859449 12/01/22
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BALLISTIK Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,053 Likes: 1 Vinland	If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. you'd have sheit for brains cops invoking illegal policies for decades, and when they can retire, they move 1000+ miles away, to get away from the policies that they enforced. That's Americanism to ZOGbots! "Social order at the expense of Liberty is hardly a bargain” de Sade "He who'll not reason is a Bigot, he who cannot is a Fool, and he who dares not is a Slave."SirWilliamDrummond

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. 260Remguy #17859776 12/01/22
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Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,148 Likes: 11 Banana Belt, Montana	Originally Posted by 260Remguy The Keystone pipeline was going to move tar sand bitumen, a very dirt crude product that requires more extensive refining than common crude product. Once refined at a higher cost and with a greater potential for a negative environmental impact it was going to be exported out of the U.S., not added to the domestic supply. IOW, the Keystone Pipeline would add nothing of value to the U.S. market. I would support the Keystone Pipeline if the tar sand was refined in Canada and only refined product flowed through it. The Keystone Pipeline system has been moving oil from Alberta to U.S. refineries more-or-less continuously since 2010. The Keystone XL was a much smaller "shortcut" pipeline to be added to the already existing Keystone system, which would pass through eastern Montana and Nebraska. In eastern Montana the "dirty" Alberta oil would be blended with "sweeter" oil from the Bakken oilfield, making it much easier to refine into cleaner fuel. There was a BUNCH of resistance to the Keystone XL, due to it passing through the Nebraska Sandhills, which are above the Niobrara Aquifer, which produces a LOT of grain for the U.S. If the XL pipeline leaked it would cause major problems. But the XL would be only a minor part of the Keystone pipeline system--which wouldn't affect the world price of oil more than (maybe) a few cents. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. 260Remguy #17859805 12/01/22
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TheLastLemming76 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 10,166 Michigan	Originally Posted by 260Remguy Originally Posted by rickt300 Originally Posted by 260Remguy The Keystone pipeline was going to move tar sand bitumen, a very dirt crude product that requires more extensive refining than common crude product. Once refined at a higher cost and with a greater potential for a negative environmental impact it was going to be exported out of the U.S., not added to the domestic supply. IOW, the Keystone Pipeline would add nothing of value to the U.S. market. I would support the Keystone Pipeline if the tar sand was refined in Canada and only refined product flowed through it. Well adding that oil into the world market is still going to affect prices everywhere. No matter how you look at it the left is nuts. They are anti any sort of pipeline. It would be nice if the Canadians refined it, sure as heck would be more efficient. I think the odds of Trudeau giving any sort of permit needed are less than slim, it would never happen. No Canadian refinery. The Keystone Pipeline seems to mostly benefit Canada and only microscopically benefit the U.S. Wouldn't U.S. refinery capacity be better used to refine higher grade U.S. crude that would be consumed domesticlly? How about both? It doesn’t need to be one or the other if we had a stable and coherent longterm energy plan. I trust Canada as a reliable business partner and a country to do the right things environmentally over the Middle East.

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Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. 260Remguy #17859822 12/01/22
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Ben_Lurkin Campfire Tracker B Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 3,288 Likes: 3 Utah	Originally Posted by 260Remguy The Keystone pipeline was going to move tar sand bitumen, a very dirt crude product that requires more extensive refining than common crude product. Once refined at a higher cost and with a greater potential for a negative environmental impact it was going to be exported out of the U.S., not added to the domestic supply. IOW, the Keystone Pipeline would add nothing of value to the U.S. market. I would support the Keystone Pipeline if the tar sand was refined in Canada and only refined product flowed through it. No, that oil is STILL being moved. It’s moved by rail and trucks all owned by Warren Buffet who pays politicians to fix things in his favor; especially Democrats. It’s a lot more expensive and certainly a lot greater risk to the environment to do it that way. Look up Megantic QC for an example of why a pipeline is far safer. Yours in Liberty, BL

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. Mule Deer #17859847 12/01/22
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Squidge Campfire Tracker Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 7,345 Likes: 3	Originally Posted by Mule Deer The Keystone Pipeline system has been moving oil from Alberta to U.S. refineries more-or-less continuously since 2010. The Keystone XL was a much smaller "shortcut" pipeline to be added to the already existing Keystone system, which would pass through eastern Montana and Nebraska. In eastern Montana the "dirty" Alberta oil would be blended with "sweeter" oil from the Bakken oilfield, making it much easier to refine into cleaner fuel. There was a BUNCH of resistance to the Keystone XL, due to it passing through the Nebraska Sandhills, which are above the Niobrara Aquifer, which produces a LOT of grain for the U.S. If the XL pipeline leaked it would cause major problems. But the XL would be only a minor part of the Keystone pipeline system--which wouldn't affect the world price of oil more than (maybe) a few cents. It's the Ogallala aquifer, Keystone XL would likely have been built had Trans Canada chosen a different route and went around the aquifer instead of through it. Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual. There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. 260Remguy #17859932 12/01/22
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GAGoober Campfire Regular G Joined: Jul 2020 Posts: 2,398 Likes: 1	Originally Posted by 260Remguy The Keystone pipeline was going to move tar sand bitumen, a very dirt crude product that requires more extensive refining than common crude product. Once refined at a higher cost and with a greater potential for a negative environmental impact it was going to be exported out of the U.S., not added to the domestic supply. IOW, the Keystone Pipeline would add nothing of value to the U.S. market. I would support the Keystone Pipeline if the tar sand was refined in Canada and only refined product flowed through it. Keystone was going to provide an on ramp for Bakken Sweet Crude to start flowing. Harping about dirty Canada crude and opposing Keystone just plays into the libtard tree hugger green new deal idiot mentality,

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. Ben_Lurkin #17859948 12/01/22
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260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,212 OMAHA	Originally Posted by Ben_Lurkin Originally Posted by 260Remguy The Keystone pipeline was going to move tar sand bitumen, a very dirt crude product that requires more extensive refining than common crude product. Once refined at a higher cost and with a greater potential for a negative environmental impact it was going to be exported out of the U.S., not added to the domestic supply. IOW, the Keystone Pipeline would add nothing of value to the U.S. market. I would support the Keystone Pipeline if the tar sand was refined in Canada and only refined product flowed through it. No, that oil is STILL being moved. It’s moved by rail and trucks all owned by Warren Buffet who pays politicians to fix things in his favor; especially Democrats. It’s a lot more expensive and certainly a lot greater risk to the environment to do it that way. Look up Megantic QC for an example of why a pipeline is far safer. The Megantic QC disaster was due to a series of errors made by the railroad that was hauling the tank cars. The train derailed because it had been improperly parked for the night and got underway without any crew on board. It seems unlikely that a Class A railroad like BNSF would duplicate that scenario. I'm sure that it is more expensive to move unrefined product by rail and equally sure that when Warren Buffet speaks people listen to him and are likely to try and please him.

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. GAGoober #17859982 12/01/22
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260Remguy Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 32,212 OMAHA	Originally Posted by GAGoober Originally Posted by 260Remguy The Keystone pipeline was going to move tar sand bitumen, a very dirt crude product that requires more extensive refining than common crude product. Once refined at a higher cost and with a greater potential for a negative environmental impact it was going to be exported out of the U.S., not added to the domestic supply. IOW, the Keystone Pipeline would add nothing of value to the U.S. market. I would support the Keystone Pipeline if the tar sand was refined in Canada and only refined product flowed through it. Keystone was going to provide an on ramp for Bakken Sweet Crude to start flowing. Harping about dirty Canada crude and opposing Keystone just plays into the libtard tree hugger green new deal idiot mentality, Look at the map of the Keystone XL pipeline. A pipeline could be built from western ND entirely within ND to intersect with the existing Keysone pipeline. It would be much shorter and would avoid crossing SD and NE a second time.

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. IndyCA35 #17859995 12/01/22
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Houston_2 Campfire Outfitter H Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 10,783 Likes: 2 The Magnolia State	Originally Posted by IndyCA35 Originally Posted by VarmintGuy This is an absolutely RIGHT ON article by Victor Davis Hanson. Pointing out the sad realities that are occurring today. LINK: https://townhall.com/columnists/vic...y-wanted-to-destroy-the-us-then-n2616602 I fear for the future of this country. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy Victor Davis Hanson is pretty smart. Always a good read from him.

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. VarmintGuy #17860028 12/01/22
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rainshot Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 12,036 Likes: 2 Texas	It is a good article and spot on. The pipeline is only a small part of our crisis. Their aim is to destroy America as it was founded and they’re getting away with it.

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. VarmintGuy #17860038 12/01/22
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Dillonbuck Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 21,827 Likes: 3 Clinging to our God and Guns	Off topic, but in answer to the title. I would, incentivise people to be parasites. Destroy, pride in the nation. Instigate conflict between races, economic levels, police and citizens... Destroy traditional moral values. Both social and personal. Create turbulence in the economy. Instability in markets, inflation, food/fuel supplies. The supply chain in general. Create policies to take as much self sufficiency as possible out of the peoples hands. Create situations where the government is where they turn for needed things. Make them see the government as "Father". Creating a situation where working people are sucking the teat just like the parasites. Push government control as far as possible. Force shut downs of everything from churches to bars, employers to theme parks. Destroy schools. The teaching of real history. Teach a false history designed to bend the minds of children to accept the coming changes You wish to inflict. As you cause inflation(deflating monetary value) create a desire to destroy "Real/fiat" currency in exchange for a central digital one. Immediately taking away the power people can have in private transactions. Taking away the freedom of having money on hand. Just a few, randomly thought up. They would be a fantastic start. Gotta add, Put totally incompetent mentally challenged people in key position leading critical departments. Infect the military with as many freak groups and unstable people as possible. Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. Dillonbuck #17860057 12/01/22
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TheLastLemming76 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2020 Posts: 10,166 Michigan	Originally Posted by Dillonbuck Off topic, but in answer to the title. I would, incentivise people to be parasites. Destroy, pride in the nation. Instigate conflict between races, economic levels, police and citizens... Destroy traditional moral values. Both social and personal. Create turbulence in the economy. Instability in markets, inflation, food/fuel supplies. The supply chain in general. Create policies to take as much self sufficiency as possible out of the peoples hands. Create situations where the government is where they turn for needed things. Make them see the government as "Father". Creating a situation where working people are sucking the teat just like the parasites. Push government control as far as possible. Force shut downs of everything from churches to bars, employers to theme parks. Destroy schools. The teaching of real history. Teach a false history designed to bend the minds of children to accept the coming changes You wish to inflict. As you cause inflation(deflating monetary value) create a desire to destroy "Real/fiat" currency in exchange for a central digital one. Immediately taking away the power people can have in private transactions. Taking away the freedom of having money on hand. Just a few, randomly thought up. They would be a fantastic start. Gotta add, Put totally incompetent mentally challenged people in key position leading critical departments. Infect the military with as many freak groups and unstable people as possible. Well said. Obviously the people making the decisions are not stupid but most of our puppet politicians that they buy are stupid and self serving.

Re: If You Really Wanted To Destroy The U.S. VarmintGuy #17860226 12/01/22
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gunswizard Campfire Ranger G Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 17,820	Coming from LBJ the most corrupt, murderous politician there ever was you expected anything good to result from the "Great Society" ? How foolish of you !

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