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People should learn how to deal with outages, whether temporary or possibly long term outages because it sure seems like its a simple thing to take out infrastructure.
I have 2 generators, but wonder what problems searching for fuel could entail?
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Two substations were targeted at the same time, and disabled by gunfire? There is either a lot more to this story, or it is bullshiit. I read that one of them was shot three times, still waiting for the explanation of how three bullets can take down a substation for days. Like you said, it doesn't add up. Very easily done as has been clearly demonstrated.
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Two substations were targeted at the same time, and disabled by gunfire? There is either a lot more to this story, or it is bullshiit. I read that one of them was shot three times, still waiting for the explanation of how three bullets can take down a substation for days. Like you said, it doesn't add up. Very easily done as has been clearly demonstrated. Where has it been "clearly demonstrated"?
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Two substations were targeted at the same time, and disabled by gunfire? There is either a lot more to this story, or it is bullshiit. I read that one of them was shot three times, still waiting for the explanation of how three bullets can take down a substation for days. Like you said, it doesn't add up. Very easily done as has been clearly demonstrated. Where has it been "clearly demonstrated"? Well, we don’t have all the answers and government credibility is an issue, but perhaps this was demonstrated recently in Moore County, North Carolina. Time will tell…. But “three bullets” and millions of dollars damage….?
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Lots of ways to cause trouble even for us who aren't in the business. Bullet to short a transformer. 50 years ago transmission towers were dynamited.
Chain a valve between tank cars of chlorine came from a fireman friend.
Brother installed lots of bullet proof glass in power
stations, water plants, guard shacks. Pretty much secretly.
Modern right thinking gives precedent to things like the drag show.
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COLODOG " ... looting is a concern so there is a curfew. ..." Curfews are just for the honest people. The bandits and freebooters couldn't care less. A .45 ACP and a 12 Ga. can dissuade them.  L.W.
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Not the first time somebody shot out the lights. "The attack began just before 1 a.m. on April 16 last year, when someone slipped into an underground vault not far from a busy freeway and cut telephone cables. "Within half an hour, snipers opened fire on a nearby electrical substation. Shooting for 19 minutes, they surgically knocked out 17 giant transformers that funnel power to Silicon Valley. A minute before a police car arrived, the shooters disappeared into the night. "To avoid a blackout, electric-grid officials rerouted power around the site and asked power plants in Silicon Valley to produce more electricity. But it took utility workers 27 days to make repairs and bring the substation back to life." Apologies for an NPR link to story
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Two substations were targeted at the same time, and disabled by gunfire? There is either a lot more to this story, or it is bullshiit. I read that one of them was shot three times, still waiting for the explanation of how three bullets can take down a substation for days. Like you said, it doesn't add up. Very easily done as has been clearly demonstrated. Where has it been "clearly demonstrated"? Well, we don’t have all the answers and government credibility is an issue, but perhaps this was demonstrated recently in Moore County, North Carolina. Time will tell…. But “three bullets” and millions of dollars damage….? Yeah I hear you, that's what I meant by "clearly demonstrated". Nothing clear about it at this point.
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Wouldn't it be simpler to just kneecap the drag q u e e r s and not mess with the power grid? think Goebbels and you'll be on the right track.
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Feds have known of this weakness for a LONG time. power companies pay lip service to .gov concerns , but don't really prepare for bad actors/events. JIT is great in academic theory and corporation boardrooms , not so much in reality.
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I have actually wondered why those wishing to stir up real trouble have not pursued such a route. Thousands of untended facilities out there.
Two generators, 5 yrs worth of firewood, an oil stove, Coleman camping equipment and a travel trailer we could move into when things became serious. Most city folks are screwed with an extended outage.
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. But “three bullets” and millions of dollars damage….? if a rodent can put 1500 folks out of power https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rats-tysons-power-outage-caused-by-rodents/ar-AA12cKqpjust think what 3 bullets in the right location on transformers might do.
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Two substations were targeted at the same time, and disabled by gunfire? There is either a lot more to this story, or it is bullshiit. I read that one of them was shot three times, still waiting for the explanation of how three bullets can take down a substation for days. Like you said, it doesn't add up. Very easily done as has been clearly demonstrated. Where has it been "clearly demonstrated"? Well, we don’t have all the answers and government credibility is an issue, but perhaps this was demonstrated recently in Moore County, North Carolina. Time will tell…. But “three bullets” and millions of dollars damage….? Yeah I hear you, that's what I meant by "clearly demonstrated". Nothing clear about it at this point. One way can be putting bullet holes in the case of the transformer - the cooling oil leaks out, the transformer gets hot and burns up. Another could be shooting out the top insulators causing phase to phase or phase to ground faults and burning up the transformers. There are other similar possibilities but most likely it is the first scenario since it was specifically noted that there were three bullet holes.
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This might have been similar to the Massive Power Outage in the town of Remote Oregon...
100%.... the one farm house and both the trailers in the trailer park have been without electricity since yesterday at noon.
someone cut the 100 ft extension cord, supplying the electrical grid to the town of Remote...
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I have actually wondered why those wishing to stir up real trouble have not pursued such a route. Thousands of untended facilities out there.
Two generators, 5 yrs worth of firewood, an oil stove, Coleman camping equipment and a travel trailer we could move into when things became serious. Most city folks are screwed with an extended outage. Having worked around (not at) a few of those quite rural, and large, substation type facilities I've always been amazed they are primarily protected by a simple 6' chain link fence and a padlock. Not even a vehicle barrier. And some of those facilities would likely bring down a regional grid area and not just 40K homes if they were compromised. But, we like our relatively inexpensive electricity, and municipal water, and sewage, etc. I'm with you. While I don't have 5 years wood on site, there's a bit of it right nearby, even right here on my little spread. Generator for the well, enough food for a bit, and good neighbors.
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In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Once again the page one comments did not fail to disappoint. My side still hurts.
But, back on task....in the days of "long lead items" basically being everything, a couple of days is not bad for this type of outage.
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I always wondered what would happen if someone was to take an RC airplane, fly it over a substation and drop a couple pounds of chaff over a transformer.
Though whacking an insulator with a bullet would be simplier/quicker...
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What would a 700gr 50cal bullet do to a windmill blade? 🙄🤔😁 Well ya see
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Wouldn't it be simpler to just kneecap the drag q u e e r s and not mess with the power grid? If it turns out that it was against that drag queen show, then said "shooter" got his message across. Now, will the FBI round up some townspeople and execute them in reparations, or is it too soon to believe s hi t like that yet?
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