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Not a right, a privilege.
Allowed, or not, at the discretion of the government.
Applies to ALL rights if the government can convince you of it and enforce it on you.
Prove me wrong. Show me a *right* that you have that a corrupt government cannot take from you. Up to and including your life.
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You should look up the NYSRPA decision SCOTUS just handed down.
Oregon is going to be a test of that decision and it looks good for you guys and the rest of us in the future.
Sorry you guys are one of the test cases but the odds are in your/our favor.
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Very correct!
It was a right, until the court system was corrupted by the leftest. Sadly, we allowed this to happen!
We always hear compromise…..BS. Compromise is giving your opponent a victory without a fight!
Had we, the United States, followed Joseph McCarthy’s lead in the ‘50’s……we would be a much better nation today!
Compromise and appeasement will ultimately cost you everything! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
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Thanks for the optimism John Burns, it's in short supply for at least half of the 4 million people in Oregon right now.
The judge in her decision cited the case, and chose to do a workaround anyway.
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Thanks for the optimism John Burns, it's in short supply for at least half of the 4 million people in Oregon right now. So nothing has changed? LOL
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Short-term solution is We, The People, IGNORE the unconstitutional edicts emanating from .gov's
"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
We are all Rhodesians now.
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Our rights do not come from government, but I understand the point you're making.
I've had to deal with lower (i.e., Federal district) courts a lot on basic issues like the First and Second Amendments. In most cases, the lower courts absolutely do not follow precedent from the Supreme Court and rule, instead, based on political and personal considerations.
I'm working on an appeal from a case in Texas where the judge utterly disregarded precedent and the Constitution to arrive at a decision that comported with her personal beliefs. The good news is that the appeals courts tend to be a lot better, though they certainly aren't perfect. The 9th Circuit, which is where Oregon appeals go, used to be absolutely rogue but in recent years (thanks, in part, to President Trump) they have gotten better.
In other words, you can count on west coast district courts to ignore precedent and you can also count on their rulings to be overturned (if not at the 9th Circuit, the Supreme Court).
Eliminate qualified immunity and you'll eliminate cops who act like they are above the law.
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Our rights do not come from government, but I understand the point you're making.
I've had to deal with lower (i.e., Federal district) courts a lot on basic issues like the First and Second Amendments. In most cases, the lower courts absolutely do not follow precedent from the Supreme Court and rule, instead, based on political and personal considerations.
I'm working on an appeal from a case in Texas where the judge utterly disregarded precedent and the Constitution to arrive at a decision that comported with her personal beliefs. The good news is that the appeals courts tend to be a lot better, though they certainly aren't perfect. The 9th Circuit, which is where Oregon appeals go, used to be absolutely rogue but in recent years (thanks, in part, to President Trump) they have gotten better.
In other words, you can count on west coast district courts to ignore precedent and you can also count on their rulings to be overturned (if not at the 9th Circuit, the Supreme Court). So in the mean time, conform.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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"Social order at the expense of Liberty is hardly a bargain” de Sade "He who'll not reason is a Bigot, he who cannot is a Fool, and he who dares not is a Slave."SirWilliamDrummond
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Prove me wrong. Show me a *right* that you have that a corrupt government cannot take from you. You are confused about the definition of a right. That the government can infringe on them is why the Bill of Rights was written in the first place. If it wasn't possible there would have been no need and we'd all likely still be speaking....well English but the inferior version that sounds like the words are chewed up and spit out instead of spoken. The problem you've identified is that our governments have declined to follow their obligation to avoid infringing on rights with which we were born.
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Short-term solution is We, The People, IGNORE the unconstitutional edicts emanating from .gov's That^^^^^
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Rights are certain, Creator-granted, and unalienable, according to Thomas Jefferson. I accept that as my definition as well. Governments cannot do anything to affect rights. You decide whether to give them up or not. I would suggest that those operating under color of law to violate your rights are guilty of serious crimes, and should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law, both that of men and that of God.
In other words, don't take that shiit they're serving you. You only have the rights you are willing to exercise and fight for, to the death if required. That is the reality.
I belong on eroding granite, among the pines.
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Yep. Ballz be confused thinking that anyone else is responsible for him . Put your big boy pants on.
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Rights are certain, Creator-granted, and unalienable, according to Thomas Jefferson. I accept that as my definition as well. Governments cannot do anything to affect rights. You decide whether to give them up or not. I would suggest that those operating under color of law to violate your rights are guilty of serious crimes, and should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law, both that of men and that of God.
In other words, don't take that shiit they're serving you. You only have the rights you are willing to exercise and fight for, to the death if required. That is the reality. LOL. Post up pictures of all your SBRs, Full Auto, and suppressors that are not registered. Oh yeah you're just a full of schiet loudmouth running his suck on the internet. Who saw that comin?
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Our rights do not come from government, but I understand the point you're making.
I've had to deal with lower (i.e., Federal district) courts a lot on basic issues like the First and Second Amendments. In most cases, the lower courts absolutely do not follow precedent from the Supreme Court and rule, instead, based on political and personal considerations.
I'm working on an appeal from a case in Texas where the judge utterly disregarded precedent and the Constitution to arrive at a decision that comported with her personal beliefs. The good news is that the appeals courts tend to be a lot better, though they certainly aren't perfect. The 9th Circuit, which is where Oregon appeals go, used to be absolutely rogue but in recent years (thanks, in part, to President Trump) they have gotten better.
In other words, you can count on west coast district courts to ignore precedent and you can also count on their rulings to be overturned (if not at the 9th Circuit, the Supreme Court). So in the mean time, conform. I sure as hell didn't when I lived in CA. As with so many other things, if you aren't looking for trouble you won't find trouble when it comes to disobeying bad laws. If you make do what I'm doing right now (blabbing about breaking laws), you will find trouble. Be discreet and you will almost always have no trouble. I refused to register my AK and ARs, bought mags over 10 rounds into the state, carried without a permit, etc. If Montana ever goes the way of CA and OR, I'll refuse to comply with those laws as well. There are some things that are non-negotiable, and fundamental rights are at the top of the list for me. FYI, this is not legal advice...
Eliminate qualified immunity and you'll eliminate cops who act like they are above the law.
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I sure as hell didn't when I lived in CA. As with so many other things, if you aren't looking for trouble you won't find trouble when it comes to disobeying bad laws. If you make do what I'm doing right now (blabbing about breaking laws), you will find trouble. Be discreet and you will almost always have no trouble.
I refused to register my AK and ARs, bought mags over 10 rounds into the state, carried without a permit, etc. If Montana ever goes the way of CA and OR, I'll refuse to comply with those laws as well. There are some things that are non-negotiable, and fundamental rights are at the top of the list for me.
FYI, this is not legal advice... I understand. But I don't think the majority of Oregon understands how this is going to go.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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You should look up the NYSRPA decision SCOTUS just handed down.
Oregon is going to be a test of that decision and it looks good for you guys and the rest of us in the future.
Sorry you guys are one of the test cases but the odds are in your/our favor. Gin Blossom Burns, Stop pretending to be an authority on anything. You're a proven liar and fraud. You're also an inbred dumb fugk.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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TRO on 114PORTLAND, Ore. — A state circuit court judge has granted an injunction against Oregon's Measure 114 on Tuesday, just hours after a federal judge denied a motion that sought to block the ballot measure's ban on high-capacity gun magazines.
Circuit Court Judge Robert Raschio in Harney County ruled in favor of a temporary restraining order on the grounds that the measure would infringe on their right to bear arms because they would be "unable to lawfully purchase a firearm or bear a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition."
The challenge was one of several brought forth against the measure, which narrowly passed in the midterm election and was set to go into effect Thursday. It would require anyone purchasing a new firearm to get a permit through state and county law enforcement agencies, take a training course and do a background check. WIZARD.
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