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I have been debating whether or not to post my recent experience in Texas but finally fell on the side of “just do it “ so here goes. I hunted deer and hogs along with 6 others on a free range ranch. It was an outfitted hunt using elevated blinds and feeders. After two and a half days I had shot my two deer as did one of the other hunters. Nobody else had fired a shot. Not a single hog was even seen.
My winter base is about 750 miles from where I was hunting. After my deer were cleaned and in ice chests I began boning and trying to reduce the bulk in the coolers getting ready to leave on the long drive for home.
That evening a very nice Tx game warden came into camp and cited me for having de-boned meat except at the meat’s “final destination “. I explained that I was getting ready to leave for home and that I was even encouraged to de-bone my meat by the outfitter. No joy!
I called the local Justice of the Peace, explained myself to the very nice justice and was told my fine was $281.
So, my point of writing this is that you best check on the law before you simply think you can box up your meat and either fly or drive it home when it comes time to leave Texas. I violated the law and reluctantly but willingly paid my fine. That is Texas law. No deboned meat is permitted except at it’s final destination.
I don’t know what the law states regarding exotics or hogs.

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Sounds like a BS ticket to me, sorry that happened to you.



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Yeah another Game Warden just being a dick.


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Yeah another Game Warden just being a dick.

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Could have let you slide on that one and made sure the Outfitter knew the rule from now on......

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Originally Posted by ingwe
Yeah another Game Warden just being a dick.


Exactly.


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Thanks for the heads up. That easily could have happened to me.

Sorry to hear it happened to you, though.


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What if you took it to a processor and had it packaged ? That makes no sense

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Originally Posted by JGRaider
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Yeah another Game Warden just being a dick.

Exactly.

The outfitter didn't exactly help matters and damn well should of known better.

Rolly, sorry you got nailed on it.

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Truth be known most of us break some obscure law w/o even knowing it. No shame in it imo, we're not lawyers for cripes sake.


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Cold Storage, Processing and Taxidermy

Valid Sep. 1, 2022 through Aug. 31, 2023.

Deer and Pronghorn
A deer and pronghorn may be skinned and quartered (two forequarters, two hindquarters, and two backstraps) for transport, provided the quartered deer or pronghorn is tagged and proof of sex accompanies the deer or pronghorn. See Cold Storage or Processing Facility for exceptions.
Deer or pronghorn may only be processed beyond quarters at a location that qualifies as a final destination.
All Game Animals (including deer and pronghorn)
The four quarters and two backstraps are the only parts of a game animal required by law to be kept in edible condition.
Tagging and proof-of-sex requirements, if required, continue to apply until the wildlife resource reaches a final destination other than a Type 1 cold storage or processing facility, and is quartered.
While in camp you may remove and prepare a part of a wildlife resource if the removal and preparation occur immediately before the part is cooked or consumed; however, all tagging and proof of sex regulations apply to remaining parts until the parts reach a final destination.
Facilities
A cold storage or processing facility may be established anywhere, including on property where hunting is conducted. It must be stationary and designed to process and/or store wild game. A vehicle, trailer, or other mobile storage or processing arrangement is not lawful.

Commercial Cold Storage or Processing Facility Record Keeping Requirements
A person may place and maintain, or possess, in a cold storage or processing facility, lawfully harvested game birds and game animals not in excess of the number permitted to be possessed by law, if the owner, operator, or lessee of the cold storage or processing facility maintains the record book as required by law with:

name, address, and hunting license number of all persons placing game animals or game birds in storage (if a person other than the person who harvested the game bird or animal, places a game bird or game animal in storage, that person’s name and address must be included);
number and species of all game animals and game birds in storage, and
date each game animal or game bird was placed in storage (information must be entered into the record book before game is placed in storage)
Type 1 Commercial Cold Storage or Processing Facility Requirements
A place of business open to the public for the purpose of storing or processing game animals or game birds upon demand on a for-profit basis or in exchange for anything of value must comply with the record keeping requirements described above, and as follows:

tags, permits, or WRDs, when applicable, must remain attached to birds until the birds are finally processed;
tags, permits, or WRDs, when applicable, must remain attached to pronghorn until the carcass is quartered; for deer, tagging and proof of sex requirements cease once the required information detailed above has been entered in the cold storage log, and the county and name of the ranch or property where the deer was harvested has been recorded.
for deer: tag, or WRD, as applicable, must be retained on the premises for as long as the carcass or any part of the carcass remains in the possession of the cold storage or processing facility.
Type 2 Commercial Cold Storage or Processing Facility on Hunting Lease Requirements
A cold storage facility that is not open to the public on an on-demand basis, and is utilized to store or process game taken by persons on properties where hunting by individuals in return for pay or other consideration occurs (a hunting lease) must comply with the record keeping requirements described above, and as follows:

For turkey, proof of sex and tagging requirements cease to apply when the turkey has been entered in a cold storage record book.
Once a deer or pronghorn has been entered in the cold storage record book it may be finally processed. Proof of sex and tagging requirements continue to apply until the deer or pronghorn has at least been quartered and entered into the record book.
Private, Non-Commercial, Family-Owned Cold Storage or Processing Facility
Except as noted below, a cold storage record book is not required for game animals or game birds placed in a private, family-owned, non-commercial cold storage or processing facility that is not used by paying hunters; however, all tagging and proof of sex requirements apply. At a private, non-commercial facility where a record book meeting the requirements of a commercial cold storage or processing facility is voluntarily maintained, proof of sex and tagging requirements are the same as for a Type 2 commercial facility (described above).

Save your tag and/or permit. After a wildlife resource reaches its final destination and tagging requirements have ceased, the possessor is encouraged to retain tags or permits in order to prevent delay or problems (cold storage or processor refusing to accept meat, etc.). When taking game (meat/ head/hide) that you have processed at home to a commercial processor, simply attach the appropriate hunting license tag or permit to the game.

Taxidermist
Hunters who give any part of a game animal or game bird to a taxidermist for mounting must attach a WRD (not the tag from the hunting license or permit) to the part.

In return, for deer, pronghorn, turkey and pheasant, the taxidermist must give the hunter a receipt as prescribed in Proof of Sex - Exception. The taxidermist “proof of sex” receipt for the part must accompany the tagged carcass until it reaches its final destination and is finally processed. If the taxidermist places any game animal or game bird in cold storage, then the cold storage or processing facility record book is required by law. Without the appropriate record book and a WRD accompanying the game animal or game bird, a taxidermist may be exceeding the prescribed possession limits for game animals and game birds. Taxidermy information packets may be downloaded.


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Originally Posted by NEBHUNTER
What if you took it to a processor and had it packaged ? That makes no sense

Texas Hunting Annual - Processing of Game Animals

Deer and Pronghorn

A deer and pronghorn may be skinned and quartered (two forequarters, two hindquarters, and two backstraps) for transport, provided the quartered deer or pronghorn is tagged and proof of sex accompanies the deer or pronghorn. See Cold Storage or Processing Facility for exceptions.

Deer or pronghorn may only be processed beyond quarters at a location that qualifies as a final destination.

All Game Animals (including deer and pronghorn)

The four quarters and two backstraps are the only parts of a game animal required by law to be kept in edible condition.

Tagging and proof-of-sex requirements, if required, continue to apply until the wildlife resource reaches a final destination and is quartered.

While in camp you may remove and prepare a part of a wildlife resource if the removal and preparation occur immediately before the part is cooked or consumed; however, all tagging and proof of sex regulations apply to remaining parts until the parts reach a final destination.

Final destination

The permanent residence of the hunter; the permanent residence of any other person receiving the animal/bird carcass part of an animal/bird carcass; or a cold storage or processing facility.

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Did you bother reading the regulations? I live in TX and they clearly state you cannot break a deer down any further than the 4 quarters and backstraps in the field. That is the minimum you must take off a deer but you can also take the neck meat, rib meat, flank meat and shanks but the 4 main quarters and backstraps must be whole. It is NOT legal in TX to completely bone a deer out in the field. That is the law and I seriously doubt an outfitter in TX encouraged you to break the law. Not buying that part of it.

For all you idiots calling the GW a dick, he is enforcing the law. When you hunt in states other than your own (I have held licenses in 13 states) you need to read the regulations for those states. I grew up in CO but when I hunted in WY, MT, UT, OK, TX, CA, AZ, NM etc... I made sure I did things in accordance with the laws in those states and ignorance of the laws will not prevent getting a ticket.


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So if your a non resident most states won’t allow you to bring the meat home then if you hunt and kill something in tx. as lots of states won’t allow meat that isn’t deboned due to CWD
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Originally Posted by kevinJ
So if your a non resident most states won’t allow you to bring the meat home then if you hunt and kill something in tx. as lots of states won’t allow meat that isn’t deboned due to CWD
Brought through or in.

^^^^THIS^^^^
Down south you are breaking the law if you cross state lines with bone in quarters. All meat must be deboned.
It's kinda screwed up.

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The game warden did nothing wrong and was very polite and courteous. The outfitter encouraged me to bone the meat prior to my leaving. This was all my fault. I didn’t know the law. My point is to just warn others who may do something similar with their deer, antelope, exotic game species or feral hog. Find out what the law is and make no assumptions.


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It’s always been that way here in Texas. What are the laws in other states??

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The whole point of the Lacey Act and anti-CWD measures is that you SHOULD be traveling with de-boned meat. So while it looks like you were technically violating in Texas, that's pretty lame.

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Rolly you sound like a stand up guy taking responsibility for your actions. That said, it also sounds like a stupid law that could use amending. Especially given the CWD issues.


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Originally Posted by jc189
Originally Posted by kevinJ
So if your a non resident most states won’t allow you to bring the meat home then if you hunt and kill something in tx. as lots of states won’t allow meat that isn’t deboned due to CWD
Brought through or in.

^^^^THIS^^^^
Down south you are breaking the law if you cross state lines with bone in quarters. All meat must be deboned.
It's kinda screwed up.
KY won’t take our deer on the hoof even.


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So if your a non resident most states won’t allow you to bring the meat home then if you hunt and kill something in tx. as lots of states won’t allow meat that isn’t deboned due to CWD
Brought through or in.

CWD is only found in the spine and brain. You do not have to take the spine out of the field in TX just the quarters with the leg bones in them.


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Originally Posted by hanco
It’s always been that way here in Texas. What are the laws in other states??



Here you can bone out the meat, but at least one piece needs to have evidence of sex, naturally attached.


Comes in handy when you need to pack out a large animal like an elk. In AK you can bone it out too.



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Not debating where cwd is or isn’t found in a deer

What I’m stating is that most states won’t allow deer or elk meat transported through or to them that isn’t deboned because of cwd concerns.

Skull plates have to be cleaned

Seeing as pay hunts are big money for texas economy you would think your fish cops would have figured out deboning a deer at camp prior to driving home out of state is a good idea. Instead they see it as a good way to write another ticket.

Typical law enforcement BS

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Well that scratched my Texas plans for next year. I hunt on my 1500 acre lease 18 miles north of the Florida line and cant bring bone in meat home,not even the neck for the crock pot. I live in Fl and hunt Alabama we cant even bring a skull and cape to Fl if ya want it mounted, it has to be done in Al. Sorry ya ran into problems but it helped me a lot. Thanks

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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by hanco
It’s always been that way here in Texas. What are the laws in other states??



Here you can bone out the meat, but at least one piece needs to have evidence of sex, naturally attached.


Comes in handy when you need to pack out a large animal like an elk. In AK you can bone it out too.
Read carefully before boning meat in AK, many units are bone in salvage required.

And to the OP, sorry you got a ticket. Seems like anyone who isn’t a dumbass could see what you were trying to accomplish and gave you the okay. But some guys are just dickheads, seems like a large percentage of game wardens fall into this group.

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Originally Posted by MAC
Did you bother reading the regulations? I live in TX and they clearly state you cannot break a deer down any further than the 4 quarters and backstraps in the field. That is the minimum you must take off a deer but you can also take the neck meat, rib meat, flank meat and shanks but the 4 main quarters and backstraps must be whole. It is NOT legal in TX to completely bone a deer out in the field. That is the law and I seriously doubt an outfitter in TX encouraged you to break the law. Not buying that part of it.

For all you idiots calling the GW a dick, he is enforcing the law. When you hunt in states other than your own (I have held licenses in 13 states) you need to read the regulations for those states. I grew up in CO but when I hunted in WY, MT, UT, OK, TX, CA, AZ, NM etc... I made sure I did things in accordance with the laws in those states and ignorance of the laws will not prevent getting a ticket.
He never said he did it "in the field".


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Originally Posted by MAC
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So if your a non resident most states won’t allow you to bring the meat home then if you hunt and kill something in tx. as lots of states won’t allow meat that isn’t deboned due to CWD
Brought through or in.

CWD is only found in the spine and brain. You do not have to take the spine out of the field in TX just the quarters with the leg bones in them.
This is incorrect. They test areas with high concentrations of the prion, hence wanting lymph nodes. But it's not wholly contained to those areas in a carcass. Any body fluid can carry/spread the prion, including blood. De-boned meat is far less likely to come into contact with other animals than partially processed meat...

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I assumed he was doing this at camp.

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Chickenshit ticket by a chippy cu.nt of a game warden. It does nothing to benefit the wildlife and everything to do with collecting the king’s ransom.

If the outfitter has a processing facility on the ranch or cold storage facility then it sounds like you’d win in court if you challenged it. They know that you aren’t going to the trouble of driving back and forth so they pull this kind of bullshit. 🤬


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How much influence do the meat processors have?

The ranchers putting on the hunts offer processing?

Did yours offer it? Was he happy with you doing it yourself?

Wouldn't surprise me the money made processing game influences law.

They know you can't travel with bone, and it is illegal for you to cut it
yourself....


If your outfitter provides processing, good chance the Possum Cop got
A call from him.


You broke the law, but LEOs aren't forced to cite.
Some, have a "need" to?


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If you wanted to push this with an attorney, based on precedent in other situations, I think you could make a case that the meat being packaged and in your possession IS the final destination. This would be the case in other instances where people hunt and then process/store meat in cabins, RVs, fish shacks, etc. that are not their permanent residences and not ultimately the final destination of the meat. But their bag/possession limits often reset based on the meat being processed/frozen in those "temporary" destinations.

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The meat was taken off the bone in the back yard of the ranch house where we stayed . Of course by that time, evidence of sex had already been thrown away too. I am sure now reading the rules as posted on the fire that I could have been cited for that too. All in all, not a very good trip.


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I have some thoughts on this.

Technically a "law" was broken. But like many laws, it is a bureaucratic paper pushing law.

In my opinion, once an animal is taken legally, it is my property. Just like any other property I own. OP's deer were processed in my opinion.


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I would pay the fine & then never step foot in TX again.

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Originally Posted by Rolly
The game warden did nothing wrong and was very polite and courteous.

What the game warden DIDN'T do was use a little discretion....


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Originally Posted by MAC
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So if your a non resident most states won’t allow you to bring the meat home then if you hunt and kill something in tx. as lots of states won’t allow meat that isn’t deboned due to CWD
Brought through or in.

CWD is only found in the spine and brain. You do not have to take the spine out of the field in TX just the quarters with the leg bones in them.
Well no really but hey. Prions have been found in muscle meat.

It is the law in Texas and has been for years. It is the hunters responsibility to know the game laws where they hunt, that being said no on can know them all.
Next time just wrap the boned out meat up, then it would be considered processed.

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Does anyone have a link to any state game laws saying you cannot import ANY bones? I can find plenty of reference to spinal columns as well as raw skulls.

We bring a 20# propane tank, turkey cooker burner, a SS rectangle buffet pan and boil any skulls we want to bring home intact. The pan fits 1 elk skull or 2 deer skulls at a time.


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Sorry you had to deal with that Rolly. Sounds like you handled it as gracefully as possible. Yeah, the hunter should know the law...but I would have thought the outfitter would have let you known about this. I think I'd have been more pissed at them than the game warden.

I hunt an adjoining state. The location I hunt there is within a mile of the state I live in. The deer I take there may have lived as much of their life in one state as the other. By law, I can only bring the meat and cleaned skull/antlers back in....so to cross the state line I've got to debone everything. I would have made the assumption that I had to bone it out before leaving TX.

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Game warden could have seized that meat and given it to a local needy family. He cut you some slack there. I'm not being a smartass, either.


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I’m sorry you were written up, game wardens come through our camp a couple times a year, check licenses, make sure deer are tagged, etc. They know where most camps are, check randomly during the year. I’ve been on a half dozen leases all over Texas through the years, wardens came to every one at least once a year. I don’t think that was a set up.

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I ran into something similar a few years back. I killed my buck in TX, and was going to debone it for the trip back to TN. TN law at the time (it may have changed, I don't know) said you could not bring game killed in other states back to TN with the bone in it. Catch 22, TX you can't transport with the bone out, TN you can't come into the state with bone in.
I did not know the TX law until after I had killed my deer. I dang sure was not going to stop in OK, or Arkansas on the side of the road and debone it, so I had to sign a surrender tag in TX.


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The root cause of this issue is a bad law.

Hunter not knowing the regs.

LEO not using discretion. To my knowledge, hunter was legally licensed and took game legally.

That should be the priority of the CO. Not some idiotic law about a person's property.


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Here's a site that addresses the question regarding transporting deer meat from Texas to other states:

Transporting Harvested Deer Across State Lines: CWD - www.buckmanager.com

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Bringing Home Harvested Deer

Question: “How do we prepare harvested deer in Texas to be transported to other states which have regulations related to CWD? The regulations for deer from other states to be transported to Mississippi are contrary to Texas requirements for transporting deer. Mississippi requires all meat to be deboned with no skin or heads to be brought into state unless mounted by a taxidermist or a boiled down head plate with antlers.

This is contrary to Texas requirements which says that the head with hunting license tag must accompany 2 front quarters, 2 hind quarters and 2 back straps. This prevents me from taking deer from Texas to my home in Mississippi. Do I have to stop hunting in Texas? What can I do to remedy this problem and adhere to both state’s requirements? Please let me know as my hunting trip to Texas in coming up in November.”

Transport from CWD-Positive States

Mississippi and other states where Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) has not been documented have passed regulations that prohibit the importation of cervid carcasses and deer parts from states where CWD has been found. A cervid is a member of the deer family and includes white-tailed deer, mule deer, elk, moose, caribou, red deer, sika deer, and fallow deer. Many states have carcass import bans, even those that have already found CWD within the state.

The goal of these importation rules is to prevent hunters from inadvertently fast-tracking the spread of the neurological disease that is fatal to deer. As of October 1 2016, CWD has been found in 24 states within the continental US and the Canadian provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan, as well as the countries of Norway and South Korea.

CWD Regulations and Transporting Deer

CWD has been confirmed in the following states: Arkansas, Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.

Texas Deer Hunting Regulations

In Texas, a hunter may skin and quarter a deer into 2 forequarters, 2 hindquarters and 2 backstraps and possess them for transport, provided the quartered deer is tagged and proof of sex accompanies the deer.

Texas hunting regulations also require the head as proof of sex for harvested deer. The regulations state that it is unlawful to possess a deer with proof of sex removed unless the deer is at a final destination and has been quartered. The regulations go on to say that proof of sex for a deer is:

- the head (skinned or unskinned) of a buck deer with antlers attached
- the head (skinned or unskinned) of an antlerless deer
- a completed Managed Lands Deer Permit (MLD), Landowner Assisted Management Permits (LAMPS), or TPWD Drawn Hunt Legal Deer Tag

There are, however, three exceptions to the proof of sex requirement covered in Texas’ hunting regulations. Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) regulations read, “Instead of proof of sex, the hunter may obtain a (1) receipt from a taxidermist or a (2) signed statement from the landowner or the landowner’s agent,” and it was recently published that a (3) CWD receipt from a CWD check station also serves as proof of sex.

Basically, there are a number of ways to meet the proof of sex requirement without having to maintain possession of the head. This allows complete disposal of antlerless/doe heads. For bucks, it also allows hunters to transport antlers with cleaned skull plates in compliance with CWD import rules for their home state.

A Bone to Pick

But what about bone-in fore and hindquarters? At the time of writing, Texas hunting regulations only allow hunters to legally process harvested deer down to 4 quarters and 2 backstraps until the animal reaches its final destination. Period. End of story.

Even in Texas’ 2 CWD zones, where mandatory testing is required on all hunter-harvested deer, hunters are still allowed to transport quarters out to other parts of the state. The problem is that what is legally required in Texas all of a sudden becomes a game violation when those fore and hindquarters are brought into a state that has banned bone-in meat from CWD states.

Most states with CWD carcass restrictions require deboned meat.

Taking Meat Home: Process It

For hunters living in states with cervid carcass import bans, there appears to be only one way to lawfully take boneless venison out of Texas, have your deer processed before bringing it home. There are two options, however, when it comes to processing harvested game. Deer and other cervids must be brought to either (1) a commercial deer processing facility or (2) a “private processing facility.”

A private processing facility is a processing facility that is not available for use by the public. The processing facility must be a stationary facility that is on-site and is designed and constructed to process game animals. There does not appear to be any registration process involved in setting up such a facility, but any place operating as such must meet the requirements previously mentioned and maintain a “Cold Storage or Processing Facility Record Book.”

It would take some resources to put together such a place, even if the site was simply a small building with water, table, grinder and a freezer of some type, but it could be well worth it depending on the number of animals harvested by the hunter or hunters off a property annually.

In closing, to follow the rules of the state you are hunting in as well as that of your home state, you will need to have all deer processed, either by a commercial or private processing facility, before crossing a state line. It appears to be the only legal way.

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See below for Texas official description of the different processing facility options.

Link: Cold Storage, Processing and Taxidermy - tpwd.com

Facilities

A cold storage or processing facility may be established anywhere, including on property where hunting is conducted. It must be stationary and designed to process and/or store wild game. A vehicle, trailer, or other mobile storage or processing arrangement is not lawful.

Commercial Cold Storage or Processing Facility Record Keeping Requirements

A person may place and maintain, or possess, in a cold storage or processing facility, lawfully harvested game birds and game animals not in excess of the number permitted to be possessed by law, if the owner, operator, or lessee of the cold storage or processing facility maintains the record book as required by law with:

- name, address, and hunting license number of all persons placing game animals or game birds in storage (if a person other than the person who harvested the game bird or animal, places a game bird or game animal in storage, that person’s name and address must be included);
- number and species of all game animals and game birds in storage, and
- date each game animal or game bird was placed in storage (information must be entered into the record book before game is placed in storage)

Type 1 Commercial Cold Storage or Processing Facility Requirements

A place of business open to the public for the purpose of storing or processing game animals or game birds upon demand on a for-profit basis or in exchange for anything of value must comply with the record keeping requirements described above, and as follows:

- tags, permits, or WRDs, when applicable, must remain attached to birds until the birds are finally processed;

- tags, permits, or WRDs, when applicable, must remain attached to pronghorn until the carcass is quartered; for deer, tagging and proof of sex requirements cease once the required information detailed above has been entered in the cold storage log, and the county and name of the ranch or property where the deer was harvested has been recorded.

- for deer: tag, or WRD, as applicable, must be retained on the premises for as long as the carcass or any part of the carcass remains in the possession of the cold storage or processing facility.

Type 2 Commercial Cold Storage or Processing Facility on Hunting Lease Requirements

A cold storage facility that is not open to the public on an on-demand basis, and is utilized to store or process game taken by persons on properties where hunting by individuals in return for pay or other consideration occurs (a hunting lease) must comply with the record keeping requirements described above, and as follows:

- For turkey, proof of sex and tagging requirements cease to apply when the turkey has been entered in a cold storage record book.

- Once a deer or pronghorn has been entered in the cold storage record book it may be finally processed.

Proof of sex and tagging requirements continue to apply until the deer or pronghorn has at least been quartered and entered into the record book.

Private, Non-Commercial, Family-Owned Cold Storage or Processing Facility

Except as noted below, a cold storage record book is not required for game animals or game birds placed in a private, family-owned, non-commercial cold storage or processing facility that is not used by paying hunters; however, all tagging and proof of sex requirements apply. At a private, non-commercial facility where a record book meeting the requirements of a commercial cold storage or processing facility is voluntarily maintained, proof of sex and tagging requirements are the same as for a Type 2 commercial facility (described above).

Save your tag and/or permit. After a wildlife resource reaches its final destination and tagging requirements have ceased, the possessor is encouraged to retain tags or permits in order to prevent delay or problems (cold storage or processor refusing to accept meat, etc.). When taking game (meat/ head/hide) that you have processed at home to a commercial processor, simply attach the appropriate hunting license tag or permit to the game.

Taxidermist

Hunters who give any part of a game animal or game bird to a taxidermist for mounting must attach a WRD (not the tag from the hunting license or permit) to the part.

In return, for deer, pronghorn, turkey and pheasant, the taxidermist must give the hunter a receipt as prescribed in Proof of Sex - Exception. The taxidermist “proof of sex” receipt for the part must accompany the tagged carcass until it reaches its final destination and is finally processed. If the taxidermist places any game animal or game bird in cold storage, then the cold storage or processing facility record book is required by law. Without the appropriate record book and a WRD accompanying the game animal or game bird, a taxidermist may be exceeding the prescribed possession limits for game animals and game birds. Taxidermy information packets may be downloaded.

A taxidermist who accepts a deer or turkey shall retain the accompanying WRD or tag for two years following the return of the resource to the owner or the sale of the deer or turkey mount to recover taxidermy cost.

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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
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Did you bother reading the regulations? I live in TX and they clearly state you cannot break a deer down any further than the 4 quarters and backstraps in the field. That is the minimum you must take off a deer but you can also take the neck meat, rib meat, flank meat and shanks but the 4 main quarters and backstraps must be whole. It is NOT legal in TX to completely bone a deer out in the field. That is the law and I seriously doubt an outfitter in TX encouraged you to break the law. Not buying that part of it.

For all you idiots calling the GW a dick, he is enforcing the law. When you hunt in states other than your own (I have held licenses in 13 states) you need to read the regulations for those states. I grew up in CO but when I hunted in WY, MT, UT, OK, TX, CA, AZ, NM etc... I made sure I did things in accordance with the laws in those states and ignorance of the laws will not prevent getting a ticket.
He never said he did it "in the field".

In TX anything besides the final destination or a processing facility is considered in the field. A member posted the regulations. Go read them.


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Originally Posted by MAC
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
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Did you bother reading the regulations? I live in TX and they clearly state you cannot break a deer down any further than the 4 quarters and backstraps in the field. That is the minimum you must take off a deer but you can also take the neck meat, rib meat, flank meat and shanks but the 4 main quarters and backstraps must be whole. It is NOT legal in TX to completely bone a deer out in the field. That is the law and I seriously doubt an outfitter in TX encouraged you to break the law. Not buying that part of it.

For all you idiots calling the GW a dick, he is enforcing the law. When you hunt in states other than your own (I have held licenses in 13 states) you need to read the regulations for those states. I grew up in CO but when I hunted in WY, MT, UT, OK, TX, CA, AZ, NM etc... I made sure I did things in accordance with the laws in those states and ignorance of the laws will not prevent getting a ticket.
He never said he did it "in the field".

In TX anything besides the final destination or a processing facility is considered in the field. A member posted the regulations. Go read them.

After passing along very incorrect info about CWD and how it spreads, it's more than a little ironic that you're so matter-of-factly directing everyone to the official info...

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Originally Posted by clockwork_7mm
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Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
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Did you bother reading the regulations? I live in TX and they clearly state you cannot break a deer down any further than the 4 quarters and backstraps in the field. That is the minimum you must take off a deer but you can also take the neck meat, rib meat, flank meat and shanks but the 4 main quarters and backstraps must be whole. It is NOT legal in TX to completely bone a deer out in the field. That is the law and I seriously doubt an outfitter in TX encouraged you to break the law. Not buying that part of it.

For all you idiots calling the GW a dick, he is enforcing the law. When you hunt in states other than your own (I have held licenses in 13 states) you need to read the regulations for those states. I grew up in CO but when I hunted in WY, MT, UT, OK, TX, CA, AZ, NM etc... I made sure I did things in accordance with the laws in those states and ignorance of the laws will not prevent getting a ticket.
He never said he did it "in the field".

In TX anything besides the final destination or a processing facility is considered in the field. A member posted the regulations. Go read them.

After passing along very incorrect info about CWD and how it spreads, it's more than a little ironic that you're so matter-of-factly directing everyone to the official info...

If CWD in muscle tissue or leg bones was such a concern nobody would allow any game to be transported. Most states understand that it is mostly the spine and brain. And if you think I am wrong about the TX regs, go read them


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Originally Posted by MAC
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by MAC
Did you bother reading the regulations? I live in TX and they clearly state you cannot break a deer down any further than the 4 quarters and backstraps in the field. That is the minimum you must take off a deer but you can also take the neck meat, rib meat, flank meat and shanks but the 4 main quarters and backstraps must be whole. It is NOT legal in TX to completely bone a deer out in the field. That is the law and I seriously doubt an outfitter in TX encouraged you to break the law. Not buying that part of it.

For all you idiots calling the GW a dick, he is enforcing the law. When you hunt in states other than your own (I have held licenses in 13 states) you need to read the regulations for those states. I grew up in CO but when I hunted in WY, MT, UT, OK, TX, CA, AZ, NM etc... I made sure I did things in accordance with the laws in those states and ignorance of the laws will not prevent getting a ticket.
He never said he did it "in the field".

In TX anything besides the final destination or a processing facility is considered in the field. A member posted the regulations. Go read them.
So a family member cannot give me meat to bring home that they process at their place because it isn't at its final destination??

Can't process your deer at another guys place and take it home because it wasn't at its final destination??

I get what the regs say and I know what I would do in the OPs shoes.

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and then you run into the state law that says you can only bring in deer with NO bones.


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and then you run into the state law that says you can only bring in deer with NO bones.
Do those deer read the laws as they wander from one state to another??

Like the geniuses that said no waterfowl can be brought back from Canada?? Do they think those birds aren't going to migrate on their own?


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Originally Posted by MAC
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Originally Posted by MAC
Originally Posted by 10gaugemag
Originally Posted by MAC
Did you bother reading the regulations? I live in TX and they clearly state you cannot break a deer down any further than the 4 quarters and backstraps in the field. That is the minimum you must take off a deer but you can also take the neck meat, rib meat, flank meat and shanks but the 4 main quarters and backstraps must be whole. It is NOT legal in TX to completely bone a deer out in the field. That is the law and I seriously doubt an outfitter in TX encouraged you to break the law. Not buying that part of it.

For all you idiots calling the GW a dick, he is enforcing the law. When you hunt in states other than your own (I have held licenses in 13 states) you need to read the regulations for those states. I grew up in CO but when I hunted in WY, MT, UT, OK, TX, CA, AZ, NM etc... I made sure I did things in accordance with the laws in those states and ignorance of the laws will not prevent getting a ticket.
He never said he did it "in the field".

In TX anything besides the final destination or a processing facility is considered in the field. A member posted the regulations. Go read them.

After passing along very incorrect info about CWD and how it spreads, it's more than a little ironic that you're so matter-of-factly directing everyone to the official info...

If CWD in muscle tissue or leg bones was such a concern nobody would allow any game to be transported. Most states understand that it is mostly the spine and brain. And if you think I am wrong about the TX regs, go read them
I read em.

Have also read Websters dictionary and I know the meaning of in the field.

Game warden just another azzhat flexing his muscles.

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Originally Posted by MAC
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Did you bother reading the regulations? I live in TX and they clearly state you cannot break a deer down any further than the 4 quarters and backstraps in the field. That is the minimum you must take off a deer but you can also take the neck meat, rib meat, flank meat and shanks but the 4 main quarters and backstraps must be whole. It is NOT legal in TX to completely bone a deer out in the field. That is the law and I seriously doubt an outfitter in TX encouraged you to break the law. Not buying that part of it.

For all you idiots calling the GW a dick, he is enforcing the law. When you hunt in states other than your own (I have held licenses in 13 states) you need to read the regulations for those states. I grew up in CO but when I hunted in WY, MT, UT, OK, TX, CA, AZ, NM etc... I made sure I did things in accordance with the laws in those states and ignorance of the laws will not prevent getting a ticket.
He never said he did it "in the field".

In TX anything besides the final destination or a processing facility is considered in the field. A member posted the regulations. Go read them.

After passing along very incorrect info about CWD and how it spreads, it's more than a little ironic that you're so matter-of-factly directing everyone to the official info...

If CWD in muscle tissue or leg bones was such a concern nobody would allow any game to be transported. Most states understand that it is mostly the spine and brain. And if you think I am wrong about the TX regs, go read them

No, it's not mostly in the brain and spine. That simply isn't how CWD works. It's a TSE related to Mad Cow. Do you think people contracted that by eating brain and spine? As far as anyone knows, CWD is not transmissible to humans but it also hasn't been studied long enough to know if there are long-term consequences to consuming infected meat.

Seriously... do even a minimum amount of research before spreading blatantly false information that will end up archived in search engines.

It's transmitted through body fluid -- urine, feces, saliva, blood, birthing matter -- which is why transmission happens most often when animals congregate to feed, drink, or give birth. (This is why it's a concern for elk but not as much as for deer... elk give birth in more isolated settings and aren't typically being artificially fed [corn feeders] in the wild.) The reason there isn't a concern about the disease being spread through de-boned muscle tissue is because that's the part of the carcass least likely to come into contact with another animal and further transmission. If you're traveling with a whole carcass, quarters, or other forms of meat on the bone, you're going to travel with more of the infected animal, process it at your final location, and then discard those extra parts somewhere. It's the discarded parts that biologists are concerned about. The prion involved with CWD is VERY long-lasting... it can sit in soil or on grass (birthing fluid, blood, urine, etc.) for a very long time and be passed from one animal to another that way. It can also be picked up by scavengers, moved, and then brought into contact with other animals actually capable of contracting the disease. This is why biologists put such a big emphasis on how you dispose of carcasses and specifically ask you NOT to leave them exposed in the field. CWD prevention at this point is mostly about keeping distinct populations of deer isolated from each other -- meaning isolated from the prions -- to avoid geographic spread.

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What about the exotic deer species or even hogs? Can they be de-boned and exported via vehicle out of Texas ?


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What about the exotic deer species or even hogs? Can they be de-boned and exported via vehicle out of Texas ?

Non-game animals are not subject to the rule. It was intended long ago to help check for poaching and waste.

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What about the exotic deer species or even hogs? Can they be de-boned and exported via vehicle out of Texas ?

Non-game animals are not subject to the rule. It was intended long ago to help check for poaching and waste.

Yep. Hogs are considered Vermin in TX. Just like Yankee Pollacks from ILLINOIS. 😂😂😂


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So a family member cannot give me meat to bring home that they process at their place because it isn't at its final destination??

Wrong.

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So a family member cannot give me meat to bring home that they process at their place because it isn't at its final destination??

Wrong.
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